QB questions:

1. Who do you want to start next year at QB

2. Who actually starts next year at QB

The only answer is Tanner M, for both. If Tanner had been coached correctly, he would be breaking BYU passing records all over the place.

frdbtr wrote:

The only answer is Tanner M, for both. If Tanner had been coached correctly, he would be breaking BYU passing records all over the place.

THIS IS SO TRUE IT HURTS.

frdbtr wrote:

The only answer is Tanner M, for both. If Tanner had been coached correctly, he would be breaking BYU passing records all over the place.

Global warming is the coaches fault too.



I get coaching needs a lot of help if not changes.



But, Your one hit wonder Schtick is getting old.



I'm sure his depression, anxiety, medication effects, and failed engagement are the coaches fault too.

I'm in total agreement. But it seems a lot of folks feel he is just a little league QB who only beats weaklings. His w-l against good teams isn't great. But BYU's record as a whole against great teams is abysmal.



I'm hoping that unless Beau Hoge or Wilstead or Critchlow are the undisputed better QB heading into next fall, they play Mangum.

SpiffCoug wrote:

The only answer is Tanner M, for both. If Tanner had been coached correctly, he would be breaking BYU passing records all over the place.

THIS IS SO TRUE IT HURTS.

Absolutely. We saw Tanner produce under much better coaching.

Cougs_Rule wrote:

The only answer is Tanner M, for both. If Tanner had been coached correctly, he would be breaking BYU passing records all over the place.

Global warming is the coaches fault too.



I get coaching needs a lot of help if not changes.



But, Your one hit wonder Schtick is getting old.



I'm sure his depression, anxiety, medication effects, and failed engagement are the coaches fault too.

How did Tanner look under the previous coaching staff? How does he look under this coaching staff? How do you explain the difference? How did Taysom Hill look under the previous coaching staff? How did he look last year under the current coaching staff? How did he look playing under his Pro coaching staff? How do you explain the difference? I may be a 1 issue voter right now but there is no other explanation. our coaches have failed badly, and we need a change.

OH SURE GUYS WHATS NEXT BLAMING POOR RECEIVER PLAY ON BEN CAHOON SHEESH Y'ALL CRAZY

Cougs_Rule wrote:

The only answer is Tanner M, for both. If Tanner had been coached correctly, he would be breaking BYU passing records all over the place.

Global warming is the coaches fault too.



I get coaching needs a lot of help if not changes.



But, Your one hit wonder Schtick is getting old.



I'm sure his depression, anxiety, medication effects, and failed engagement are the coaches fault too.

There is some truth to this. The players own some of the responsibility. Coaching is only part of the equation. The whole program must come together. Some of the players have already said as much.



As an aside, global warming is not anthropogenic, and not driven by the small atmospheric CO2 changes of the past 60 years, and not accelerating over the past two centuries, and therefore, is no one's fault. But your reference to it is pithy, and I appreciate the irony.

BOID wrote:

frdbtr wrote:

The only answer is Tanner M, for both. If Tanner had been coached correctly, he would be breaking BYU passing records all over the place.

Global warming is the coaches fault too.



I get coaching needs a lot of help if not changes.



But, Your one hit wonder Schtick is getting old.



I'm sure his depression, anxiety, medication effects, and failed engagement are the coaches fault too.

There is some truth to this. The players own some of the responsibility. Coaching is only part of the equation. The whole program must come together. Some of the players have already said as much.



As an aside, global warming is not anthropogenic, and not driven by the small atmospheric CO2 changes of the past 60 years, and not accelerating over the past two centuries, and therefore, is no one's fault. But your reference to it is pithy, and I appreciate the irony.

Taysom looked better in an offense that was built on improv ... and something for which he was particularly well suited. He didn't look as good last year as he was learning a new system, new reads, etc, was hampered by less mobility, etc. precisely what one would expect.



Tanner looked great in a system he was familiar with and pretty much what he played in high school. He had a year last year with this program, but there are a lot of other issues as well (some stated above). He has been injured this year ... and unless you have been in a position where you tried to play hurt, or tried to come back from a significant injury, it is hard to understand. You go out with a changed attitude/mind-set. There are worries about your injury, is it strong now, will you get re-injured? There comes a time in the game where you essentially set those aside and play, but every time you make a move that has hurt in the past, a doubt flashes across your mind. Some guys are better at overcoming this than others. But any amount of this exacerbates other problems ... playing against teams with much greater speed means timing must be precise on a pass, and if there are doubts about the receivers actually fighting for the ball and running the right routes ... things happen. Etc.



Tanner looked great yesterday ... he was able to have confidence in his team, find a rhythm and play well. He even ran well.



There are a LOT of considerations that we, as fans ... even some knowledgeable fans, just don't understand.

mtnradio wrote:

Cougs_Rule wrote:

The only answer is Tanner M, for both. If Tanner had been coached correctly, he would be breaking BYU passing records all over the place.

Global warming is the coaches fault too.



I get coaching needs a lot of help if not changes.



But, Your one hit wonder Schtick is getting old.



I'm sure his depression, anxiety, medication effects, and failed engagement are the coaches fault too.

There is some truth to this. The players own some of the responsibility. Coaching is only part of the equation. The whole program must come together. Some of the players have already said as much.



