Valpo vs BYU

That was seriously one of the most one sided officiated games I have ever seen. BYU played most of the game without its best players because the Ref's simply fouled them off the court. And after all that, BYU still had a chance to win at the end.

I think it's because they picked up the refs at the closest bar. It's Vegas, the refs had to be drunk before going to the game tonight.

But seriously, I've never seen refs so involved in a game before. Neither team won that game, the refs won that game

Should have won that game by 10+. Was a horrible game and not entertaining at all. BYU had 48 fouls. 48! That's not basketball.

Was it really that high?!?!? Yeah... Those refs need to lose their jobs.

Last couple games, commentators have talked about new emphasis that refs have when it comes to contact. I really don't like it. Way too many fouls called on both teams (amazingly, we actually had two MORE FTs than Valpo). Brings the game tempo down to a crawl too often.



As far as this game is concerned...frustrating loss, but hopefully a good learning experience for the guys. We certainly had our chances. Credit Valpo for exploiting our youth in the second half to keep momentum on their side most of the game after BYU went up early.



I also loved how BYU kept coming back. There were multiple times when Valpo would go on up 6-8 points and it looked like the game was on the cusp of getting out hand. Each time we'd come back and tie it up again.



Can't wait for the next game! It pains me that we couldn't pull this one off, but this is an exciting team to watch with a high ceiling if they keep improving.

new emphasis will turn the ncaa into a pro style game, which is hard to watch. I much prefer hard nose defense ncaa games (and prefer to play in those types of games).

Stat of the game from GWrubell

valpo - 22 points from byu's 13 TOs

byu 11 points from valpos 15 tos.

BroncoBot wrote:
Stat of the game from GWrubell

valpo - 22 points from byu's 13 TOs

byu 11 points from valpos 15 tos.

This is a telling stat. It shows that BYU's talent was sitting on the bench while Valpo's talent was on the floor. If BYU had had Mika, Davies and Childs available during those turnovers, that stat might have looked a bit different. All 3 of those players were off the floor after 5 minutes into the first half and Mika was off the floor another 2 minutes into the second. There were a bunch of ticky tack calls on Mika that were not called on the other end of the floor. I couldn't believe how many times there was a phantom call on BYU on one end during a valpo drive and then BYU's guards get mauled going to the hole on the other end and no whistle. I usually don't blame the refs for a loss but this one was flat out too obvious. I was starting to feel like this was a pac 12 road game.

I don't usually blame the refs for blowing a game, but when I do, it's when they call 48 fouls in one game

Ref's were bad and Valpo is the best team we have played. But in IMO most of the foul trouble was a sign of our inexperience and inability to adjust our play on the fly. Also we had a large number of unforced turnovers. If we played a little more disciplined, then we would have won.



To my recollection 3 of Mika's fouls were stupid over the back plays. Valpo was focused on boxing him out and he didn't adjust. Also he just missed some looks he normally makes around the hoop. Without him we lost our offensive focus.



Rose played a bad game. I don't know why he, Bryant and Emery seemed to break off the offense all the time. Their freelancing was not producing.



Haws was out best player IMO this game. His 3 pt shot was going and he had some great drives. The angles I saw on his technical didn't look like an elbow to me. More like a shoulder bump.



Davis played very good but we needed him to be great and to make a couple of more plays.



Guinn gave us some positive energy an his some open 3's.



Aytes was okay while Mika was in foul trouble. Dastrup even provided some energy off the bench.



This team needs to reign in all the crazy shots and drives. Run the offense through the post and hit our open 3 point shooters. Hopefully we can figure it out.

Granted we dealt with a ton of foul trouble, but we were soft on the defensive glass. We gave up 13 offensive rebounds tied a season high allowed (w/ Coastal Carolina) and our 26 defensive rebounds were a season low (previous low was 38).

Qman wrote:
Haws was out best player IMO this game. His 3 pt shot was going and he had some great drives. The angles I saw on his technical didn't look like an elbow to me. More like a shoulder bump.

