What is Your Plan?

There has been a lot of spirited discussion in the "CC" Lounge over the current presidential candidates. Who has what qualities and who to support and ultimately both for on Tuesday, November 8, 2016. The day of decision.



It's no secret, I do not support Hillary Clinton. I firmly believe she is the most deceitful and dishonest person to ever run for president. That is saying something because I consider Barack Obama a very dishonest and manipulating socialist. Hillary is worse.



That said, here's a question for all you anti-Trump folks. Exactly what is your plan to keep Hillary out of the White House? Because you dislike Trump's arrogance so much, you are willing to cede the White House to a proven dishonest scoundrel that will place her own political interests above the USA?



With Hillary you get -

1. Disastrous open borders and floods of illegal immigrants - guaranteed. Hillary will do everything she can to legalize 20+ million illegals and give them the vote. Once that happens, the GOP will never elect another Republican to the White House in out lifetime. The Senate and House are gone - guaranteed.

2. No economic plan to shake the U.S. economy out of it's current Obama malaise. 4 more years of borrowing, printing, more regulation, higher taxes, more re-distribution of wealth.

3. More disastrous foreign policy. Everything Hillary and Obama touched on foreign policy is a disaster.

4. The SCOTUS will have 1-3 more liberal justices - guaranteed.

5. The Federal Appeals Courts will continue their march to total liberal control under Hillary - guaranteed.



So - like him or not - Trump is the final "firewall" to stop Hillary. Period. No other option. You can repeat all the liberal Dem talking points you want. But, what is your plan to stop evil Hillary?

The cure is worse than the disease.

Hillary will win no matter what any of us plot or plan.

I am voting in Alabama. Alabama, as a whole, will send its electoral votes to Trump. It won't matter who I vote for, Trump is getting Alabama's vote. I may be writing my own name in, I may be voting for Gary Johnson, or I may be voting for the Constitutional candidate. I'm not sure yet. But I know Hillary won't be getting Alabama's vote. And Trump won't be getting my vote. Maybe it takes the loss for parties to start realizing they need to listen to their base a little more and stop being conservatives in name only.

Vote strong republican majorities in both houses of Congress. They will check or gridlock HRC. That is a better option to my mind than electing a man who Robert Gates says is unfit and unqualified to be commander in chief.

My plan is to eat LOTs of bacon. Or should I say LOTS AND LOTS ANS LOTS of bacon.... and buy a motorcycle - so when the nation goes to pot, I'll be happily long gone.

Congress can not completely stop HRC on all 5 of those points.

scott715 wrote:
Congress can not completely stop HRC on all 5 of those points.

Understood. It is the best of a horrible situation in my estimation.

ABYUFAN wrote:
My plan is to eat LOTs of bacon. Or should I say LOTS AND LOTS ANS LOTS of bacon.... and buy a motorcycle - so when the nation goes to pot, I'll be happily long gone.

Haha! If you will only promise that for the rest of us, I will write you in!

BoiseBYU wrote:

My plan is to eat LOTs of bacon. Or should I say LOTS AND LOTS ANS LOTS of bacon.... and buy a motorcycle - so when the nation goes to pot, I'll be happily long gone.

Haha! If you will only promise that for the rest of us, I will write you in!

I'm thinking that after the election will be a good time to buy a Hayabussa. I mean, I just took a beginners motorcycle class... so I'll pretty much be gone before January anyway right?

I will say my current plan is either to write in Mitt Romney or to vote for Evan McMullin. I have made a decision in my life that I will only vote for candidates that I believe are honest, have integrity, and will serve the country to the best of their abilities. I may not agree with every policy decision they make, but I need to believe in their hearts.

I'm in Colorado. Swing state. Conscience won't let me write in or vote for anyone but Trump unless they have a legit shot at beating Hillary.



I'm in lockstep with Ddawg. Anything to keep Hillary out.



BoiseBYU, your same logic applies to Trump. If the House and senate have republican majority, then they'll be able to contain Trump to a degree. You do know that quite a few people have called HRC unfit for president?



Executive branch has too much power. the next president should simply veto/sign laws and golf a lot. HRC and Trump will both do/say dumb things. I think more liberties are in jeopardy with HRC. Trump gets my vote based on that.

