right wing violence

I started the "left wing violence" thread. right wing is just as awful. Fringe groups from both sides are still driving the conversation. Both extremes (antifa vs white supremacists) wouldn't be supported by more than 2-3% of the population. But, just like nazis taking over Germany and bolsheviks taking over Russia (both representing a very small aspect of their respective societies), it's often those that are most committed who get the final say.



Prayers for those who have been elected to have the wisdom of Solomon.

Statement from the Church.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints wrote:

Church Issues Statement on Situation in Charlottesville, Virginia OFFICIAL STATEMENT13 AUGUST 2017 - SALT LAKE CITY

UPDATE: Tuesday, August 15, 2017



The Church has released the following statement:



It has been called to our attention that there are some among the various pro-white and white supremacy communities who assert that the Church is neutral toward or in support of their views. Nothing could be further from the truth. In the New Testament, Jesus said, “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself” (Matthew 22:37-39). The Book of Mormon teaches “all are alike unto God” (2 Nephi 26:33).

White supremacist attitudes are morally wrong and sinful, and we condemn them. Church members who promote or pursue a “white culture” or white supremacy agenda are not in harmony with the teachings of the Church.





Sunday, August 13, 2017



The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints released the following statement Sunday, August 13, 2017:

It is with great sadness and deep concern that we view the violence, conflict and tragedy of recent days in Charlottesville, Virginia. People of any faith, or of no faith at all, should be troubled by the increase of intolerance in both words and actions that we see everywhere.



More than a decade ago, the late Church President Gordon B. Hinckley (1910-2008) addressed the topic of racism when speaking to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He powerfully and clearly taught this principle: "No man who makes disparaging remarks concerning those of another race can consider himself a true disciple of Christ. Nor can he consider himself to be in harmony with the teachings of the Church of Christ." For members of the Church, we reaffirm that teaching today and the Savior's admonition to love our neighbor.



Our prayers are with those who are suffering because of this intolerance and hatred. We pray for peace and for understanding. Above all, we pray that we may treat one another with greater kindness, compassion and goodness.

Source: http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-statement-charlottesville-virginia

All violence is rightfully condemned.



If you are an American and are displaying the Nazi flag and you haven't just won it in the field of battle you are doing it wrong. You do not understand America. Change your thinking or leave the country.



Your race doesn't make you better than another person. Your character as revealed by your actions does that. But even then you are still equal to that person in the eyes of the law and before God.



If you are a neo-Nazi or white supremacist you are an awful human being. If you become violent because of that ideology you are less than human.



There is no place in America for political violence of any kind.

I agree all around. I want smaller less intrusive government which has been called right wing. I want the freedoms enumerated by the Constitution for everybody. I feel a disconnect from these people even though it is said they are right wing.



I don't feel any of this is Mr. Trump's fault. It appears that anything he says or does the haters take the opposite side and condemn him.



I just edited my post in hopes of making my views more clear.

I use this site for getting raw data on terrorist attacks in the US:



http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/wrjp255a.html



It breaks it down by group, which I suppose could be open to interpretation, but I find this very interesting. Here is a breakdown of the three major groups, Islam, Left, and Right, using three different periods (this data is updated through 8/13/17):


Ter List.PNG

First, there's definitely plenty of blame to go around. Second, it dispels the notion that most domestic terrorist attacks are not by Muslims. Even looking at just this decade they have committed the most terrorist acts and killed and injured the most people.

In the end, we need to look at the areas we have the most control over and denounce the violence that hits closest to home.



How many times have we looked at Islamic terrorists and bemoaned the fact that there is little if any Muslim action/statements in denouncing the violence and fighting against it. It would be the worst of hypocrisy if conservatives were not at the forefront denouncing, fighting, and eliminating right wing terrorism and Nazism. It should be clear to the world that Nazi's and the alt-right are not a part of the conservative movement. They are not wanted, welcomed, nor justified in any way. No excuses because of left-wing hate groups or Islamic terrorists, none whatsoever. There are not many sides or parts to it. There's right and there's wrong.



I applaud the Church for it's strong and clear stance on this issue and I wish more groups that are traditionally conservative would echo that.

Statement from the Presidents Bush



https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/897841641360437249

Nazis stating how pleased they were by Trump's under-reactive statements tells Americans all they need to know. Trump is an unmitigated disaster for this nation. The Republican party should be ashamed of themselves.

Mars wrote:

Nazis stating how pleased they were by Trump's under-reactive statements tells Americans all they need to know. Trump is an unmitigated disaster for this nation. The Republican party should be ashamed of themselves.

I agree that both extremist fringes bear responsibility for the escalation in violence. Essentially you have 2 groups, representing an extremely small portion of the American political spectrum, who feel they have the authority to take things into their own hands due to a molehill they perceive as a mountain. I personally believe that the lack of control shown by the left over the last few years(BLM, rioting after election, threatening speakers, etc) has only emboldened the white supremacy movement. I't s like watching 4 year olds crying "it's not fair" or "he did it so why can't I". Basically you have 2 groups with the mental capacity of said 4 year olds and with the attitude that violence is going to get them their way. If you're going to be firm with one of them, you've got to show the same consequences for the other. THAT is what made America great. You don't get to favored due to color of skin, political views, religion, etc. Unfortunately, too often there has been double standards for certain people/groups.