If I'm not mistaken, it was the ball to the face that got him the technical. Haws totally lost his cool there. The extended break in the action while they looked at the video was a blessing in disguise, though, that game was on the brink of getting out of hand.

SpiffCoug wrote:
Granted we dealt with a ton of foul trouble, but we were soft on the defensive glass. We gave up 13 offensive rebounds tied a season high allowed (w/ Coastal Carolina) and our 26 defensive rebounds were a season low (previous low was 38).

Again, a stat that would have been different if the ref's hadn't benched all our bigs 5 minutes into the first half.

frdbtr wrote:

Granted we dealt with a ton of foul trouble, but we were soft on the defensive glass. We gave up 13 offensive rebounds tied a season high allowed (w/ Coastal Carolina) and our 26 defensive rebounds were a season low (previous low was 38).

Again, a stat that would have been different if the ref's hadn't benched all our bigs 5 minutes into the first half.

Maybe. Maybe not. We did not have good effort in rebounding by anyone.



The bigs who did play didn't rebound well. Rebounding is largely about effort. We didn't get after it.



Davis played 28 minutes and had 0 offensive and 3 defensive rebounds. That's a poor defensive rebounding effort.



Mika played 19 minutes and had 1 offensive rebound and 2 defensive rebounds. That's a poor defensive rebounding effort



Dastrup played 8 minutes and had 2 offensive and 1 defensive rebound. That's a poor defensive rebounding effort



Aytes played 10 minutes and had 1 offensive and ZERO defensive rebounds. That's a poor defensive rebounding effort.



Childs played 11 minutes and had 0 offensive and two defensive rebounds. That's a slightly below average defensive rebounding effort from him (he'd been averaging one rebound every 3 minutes).



Shaw played 4 minutes and had 1 offensive and 1 defensive rebound. That's a pretty good defensive rebounding effort.



Even when Mika did play, he didn't rebound well. Again, he had just two defensive rebounds in his 19 minutes. That's a poor rate.



He had 9 defensive rebounds in 19 minutes vs St. Louis.

He had 9 defensive rebounds in 25 minutes vs Coastal Carolina.

He had 3 defensive rebounds in 15 minutes vs Coppin St.

He had 9 defensive rebounds in 34 minutes vs Princeton.



Before last night he had 30 defensive rebounds in 93 minutes. That's one every three minutes. He had one every nearly 10 minutes last night.

This team shows tons of reasons to be excited for what's to come, but I would have loved to see us pull out a W. Re Haws: it was frustrating I'm sure, but I hope we see no more of any BYU player letting frustration get to him to the point of throwing an elbow or ball in the face.

SpiffCoug wrote:

SpiffCoug wrote:
Granted we dealt with a ton of foul trouble, but we were soft on the defensive glass. We gave up 13 offensive rebounds tied a season high allowed (w/ Coastal Carolina) and our 26 defensive rebounds were a season low (previous low was 38).

Again, a stat that would have been different if the ref's hadn't benched all our bigs 5 minutes into the first half.

Maybe. Maybe not. We did not have good effort in rebounding by anyone.



The bigs who did play didn't rebound well. Rebounding is largely about effort. We didn't get after it.



Davis played 28 minutes and had 0 offensive and 3 defensive rebounds. That's a poor defensive rebounding effort.



Mika played 19 minutes and had 1 offensive rebound and 2 defensive rebounds. That's a poor defensive rebounding effort



Dastrup played 8 minutes and had 2 offensive and 1 defensive rebound. That's a poor defensive rebounding effort



Aytes played 10 minutes and had 1 offensive and ZERO defensive rebounds. That's a poor defensive rebounding effort.



Childs played 11 minutes and had 0 offensive and two defensive rebounds. That's a slightly below average defensive rebounding effort from him (he'd been averaging one rebound every 3 minutes).



Shaw played 4 minutes and had 1 offensive and 1 defensive rebound. That's a pretty good defensive rebounding effort.



