50 years ago today Israel attacked the US Navy and the Pentagon covered it up.

We have no allies in the middle east.



Not Israel, not Saudia, not Turkey. Nobody. Oh, and the pentagon doesn't work for us now any more than it did then.



https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/02/infamy-at-sea-israels-attack-on-the-uss-liberty-50-years-later/

240 years ago Great Britain attacked us. We have no allies from the British Isles. What's the statute of limitations on these things?



It also looks like the SecDef and personal friend of POTUS (Robert McNamara) was similarly not an ally. But then, he seems to have made an entire career out of lying to the American people about the military.

I'll bite. What does Israel do for the US that warrants the animosity of the entire middle east? What was it doing for the US in 1967 to justify the cover up of their attack on the US Navy?

Here's a hint, there's more to the animosity the middle east has for the USA than just support for Israel.



I have no idea why they attacked us in 1967. I have no idea why we covered it up.

SpiffCoug wrote:
Here's a hint, there's more to the animosity the middle east has for the USA than just support for Israel.



I have no idea why they attacked us in 1967. I have no idea why we covered it up.

You didn't address the question. What has Israel ever brought to the US as an ally?



Of course the middle easterners harbor ill will over more than Israel. The US has been orchestrating coups and setting up dictators there since the modern state of Israel came to existence. The US has directly caused the deaths of millions in Iraq and is working with allies throughout the area to cause the deaths of many more from Yemen to Lybia.



Israel attacked the US Navy for one of two reasons. You can go read up on it to see which one is more likely. The important fact is they aren't and never have been an ally. We're only their useful idiots.

And you're sounding like a borderline anti-semite. I'm not going to engage with you further.

jvquarterback wrote:
You can go read up on it to see which one is more likely.

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Speaking non-politically, Israel was founded by God and it's the duty of his people to help protect it and keep it free.

SpiffCoug wrote:
And you're sounding like a borderline anti-semite. I'm not going to engage with you further.

Pathetic. Asking what Israel does for the US as an ally is anti-semitic? You sound like the morons who yell racism so they don't have to answer a question.

Mars wrote:
Speaking non-politically, Israel was founded by God and it's the duty of his people to help protect it and keep it free.

Really? Which prophet anointed Bibi Netanyahu? I must have missed that day of general conference.

jvquarterback wrote:
We have no allies in the middle east.



Not Israel, not Saudia, not Turkey. Nobody. Oh, and the pentagon doesn't work for us now any more than it did then.

It sounds like you need to run for political office so you can fix the U.S. foreign policy.

Curious, which political party will you align with and run with?

Republican. I've been a committeeman for some time. There aren't many republicans who believe Turkey or Saudia are any better than Iran. And while most believe Israel is an ally none of them can explain how Israel benefits the US. A lot of people believe like Mars, that we somehow owe the modern state of Israel something even though many of the guys running it are as bad as King Ahab. Don't get me wrong. The guys running Egypt, Syria, Saudia, Iran, and Iraq are no better, and oftentimes worse, but it is futile to say one side is better than the other or that we have allies over there.

jvquarterback wrote:
Republican. I've been a committeeman for some time. There aren't many republicans who believe Turkey or Saudia are any better than Iran. And while most believe Israel is an ally none of them can explain how Israel benefits the US. A lot of people believe like Mars, that we somehow owe the modern state of Israel something even though many of the guys running it are as bad as King Ahab. Don't get me wrong. The guys running Egypt, Syria, Saudia, Iran, and Iraq are no better, and oftentimes worse, but it is futile to say one side is better than the other or that we have allies over there.

I think you should run for political office. You obviously have a deep interest and a passion. You should start with a local state office, then give the national office a go. It could go surprisingly well.



As for what Israel does for us? It's pretty simple. They have the best intelligence in the Middle East. The historically have shared lots of deep intel on terrorist and Islamic nation activity - and still share with us. Good intelligence is priceless. Both Jordan and Egypt have been very helpful in the intelligence arena also. Israel and Egypt actually work together against terrorism. Both Israel and Egypt intensely dislike the radical jihadi Islamic movements.

Israel's spy network benefits Israel. Which is fine. Israel should defend itself. It is incredibly naive to think the Israelis, Jordanians, Egyptians, Saudis, and Turks aren't manipulating the info to get what they want.



I have no plans for politics. Especially here in the communist state of California.

jvquarterback wrote:
Israel's spy network benefits Israel. Which is fine. Israel should defend itself. It is incredibly naive to think the Israelis, Jordanians, Egyptians, Saudis, and Turks aren't manipulating the info to get what they want.

It's not naive at all to know that Israeli intelligence and U.S. share info in the Middle East, and have for decades. Just because Israel shares info with us, it does not mean we accept it as "gospel" without verifying it. The intelligence world is always skeptical, and has lots of checks and balances. Intelligence analysts don't get 1 piece of unverified information, from 1 source, and "run with it." There are many pieces to the puzzle.



For some unknown reason, you have a real bias against Israel. It doesn't serve you well.

Wrong, I have no bias. That's the point. You and people who think we owe Israel something have a bias in favor of Israel. Even though they've never done anything to help the US. Even most Israelis admit they don't provide the US with anything of value. US support for Israel may not be as despicable as US support for the Saudis, but it hurts the US as much or more. And I have yet to see any evidence that Israel does anything for the US.



Israeli intelligence is used by the Israelis to further enmesh the US in middle east conflict (which benefits Israel but has no effect on US security) we have no business being involved with in the first place (of course, that's no different than Saudi, Jordanian, Egyptian, or Turkish intelligence). How can that be viewed as anything other than self-serving propaganda?

jvquarterback wrote:

You ...... think we owe Israel something ...

Wrong.

jvquarterback wrote:

Israeli intelligence is used by the Israelis to further enmesh the US in middle east conflict (which benefits Israel but has no effect on US security)

Have you actually worked in intelligence? Any personal experience so you know this?

Ddawg wrote:

You ...... think we owe Israel something ...

Wrong.

What percentage people do you think support Israel out of some strange perceived moral obligation like Mars?



What's your reason for supporting $4B of direct military aid to Israel then? Surely you don't think the intelligence is worth that much, let alone the trillions of dollars we've spent directly in a (failed) attempt to make the ME safe for a few million Israelis.

Ddawg wrote:

Israeli intelligence is used by the Israelis to further enmesh the US in middle east conflict (which benefits Israel but has no effect on US security)

Have you actually worked in intelligence? Any personal experience so you know this?

When Israeli generals say, "Israeli intelligence was a full partner to the picture presented by American and British intelligence regarding Iraq's non-conventional capabilities" which included "an exaggerated assessment of Iraqi capabilities" you don't really need any intelligence experience. And you can go read up on how that garbage was used by Israeli prime minsters and defense ministers to get the US to declare war on Iraq, then got upset when that "intelligence" would be questioned by UN weapons inspectors.



And this garbage that you somehow have to have experience as a spy to recognize Shortcomings in US foreign policy is ridiculous. Why don't you just make the best argument advancing your point rather than pretending you know more than others?

jvquarterback wrote:

And this garbage that you somehow have to have experience as a spy .....

It's somewhat funny - if it wasn't such a blatant lie that you posted. It speaks to your integrity - which is severely lacking in this instance. You want to be truthful and honest in your postings? Please do not post lies about me. Refrain from making crap up. I have never said, thought, conveyed, posted, or communicated in any way that I was a spy. That is fabricated crap from your mind. Period.