Utah State game

Utah State is going to come in with the chip on their shoulders that UVU had and they are going to want to give BYU their absolute best shot, but they are a much better team than UVU.



Does BYU have what it takes to right the ship and not get blown out by a far less talented team?

I really hope we win this game, the conference, and sail into the NCAA tournament and in 10 years when Rose is still coaching we look at the bad bad UVU loss as a minor blip on his HOF career. But if we lose and lose bad again, this could get ugly real fast.

byufan4ever wrote:
I really hope we win this game, the conference, and sail into the NCAA tournament and in 10 years when Rose is still coaching we look at the bad bad UVU loss as a minor blip on his HOF career. But if we lose and lose bad again, this could get ugly real fast.

This is a big chance to see how our team responses to a bad selfish loss. We need to see disciplined shot selection, good help D and hustle on the boards. We have more talent so with that kind of effort we should win, but 'playing the right way' is more important for this team.

hawkwing wrote:
Utah State is going to come in with the chip on their shoulders that UVU had and they are going to want to give BYU their absolute best shot, but they are a much better team than UVU.



Does BYU have what it takes to right the ship and not get blown out by a far less talented team?

Maybe BYU comes in with a chip on their shoulder and blows them out? USU has never shown much ability to beat us outside of Logan. That's why their fans think we should play them there every year.

byufan4ever wrote:
I really hope we win this game, the conference, and sail into the NCAA tournament and in 10 years when Rose is still coaching we look at the bad bad UVU loss as a minor blip on his HOF career. But if we lose and lose bad again, this could get ugly real fast.

BYU always does end up righting the ship. I think that's actually sort of a frustrating thing to the few fans who don't like Rose. They never stay down long enough for it to mean he's ever even close to the hot seat.

Qman wrote:

I really hope we win this game, the conference, and sail into the NCAA tournament and in 10 years when Rose is still coaching we look at the bad bad UVU loss as a minor blip on his HOF career. But if we lose and lose bad again, this could get ugly real fast.

This is a big chance to see how our team responses to a bad selfish loss. We need to see disciplined shot selection, good help D and hustle on the boards. We have more talent so with that kind of effort we should win, but 'playing the right way' is more important for this team.

Selfish play also manifests itself almost all the time on offense, not defense. Defense was where we lost the last game. The offense was reasonably more than enough to win any game.



I think there is a difference between selfish play and players making bad decisions because they really want to win and just do the wrong thing. They overreact on defense and put themselves out of position. They play impatiently on defense and stop trusting what they were taught to do in practice. That was more the problem than selfishness, IMO.

BlueK, you actually just described Defensive selfishness. Not attending to assignments or hustling or losing focus is a lot about selfishness and it could be as easy as wanting to be the first down to score the points.

My biggest complaints about individuals start with--

1.Elijah Bryant's outright selfishness On offense, that hasn't been even remotely earned.

2.Davis' chronic slow start on defense and sporadic D after that, that usually just looks lazy and in-athletic.

3. Emerys indiscrimate shots, even tho he has earned trust last year and proved again why we need him to sometimes be selfish when nothing else is happening.

But still a problem. Particularly ng to own 'this team and squander and quibble with one of his best assists--LJ.





As for USU. I would say they are not a better UVU. And I predict UVU beats Utah and if they play USU, will beat them as well. They may be the best team in the state. Judging them merely by their RPI, which of course would be low based on a lot of bad years, is myopic. This wasn't just a team that got lucky and totally hot. They aren't world beaters but vastly improved over last year.

And maybe they''re greatest asset is their UNSELFISHNESS mixed with a chip on their shoulder.

Cougs_Rule wrote:
BlueK, you actually just described Defensive selfishness. Not attending to assignments or hustling or losing focus is a lot about selfishness and it could be as easy as wanting to be the first down to score the points.

My biggest complaints about individuals start with--

1.Elijah Bryant's outright selfishness On offense, that hasn't been even remotely earned.

2.Davis' chronic slow start on defense and sporadic D after that, that usually just looks lazy and in-athletic.

3. Emerys indiscrimate shots, even tho he has earned trust last year and proved again why we need him to sometimes be selfish when nothing else is happening.

But still a problem. Particularly ng to own 'this team and squander and quibble with one of his best assists--LJ.





As for USU. I would say they are not a better UVU. And I predict UVU beats Utah and if they play USU, will beat them as well. They may be the best team in the state. Judging them merely by their RPI, which of course would be low based on a lot of bad years, is myopic. This wasn't just a team that got lucky and totally hot. They aren't world beaters but vastly improved over last year.