I wonder if there is any similarity to the final destruction of the people in Ether? Everyone wanted their side and revenge. Often the fights were over who should be president, oh I mean king.

Mars wrote:

Nazis stating how pleased they were by Trump's under-reactive statements tells Americans all they need to know. Trump is an unmitigated disaster for this nation. The Republican party should be ashamed of themselves.

I am by no means a big Trump fan, but I think this is a very weak argument. I was also never for the "blame everything on Obama." There are several black groups that have come out in support of Trump's original statement.

Rev. Derek McCoy, executive vice president for the Center of Urban Renewal and Education, was among clergy who said claims by liberals and mainstream media that Trump has fostered a spirit of racism miss the point entirely.



“One thing you need to understand: You are saying that the president is the instigator, and I think that is absolutely wrong. No, it is not disingenuous,” McCoy said.



Some of those who gathered with McCoy at a National Press Club event said the problem is not the president but the media.



“Don’t make our commander in chief a villain when in actuality it is more the villainess (sic) of the media in terms of making something where nothing is,” political activist Corrogan Vaughn said.



Activist Star Parker, who founded CURE, said Trump’s initial statement condemning violence on both ends of the political spectrum was on target.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/black-clergy-activists-defend-trump-castigate-alt-left/

I also thought Obama gave a free pass to criminals and cop-killers, just like Trump is to White supremacists.

Mars wrote:

I also thought Obama gave a free pass to criminals and cop-killers, just like Trump is to White supremacists.

Agreed. Would be nice to see a president lay the smack down, on both sides.

Mars wrote:

I also thought Obama gave a free pass to criminals and cop-killers, just like Trump is to White supremacists.

Explain. Did one of them pardon someone and I missed it?



Just because someone explains the motives of others, like Obama and Trump have done does not mean they are giving them a free pass.



byufan4ever's data should indicate that these things are hardly a blip on the radar, yet the whole country is in an uproar over it. 3 million deaths in the middle east since 1991, and a couple million more before that due to US meddling in the middle east and you hardly hear about it. One death in Missouri or Virginia and there isn't anything else to talk about. It's madness.



We have 10,000 drunk driving death in a year and the only thing anyone says to the perpetrator is come play for our football team even though what you've done puts people at more risk than any jihadi, white supremacist, or occupy wall street thug.



Our world is amazing.

Good article



https://townhall.com/columnists/jonahgoldberg/2017/08/18/altrights-despicability-doesnt-make-antifa-the-good-guys-n2370132

Here's a great Facebook post by Sen. Ben Sasse (R-NE).



https://www.facebook.com/SenatorSasse/posts/1356425404455401

Sorry, but White Supremacists are LEFT not right wing. Charlottesville was not Left vs Right. It was Left vs. Left plain and simple. The Left was great at leading people along in this. Remember when they called the rich white republicans White Nationalist because they were not on board with Globalism and favor national borders. Then they started to call white supremacists white nationalists too. They are not the same. The right has almost no violence on its side. It isn't even close. So please do not say that there is plenty of blame to go around. Most, almost all the blame is on the Left. Because if they don't get their way they riot. And in many cases they riot anyway.

byufan4ever wrote:

I use this site for getting raw data on terrorist attacks in the US:



http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/wrjp255a.html



It breaks it down by group, which I suppose could be open to interpretation, but I find this very interesting. Here is a breakdown of the three major groups, Islam, Left, and Right, using three different periods (this data is updated through 8/13/17):



Ter List.PNG



First, there's definitely plenty of blame to go around. Second, it dispels the notion that most domestic terrorist attacks are not by Muslims. Even looking at just this decade they have committed the most terrorist acts and killed and injured the most people.

Sorry but that is bad data. The KKK is LEFT WING. Lincoln was not shot by a right wing republican. Lincoln was a republican contrary to what most media outlets try to lead people to understand. And all the KKK acts of violence listed in that little graphic and attributed to the Right, again KKK - Military arm of the democrap party (did the p on purpose!). All the civil right violations from years ago were all perpetrated by the Left. The NAACP was founded by republicans. A whole lot of (intentional) mistakes on that report.

BTW NAZIs are Left wing also. Sick of them reporting on "right wing skinheads" or the right wing Nazi party of Hitler. Neither existed because they are both Left wing. (National Socialist German Workers' Party in English). Socialism is a Left wing ideology.

BTW the beltway shooters were Islamic. It also lists a lot of "terrorist attacks thwarted but doesn't attribute them (most were Islamic). So those were not included either.

McVeigh was a communist and I think we know what side they are on (so another 169 moved over to the correct column)

So, if Trump is a neo-Nazi for not directly condemning neo-Nazis and instead generally condemning all associated with violence.....does that make Obama a radical-Islamic-terrorist?

imuakahuku wrote:
The KKK is LEFT WING.

Antifa vs. the KKK is basically the violent arm of the DNC 2017 fighting the violent arm of the DNC from 100+ years ago.