Jason Buck has opinions

Jason Buck wrote:
Nobody loves BYU more than I do, but man, I’ve never liked independence. I thought it hurts us in multiple ways and we’re always better off being in a conference. I use the example of Boise State and they have been to three Fiesta Bowls in the last 10-12 years. And we’ve been to zero.

Other highlights from the two different articles:



- He thinks BYU needs to go back to the MWC if the Big XII doesn't take BYU

- He thinks BSU stole our business model and mantle

- He thinks they need to both (a) expand the stadium, and (b) sell it out more.

- He wants to be a collegiate coach.





http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865664016/Brad-Rock-Jason-Buck-to-BYU-Go-back-to-the-MWC.html



http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865664048/Rockmonster-Unplugged-Jason-Buck-on-growing-through-change-hint-hint-BYU.html?pg=all

I have opinions too, but nobody cares.

He is dead wrong about the MWC. I would rather go to the American Conference. We should never go back to the MWC for any reason.

frdbtr wrote:
He is dead wrong about the MWC. I would rather go to the American Conference. We should never go back to the MWC for any reason.

Amen.....and Amen!!

He's wrong about the MWC.



He's wrong about BYU.



He's actually also wrong about expanding the stadium. They should actually put in bigger more comfortable seating and reduce capacity.

snoscythe wrote:

Nobody loves BYU more than I do, but man, I’ve never liked independence. I thought it hurts us in multiple ways and we’re always better off being in a conference. I use the example of Boise State and they have been to three Fiesta Bowls in the last 10-12 years. And we’ve been to zero.

Other highlights from the two different articles:



- He thinks BYU needs to go back to the MWC if the Big XII doesn't take BYU

- He thinks BSU stole our business model and mantle

- He thinks they need to both (a) expand the stadium, and (b) sell it out more.

- He wants to be a collegiate coach.





http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865664016/Brad-Rock-Jason-Buck-to-BYU-Go-back-to-the-MWC.html



http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865664048/Rockmonster-Unplugged-Jason-Buck-on-growing-through-change-hint-hint-BYU.html?pg=all

Going back to the MWC is a self-evidently absurd.



He does have a point about Boise State taking our place.

MWC is a non-starter. Although our ability to get into an NY6 game would go up, BYU would not likely continue to be recognized as a "P5" opponent by the B1G, SEC, and ACC.



And, the MWC schedule would destroy the nationwide fan access that has increased tremendously the past several years.

I disagree on Boise State taking BYU's place. Other conferences have not considered Boise State a P-5 equivalent in their non-conference scheduling. Have they had some good years? Sure. Have they won a national championship? Nope. Have they won a Heisman? Nope. We beat Oklahoma too...during the regular season. I am not trying to be arrogant about it, but they are not close to where BYU is.



Actually, I take that back. They were where BYU was when BYU had not yet established its long term legacy...pre-national championship, Heisman, etc. They have had some nice wins as an up and comer. Think BYU around 1980-82.

I would like to see BYU replace FCS payday home games with FBS payday home games. And, even get TWO payday games to get seven home games each year.



That is what the big-time programs do.



And, to enable BYU to get an easier opponent in the first couple of games but still have the chance to play quality P5 opponents, I'd like to see BYU play Hawaii or one of Hawaii's opponent's each year...then use the Hawaii exemption every year to get a Week 0 game in late August.



An easier opponent in the first couple of games would help the team workout some of the kinks and to pad the early-season win-loss record.



This is what the big-time programs do.



Attendance in late August for an easier opponent will be better than attendance for the same game in November. The weather in Provo is so much nicer. And fans will be excited to see the team play at the beginning of the new season.

Cougarfan87 wrote:
I disagree on Boise State taking BYU's place. Other conferences have not considered Boise State a P-5 equivalent in their non-conference scheduling. Have they had some good years? Sure. Have they won a national championship? Nope. Have they won a Heisman? Nope. We beat Oklahoma too...during the regular season. I am not trying to be arrogant about it, but they are not close to where BYU is.