As an aside, global warming is not anthropogenic, and not driven by the small atmospheric CO2 changes of the past 60 years, and not accelerating over the past two centuries, and therefore, is no one's fault. But your reference to it is pithy, and I appreciate the irony.

There are a LOT of considerations that we, as fans ... even some knowledgeable fans, just don't understand.

I totally agree. My biggest question is... Do the current coaches understand these things well enough to have it all come together?

Three reasons that contributed to a lot of Tanners success two years ago:

6'4", 6'5", 6'6" experienced dudes. Just chuck it and forget it.

Taysom's passing stats weren't worse last year than Any year before. We know he was never an elite passer.

Why could Tanner not overtake Taysom when there was at least a stated open comp when Ty arrived? The same reason why Beau had more success for one half more than Tanner has in any half prior to SJSU: Tanner is not an elite passer and he doesn't have elite height/talent at WR to cover up his weaknesses. Nor players around him that can make up the difference. Not all Tanners fault, but Ty can't coach a Jr QB who should be an elite passer to not throw it in the dirt, even yesterday several times. He showed improvement vs a very very bad team. I would not say he looked "great."

If nothing else, this whole sale blame of coaches, notwithstanding their deficiencies, dishonors and enables players that should care more about their effort and results.

As I watch the stat line during the early parts of the game, Tanner has great passing stats. 5 for 6 — 4 for 4 etc. Then it seems that his efficiency declines.



Maybe someone with more savvy could justify or denounce my uninformed thoughts.

I thought Marc Lyons made an interesting point yesterday, that Tanner is a 'big play guy' and not a 'consistency guy,' meaning that he's not accurate enough to pull off the small-gain, march-down-the-field plays the coaches have been calling, but when put into situations where he's told to pull out big plays, he finds them and makes them happen often enough to look impressive and win games. I don't know how one measures this attribute, but if true, it means that the coaches have failed to assess the strengths and weaknesses of the quarterback (as we've seen them do with other players) and to make the most of the players we've got rather than trying to push players into their system.



This is one of the biggest concerns I have about this coaching staff (though I'm still in the "give them a little more time" camp), is that they A. don't seem to trust the players, and B. aren't flexible enough to leverage the actual strengths of the team. I don't think BYU is ever going to command the recruits necessary to be competitive with the big boys, so if there's one thing BYU HAS to be good at, it is maximizing the talent that we do have.



Hopefully seeing Tanner shine when allowed to do his thing will be a positive lesson for the coaches moving forward.

Sammich wrote:

I thought Marc Lyons made an interesting point yesterday, that Tanner is a 'big play guy' and not a 'consistency guy,' meaning that he's not accurate enough to pull off the small-gain, march-down-the-field plays the coaches have been calling, but when put into situations where he's told to pull out big plays, he finds them and makes them happen often enough to look impressive and win games. I don't know how one measures this attribute, but if true, it means that the coaches have failed to assess the strengths and weaknesses of the quarterback (as we've seen them do with other players) and to make the most of the players we've got rather than trying to push players into their system.



This is one of the biggest concerns I have about this coaching staff (though I'm still in the "give them a little more time" camp), is that they A. don't seem to trust the players, and B. aren't flexible enough to leverage the actual strengths of the team. I don't think BYU is ever going to command the recruits necessary to be competitive with the big boys, so if there's one thing BYU HAS to be good at, it is maximizing the talent that we do have.



Hopefully seeing Tanner shine when allowed to do his thing will be a positive lesson for the coaches moving forward.

How does this offense work?



1st down = 50 yard pass attempt

2nd down = run

3rd down = 40 yard pass attempt



And so on throughout the game?

BOID wrote:

frdbtr wrote:

The only answer is Tanner M, for both. If Tanner had been coached correctly, he would be breaking BYU passing records all over the place.

Global warming is the coaches fault too.



I get coaching needs a lot of help if not changes.



But, Your one hit wonder Schtick is getting old.



I'm sure his depression, anxiety, medication effects, and failed engagement are the coaches fault too.

There is some truth to this. The players own some of the responsibility. Coaching is only part of the equation. The whole program must come together. Some of the players have already said as much.



As an aside, global warming is not anthropogenic, and not driven by the small atmospheric CO2 changes of the past 60 years, and not accelerating over the past two centuries, and therefore, is no one's fault. But your reference to it is pithy, and I appreciate the irony.

Players play the way they are coached. We learned that from a better coach than we have currently.

Elite 11 co-mvp.

Mars wrote:

OH SURE GUYS WHATS NEXT BLAMING POOR RECEIVER PLAY ON BEN CAHOON SHEESH Y'ALL CRAZY

Wait, so are we saying that coaching matters to player performance? BALDERDASH.



(Tic)

Cougs_Rule wrote:

Three reasons that contributed to a lot of Tanners success two years ago:

6'4", 6'5", 6'6" experienced dudes. Just chuck it and forget it.

Taysom's passing stats weren't worse last year than Any year before. We know he was never an elite passer.

Why could Tanner not overtake Taysom when there was at least a stated open comp when Ty arrived?

I think Taysom would have had a monster year if he was healthy in 2015.

hawkwing wrote:

Elite 11 co-mvp.

Held the accuracy award through the entire camp.