Even when Mika did play, he didn't rebound well. Again, he had just two defensive rebounds in his 19 minutes. That's a poor rate.



He had 9 defensive rebounds in 19 minutes vs St. Louis.

He had 9 defensive rebounds in 25 minutes vs Coastal Carolina.

He had 3 defensive rebounds in 15 minutes vs Coppin St.

He had 9 defensive rebounds in 34 minutes vs Princeton.



Before last night he had 30 defensive rebounds in 93 minutes. That's one every three minutes. He had one every nearly 10 minutes last night.

They were in foul trouble. They had been called for ticky tack fouls all night long. When you say they had a poor rebounding effort, it may have looked that way but when you are trying to stay on the floor, you aren't going to crash the glass as hard to try to keep from fouling out. Mika got called for over the back calls at least twice if I remember, that is not a lack of effort foul.

frdbtr wrote:

frdbtr wrote:

Granted we dealt with a ton of foul trouble, but we were soft on the defensive glass. We gave up 13 offensive rebounds tied a season high allowed (w/ Coastal Carolina) and our 26 defensive rebounds were a season low (previous low was 38).

Again, a stat that would have been different if the ref's hadn't benched all our bigs 5 minutes into the first half.

Maybe. Maybe not. We did not have good effort in rebounding by anyone.



The bigs who did play didn't rebound well. Rebounding is largely about effort. We didn't get after it.



Davis played 28 minutes and had 0 offensive and 3 defensive rebounds. That's a poor defensive rebounding effort.



Mika played 19 minutes and had 1 offensive rebound and 2 defensive rebounds. That's a poor defensive rebounding effort



Dastrup played 8 minutes and had 2 offensive and 1 defensive rebound. That's a poor defensive rebounding effort



Aytes played 10 minutes and had 1 offensive and ZERO defensive rebounds. That's a poor defensive rebounding effort.



Childs played 11 minutes and had 0 offensive and two defensive rebounds. That's a slightly below average defensive rebounding effort from him (he'd been averaging one rebound every 3 minutes).



Shaw played 4 minutes and had 1 offensive and 1 defensive rebound. That's a pretty good defensive rebounding effort.



Even when Mika did play, he didn't rebound well. Again, he had just two defensive rebounds in his 19 minutes. That's a poor rate.



He had 9 defensive rebounds in 19 minutes vs St. Louis.

He had 9 defensive rebounds in 25 minutes vs Coastal Carolina.

He had 3 defensive rebounds in 15 minutes vs Coppin St.

He had 9 defensive rebounds in 34 minutes vs Princeton.



Before last night he had 30 defensive rebounds in 93 minutes. That's one every three minutes. He had one every nearly 10 minutes last night.

They were in foul trouble. They had been called for ticky tack fouls all night long. When you say they had a poor rebounding effort, it may have looked that way but when you are trying to stay on the floor, you aren't going to crash the glass as hard to try to keep from fouling out. Mika got called for over the back calls at least twice if I remember, that is not a lack of effort foul.

Both of those were on offensive not defensive rebounding attempts. I think both can be true. BYU was soft on the glass. We didn't work hard to get in good rebounding position and we didn't adjust to how the refs were officiating.



And the refs had a very poor effort as well, both teams were called for multiple fouls when they failed to contact an opponent, but a ref, from 30 feet away, was able to see through four players and "see" this contact.

Suggesting that BYU needed to "adjust" to the style of reffing is at best a conventional but unrealistic feat with this set of refs. Horribly inconsistent. They refused to call like-kind fouls on their star player.

And when you think about it, BYU did just that--they adjusted to crap calls that took them out of the game and were tentative on rebounding the rest of the game.

Pretty simple analysis. Something computers and computer geeks can't contextualize. :-)

They did need to adjust. They needed to quit jumping over the back for rebounds. What they needed to do was work harder to get in better position so that when the shot was missed they were between the rim and the opponent. Instead, BYU decided to not stop jumping over the back, but apparently stop fighting for good rebounding position as well.