And maybe they''re greatest asset is their UNSELFISHNESS mixed with a chip on their shoulder.

I agree the signs right now are pointing to the idea that UVU may actually be a good team.

Does anyone else see the next team that is "Too Dangerous" for the Utes to play? How much time does Coach K have to exit this one? Does he have enough money?

But are they Michael Jackson Dangerous?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr9uliNQwNA

Nice game. Solid effort, even on defense.

So we played a mentally sloppy game for this first 30 minutes. Then we finally settled down and locked it in on D. Good thing we are more talented than they are. We needed all that talent to out rebound them and finally score inside consistently.



The large number of missed defensive assignments was disheartening. Our hustle on the boards was good to see. This team all needs to undergo hypnosis so they can learn what a good shot is.



I never thought I would say this but Shaw came into the game and changed the momentum. He was quick enough to stay close to Moore and tall enough to challenge his shot. He also had 4 offensive rebounds and several tip-ins. He basically never stopped working on the boards.



Emery and Haws need to reinvent themselves as role players/secondary scorers. They aren't good enough to try to force the action.



Guinn plays with great energy and hustle. He made a positive contribution but if he needs to dribble more than once and make a decision look out. He always going too fast for his ball-handling skills.



LJ Rose again was a calming positive influence. He got several important boards and made sure to get the ball into Mika. The 3's he hit in the 2nd half broke USU's defensive scheme.



Mika struggled with USU's doubling defense and the ticky-tack fouls being called. But he got his rhythm in the second half and started to dominate.



Childs scored some important buckets in the paint, but his lack of experience in guarding out on the perimeter earned him some touch fouls. His rebounding was really important too.



Aytes played a few good minutes, but his lack of length/height really impacts our D.



Beo and Leifson made brief bad cameo's.



I hope all our film study was preparing for USC. Otherwise I expect to lose.

I was impressed with the inside game, obviously because the outside game was so poor, but BYU did a good job of keeping going to the inside rather than just settle for outside shots.



Mika did very well, there was a period of time where he was settling for more difficult outside jumpers but he mostly stayed strong inside through the game.



Defense was improved this game, but it also helped that Utah State wasn't hitting every open shot they had like UVU did.



In the end BYU won easily while not being able to hit a 3 point bucket to save their lives, so that is a positive.

I wasn't able to watch the game and it looks like, from the box score, that Davis didn't play. What was the reason?



Go Cougs!!!

J. Child

Ammon, ID

Injured knee. Not sure how bad it is.

Here's the game PER:


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I said at the beginning of the season that Shaw was my favorite underrated player and look at what he can do! I don't expect him to be an all-conference player, but I like him as a unselfish hard working bench player. You gotta reward players like that!



Season average:


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About the rebounding...it was obviously a major factor in this game, as it was against UVU in a bad way. We got outrebounded by UVU and it killed us in that game. But last night we turned that around by beating them by 24 on the boards. That's an almost unheard of advantage. Talent differences can't explain that by virtue of the fact that UVU is not massively more talented than USU. It was undoubtedly a major point of emphasis in practice this week and the players got the message. Was it a perfect game? Of course not. Is it realistic to expect a perfect performance in every aspect in November from a less experienced team? No. But in general I liked how it turned out last night. The 14 point win against a decent USU team on a neutral floor is a good result, especially considering the last game. Hopefully they build on that. Winning the game and having a little success on something they obviously worked on in practice is the type of reward that can help them realize how they can improve on other things.

byufan4ever wrote:
Here's the game PER:



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I said at the beginning of the season that Shaw was my favorite underrated player and look at what he can do! I don't expect him to be an all-conference player, but I like him as a unselfish hard working bench player. You gotta reward players like that!



Season average:



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Thanks again for posting this. Your key word for Shaw is unselfish. That doesn't always seem to be true for some starting ahead of him. The 3 pt. percentage at 20% should be worked on. If the % is that low they ought to work for better shots. 20% is going to loose some games.

This was a very good to great rebounding effort. We got an offensive rebound on 23 of our 46 missed shots. And we grabbed a defensive rebound on 32 of the Aggies' 37 missed shots.

I watched the game on TV, and decided that the BYU /USU neutral court game may be the best college basketball experience known to man. It was fun seeing and hearing only a small part of the competing student sections trying to outdo each other. I laughed at one point in the second half where I could have sworn I heard Bonney Fuller's tweet come to life - but from the BYU student section. I swore that I heard them chanting "You Are Farmers bombity bombity bom bom bom"