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The Truth About Ty Detmer

by timmyboy · 1/7/2010

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timmyboy
Some of you may have heard about the legal troubles that Ty Detmer has gotten into here in Texas. Unfortunately, most of the reports I have seen have been less than clear about what is going on. I wanted to clear that up at this point because I think it is casting a lot of doubt on Ty right now.



Ty Detmer has recently worked for a financial services company catering to athletes, called Triton Financial. Triton is under investigation for fraud. The SLTrib has more details on the story: http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_14121042.



Let me make two things clear. First, it is important to note that the SEC has not sued Ty. Rather, Ty is being sued by a group of investors. This is a very relevant difference. Generally speaking, private plaintiffs such as the investors tend to bring in everyone and their dog in a lawsuit before various people who are determined after discovery to have clean hands are dismissed one at a time. On the other hand, the SEC takes the exact opposite approach. The SEC tends to only bring people into its suit as they are determined to have played a role. Although we should always presume innocence (or lack of liability), the fact that only the investors have brought Ty into the lawsuit and not the SEC (the SEC has also sued the main guy at the company) is very important to demonstrate that there is still a very good chance that Ty didn't do anything wrong. If the SEC had brought him in, I would have much greater concern over the likelihood that he was knowingly involved in something shady. Of course, even then he shouldn't be presumed liable.



Second, the SEC has only filed civil charges and has not filed criminal charges. Although criminal charges sometimes come later, this fact is very relevant to the degree of the fraud.



I don't know Ty Detmer, but everything I have read about him indicates that he is a man of character. I, for one, seriously doubt that he was knowingly involved in any fraud. I may be proved wrong, but I think you should all make the same assumption thus far based on the lawsuits and their nature.
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snoscythe
It's worth noting that it is EXTREMELY easy to commit a securities violation without even knowing you are dealing with a security. I don't think any less of Ty for this.



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EM_Puma
snoscythe wrote:
It's worth noting that it is EXTREMELY easy to commit a securities violation without even knowing you are dealing with a security.



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Amen to that

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bball
Thanks for the report timmyboy. Your assessments of the SEC and civil suits is fairly on the mark. I have had some first hand dealings in this area, and ended up having a completely cynical view of both the SEC and civil suits.



For example, Social Security runs a ponzi scheme, it absolutely fits the definition. The feds (Clinton and others before him) spent all of the SS "trust fund" that was supposed to pay for SS payments into the future. But the feds couldn't stand to see that big pot of money sitting there so they spent it, all of it. Now, SS is funded day to day by SSI taxes. As long as there are enough new workers to pay for all the SS liability, everything is fine, but there aren't enough new workers (birth rates have declined for decades), so SS is in a world of hurt. It is a ponzi scheme, and the scheme has failed. If you or I do something like this it is called "securities fraud."



With the economy going in the tank, and real estate values bottoming out (many investments are based on real estate), this same problem arises. What two years ago looked like a very sound and safe investment, can (has) turn against you very quickly, and investors end up losing a lot of money, so they charge you with fraud, or the SEC charges you with security violations, or failing that, they charge you with "racketeering," the catch all charge if they can't charge you with anything else.



We live in a crazy world. The government presumes to "protect" the public against all sorts of things (fraud, crime, fire, unsafe work places, etc.), in reality they protect us against nothing, but if you or I mess up, they have legal standing to go after us. Police don't protect us against crime, they investigate and try to bring to justice guilty parties, but they don't protect. Firemen don't protect us against fires, they come and dump water on the fire and ruin whatever the fire didn't ruin, but they don't protect us. The SEC doesn't protect anyone either, they just go after those whose investments have failed.
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HoosierCougar
One of the problems Triton Financial has is that they deal in professional athletes' money. They have been cited previously for the claims that their clients make publicly about the potential returns available. This also a problem due to the word-of-mouth marketing they do. If an athlete tells a teammate, "You can earn 35% per year by putting your money here." The officers of Triton have little control, but end up with some liability.



I have read multiple articles citing Triton in this arena. Private Capital is a good way to find new and interesting (unintentional) ways to get cross-ways with the SEC.
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Mars
bball wrote:
Firemen don't protect us against fires, they come and dump water on the fire and ruin whatever the fire didn't ruin, but they don't protect us.

To be fair, the smoke usually ruins everything before the fire even gets to it... :whistle:
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texasguy
I know Ty Detmer and his family. He and the other athletes had nothing to do with the wrong doings of the company. Ty is one of the most model citizens you can ask for in todays society. Barton is the snake in the whole operation of Triton. Over time, people will find that is true and give Barton his punishment for ruining peoples lives. Eventhough Ty and the other athletes have done nothing wrong to their knowing, they are going to be tarnished for a long time. In addition, most of the athletes had their most of their money invested in the company as well, so they have lost that too. For an ex-athlete, the most important thing that you have is your reputation...unfortunately, that has been taken as well because of Barton's greed and selfishness.
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CougarClaw
texasguy wrote:
I know Ty Detmer and his family. He and the other athletes had nothing to do with the wrong doings of the company. Ty is one of the most model citizens you can ask for in todays society. Barton is the snake in the whole operation of Triton. Over time, people will find that is true and give Barton his punishment for ruining peoples lives. Eventhough Ty and the other athletes have done nothing wrong to their knowing, they are going to be tarnished for a long time. In addition, most of the athletes had their most of their money invested in the company as well, so they have lost that too. For an ex-athlete, the most important thing that you have is your reputation...unfortunately, that has been taken as well because of Barton's greed and selfishness.


Thanks for the input Ty.



Nice trophies btw...and feel free to post here anytime.
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frdbtr
texasguy wrote:
I know Ty Detmer and his family. He and the other athletes had nothing to do with the wrong doings of the company. Ty is one of the most model citizens you can ask for in todays society. Barton is the snake in the whole operation of Triton. Over time, people will find that is true and give Barton his punishment for ruining peoples lives. Eventhough Ty and the other athletes have done nothing wrong to their knowing, they are going to be tarnished for a long time. In addition, most of the athletes had their most of their money invested in the company as well, so they have lost that too. For an ex-athlete, the most important thing that you have is your reputation...unfortunately, that has been taken as well because of Barton's greed and selfishness.


Can you imagine how cool it would be if this was really Ty Detmer? He would be able to give insight and analysis into what is going on with the offense like no other. If this person knows Ty personally, let him know that none of us would think less of him just because some government entity looked up some stupid excuse to come after him. The worst thing about oppressive governments is they find excuses to turn law abiding citizens into criminals.
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Guest
frdbtr wrote:
I know Ty Detmer and his family. He and the other athletes had nothing to do with the wrong doings of the company. Ty is one of the most model citizens you can ask for in todays society. Barton is the snake in the whole operation of Triton. Over time, people will find that is true and give Barton his punishment for ruining peoples lives. Eventhough Ty and the other athletes have done nothing wrong to their knowing, they are going to be tarnished for a long time. In addition, most of the athletes had their most of their money invested in the company as well, so they have lost that too. For an ex-athlete, the most important thing that you have is your reputation...unfortunately, that has been taken as well because of Barton's greed and selfishness.


Can you imagine how cool it would be if this was really Ty Detmer? He would be able to give insight and analysis into what is going on with the offense like no other. If this person knows Ty personally, let him know that none of us would think less of him just because some government entity looked up some stupid excuse to come after him. The worst thing about oppressive governments is they find excuses to turn law abiding citizens into criminals.


Heck, let Ty Detmer know that he's personally invited by the founder of this website. I'll make him a special user status and everything :evil:
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