Actually, I take that back. They were where BYU was when BYU had not yet established its long term legacy...pre-national championship, Heisman, etc. They have had some nice wins as an up and comer. Think BYU around 1980-82.

There are differences for sure, but Boise St. finishes in the rankings more often than not - even better than BYU did in the '80's, '90's, and first decade this century with WAC and MWC schedules.



From 1980 to 2010, BYU finished in the top 25 15 times. That equates to every other year.



Since 2000, Boise State has finished in the top 25 10 times, and is currently ranked this season. That equates to about twice in 3 years against WAC and MWC schedules.



The Bowl Alliance and BCS did not consider BYU a peer., much like the P5 does not consider Boise St. a peer. The key difference right *now* is that BYU has a much better P5-like perception than Boise St. - but that doesn't help in the rankings if you're not winning.



If BYU wants to get back to consistent top-25 finishes, the MWC would certainly be a much easier way to achieve that - at the expense of the P5-like perception and the better regular season schedules.

Would you rather hover around being ranked 25th and being known as a G5 school or hover around being ranked 35 and be known as a P5 school?

Probably doesn't matter.

snoscythe wrote:

Nobody loves BYU more than I do, but man, I’ve never liked independence. I thought it hurts us in multiple ways and we’re always better off being in a conference. I use the example of Boise State and they have been to three Fiesta Bowls in the last 10-12 years. And we’ve been to zero.

Other highlights from the two different articles:



- He thinks BYU needs to go back to the MWC if the Big XII doesn't take BYU

- He thinks BSU stole our business model and mantle

- He thinks they need to both (a) expand the stadium, and (b) sell it out more.

- He wants to be a collegiate coach.





http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865664016/Brad-Rock-Jason-Buck-to-BYU-Go-back-to-the-MWC.html



http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865664048/Rockmonster-Unplugged-Jason-Buck-on-growing-through-change-hint-hint-BYU.html?pg=all

I think he would make a good defensive line coach or DC but the other 3 highlights listed are wishful thinking.



BYU will never go back to the MWC not after the way the MWC commissioner and the MWC TV (Comcast) treated them.



Boise St. didn't steal a thing and if they did then it is a complement to BYU for having such a good business model an BYU still wears their mantle.



The Stadium is just fine the way it is and BYU does sell it out quite a lot but could do better there but the team has to play better for that to happen.



I would rather have BYU stay Independent than have them go massively backwards by going back to the MWC and despite what Iowa St., Kansas St., and Kansas say BYU is going to be invited the Big XII as they are the top program that isn't in a conference that the big XII can invite and would look like idiots if they don't.

BSU made it to the Fiesta Bowl, etc. under a different environment. BSU will likely never sniff a NY6 bowl again.



Under the current environment being independent gives us a better chance at an NY6 bowl or playoffs than joining the MWC or any other G5 conference. Being independent gives us the best chance of joining a P5 conference and gets us more money.



I'm not the biggest fan of independence, but should BYU decide to go to a G5 conference we're basically giving up on the idea of playing at a national level.



BYU should absolutely NOT expand the stadium.



BYU is certainly floundering in mediocrity. Apathy is taking its toll on the fan base. Win, though, and that all goes away. Give the new regime a few more seasons. If we don't get to an NY6 bowl or join a P5 conference within the next 3 years, start looking for a conference.

Gunk wrote:
BSU made it to the Fiesta Bowl, etc. under a different environment. BSU will likely never sniff a NY6 bowl again.



Under the current environment being independent gives us a better chance at an NY6 bowl or playoffs than joining the MWC or any other G5 conference. Being independent gives us the best chance of joining a P5 conference and gets us more money.



I'm not the biggest fan of independence, but should BYU decide to go to a G5 conference we're basically giving up on the idea of playing at a national level.



BYU should absolutely NOT expand the stadium.



BYU is certainly floundering in mediocrity. Apathy is taking its toll on the fan base. Win, though, and that all goes away. Give the new regime a few more seasons. If we don't get to an NY6 bowl or join a P5 conference within the next 3 years, start looking for a conference.

Boise played in the Fiesta Bowl under the BCS system and the current system. Remember, the highest ranked G5 champ automatically gets a NY6 invite. Boise has a much better chance of playing in another NY6 bowl than we do. The best we can hope for as an independent is an at large berth which is a much higher bar.

Gunk wrote:
BSU made it to the Fiesta Bowl, etc. under a different environment. BSU will likely never sniff a NY6 bowl again.



Under the current environment being independent gives us a better chance at an NY6 bowl or playoffs than joining the MWC or any other G5 conference. Being independent gives us the best chance of joining a P5 conference and gets us more money.

I'm not advocating a return to the MWC, but Boise St's access to the NY6 is MUCH greater than BYU's. Boise St. played in the Fiesta Bowl just two seasons ago under the CURRENT system, BECAUSE they were the highest ranked G5 champion. Boise St. was ranked #20 before the bowl selections. THAT ranking got Boise St. into the Fiesta Bowl against #10 Arizona.



It's called the G5 "ACCESS" bowl bid for a reason.



BYU's *only* access to the NY6 is as an at large team - which means BYU must be in the top 5-10 rankings, depending on which bowls are hosting the CFP semi-finals and how the other top teams are ranked.



FWIW, Boise St. actually still has a decent shot at the NY6 Cotton Bowl this year (which will host the G5 access champion) - Boise St. is currently ranked #19. Houston is ranked #6, so there is a ways to go, but if Boise St. keeps winning (even against a lackluster MWC lineup) they will continue to rise. It's possible that Boise St. and Air Force are both undefeated when they meet over Thanksgiving weekend - a win there could propel Boise St. into the top-10. If Houston loses an AAC game (they did last year) or to Louisville, they will fall.

Gunk wrote:
I'm not the biggest fan of independence, but should BYU decide to go to a G5 conference we're basically giving up on the idea of playing at a national level.



BYU should absolutely NOT expand the stadium.



BYU is certainly floundering in mediocrity. Apathy is taking its toll on the fan base.

There are a lot of complaining voices right now on message boards, but I don't see much apathy. The stadium atmosphere was pretty good last Friday and 62K+ attendance to watch a 1-3 team for an 8:30pm kickoff that didn't finish until after midnight.

Gunk wrote:
Win, though, and that all goes away. Give the new regime a few more seasons. If we don't get to an NY6 bowl or join a P5 conference within the next 3 years, start looking for a conference.

There are other options other than NY6 and P5 or bust (G5 conference).



If BYU can continue to get good attendance at neutral site and road games and earn bowl eligibility against tougher schedules, BYU will continue to get good opponents on the schedule AND BYU's bowl options will improve.



As is, future schedules look nice for BYU and there's a pretty good shot that BYU will have better bowl options when the current bowl contracts are up (after the 2019 bowl season).



The Las Vegas Bowl wants BYU and I'm certain the Cactus Bowl noted the attendance at the Arizona-BYU game. And, if BYU has a ranked season, we will be matched with a comparable bowl opponent.



And, our bowls haven't been bad. In 2013, we were 8-4 and played an 8-4 PAC school in San Francisco (Washington finished at #25 ranking). In 2014, we were 8-4 and got a 9-3 Memphis team in Miami (Memphis finished at #25 ranking). Last year, we were 9-3 and got our rival, a ranked 9-3 PAC school, in Las Vegas (Utah finished at #17 ranking).

Who cares about the NY6 bowls now that there's a playoff?

hawkwing wrote:
Who cares about the NY6 bowls now that there's a playoff?

Given the way we recruit and schedule playoffs are irrelevant to us.