With Hillary you get -

1. Disastrous open borders and floods of illegal immigrants - guaranteed. Hillary will do everything she can to legalize 20+ million illegals and give them the vote. Once that happens, the GOP will never elect another Republican to the White House in out lifetime. The Senate and House are gone - guaranteed.

2. No economic plan to shake the U.S. economy out of it's current Obama malaise. 4 more years of borrowing, printing, more regulation, higher taxes, more re-distribution of wealth.

3. More disastrous foreign policy. Everything Hillary and Obama touched on foreign policy is a disaster.

4. The SCOTUS will have 1-3 more liberal justices - guaranteed.

5. The Federal Appeals Courts will continue their march to total liberal control under Hillary - guaranteed.



So - like him or not - Trump is the final "firewall" to stop Hillary. Period. No other option. You can repeat all the liberal Dem talking points you want. But, what is your plan to stop evil Hillary?[/quote]



In addition to these 5 points she will seriously attack the first amendment. I don't think she likes Christian religion and may demand the churches have a quota of non heterosexual clergy. Attacks on free speech have already begun and I think she will continue this.



She will attack the second amendment which has been weakened and she will try to finish the job.



Even if she isn't worse than Obama she will continue what he's done and take the things enumerated and others as well, down the road to despotism.



I wish the republicans in the house and senate would have worked against Obama more than they did but they didn't and unless they have a change of heart I don't see them confronting her.



Every candidate has flaws but Trump is the only one with a chance to beat her. There were some local people that attended a small gathering with Trump. I don't remember all that I heard but he admitted that he was reactionary in some of the things he said. He also said he worked to have good people around him.

BroncoBot wrote:



Executive branch has too much power. the next president should simply veto/sign laws and golf a lot. HRC and Trump will both do/say dumb things. I think more liberties are in jeopardy with HRC. Trump gets my vote based on that.

I actually think Trump is looking for unlimited power, where Hillary would at least try to get the congress to go along with her. If they're controlled by the dems the result is the same. I realize that. But if the executive branch having too much power is your concern, Trump should also concern you greatly based on things he has said. There is a reason he praises "strong leaders" like Putin, Kim Yung Un and the Chinese response to Tianamen Square. It's because he believes more in dictatorship than Constitutional government. He talks as though the president can and should do anything he wants: only he can solve all our problems and make all our dreams come true. He talks in the same terms rising dictators throughout history always have. Should we really pretend he's "just kidding" about some of the crazier things he's said?

Trump has no idea on how to be president and that is a good thing. If elected nothing will happen for six months as he tries to figure out what he can do.

scott715 wrote:
Trump has no idea on how to be president and that is a good thing. If elected nothing will happen for six months as he tries to figure out what he can do.

This is a hopeful idea. The problem is does it really match his personality? Everything he does and says seems to say he thinks he knows more than he does: "I know more about ISIS than the generals do." Uh, no he doesn't. It seems to me a lot rationalize their vote for him on the belief that he doesn't really mean half the stuff he says. Ok, but if he really is as black and white and simplistic as he comes across and acts as president exactly how he says he will? That's pretty scary to me.

BlueK wrote:

Executive branch has too much power. the next president should simply veto/sign laws and golf a lot. HRC and Trump will both do/say dumb things. I think more liberties are in jeopardy with HRC. Trump gets my vote based on that.

I actually think Trump is looking for unlimited power, where Hillary would at least try to get the congress to go along with her. If they're controlled by the dems the result is the same. I realize that. But if the executive branch having too much power is your concern, Trump should also concern you greatly based on things he has said. There is a reason he praises "strong leaders" like Putin, Kim Yung Un and the Chinese response to Tianamen Square. It's because he believes more in dictatorship than Constitutional government. He talks as though the president can and should do anything he wants: only he can solve all our problems and make all our dreams come true. He talks in the same terms rising dictators throughout history always have. Should we really pretend he's "just kidding" about some of the crazier things he's said?

I'm more concerned with what Hillary has DONE and said than what the bag of hot air has simply said. Hillary is just as power hungry and i suppose if i had to have one rule the world it would be trump. wow, what a scary thought.

BlueK wrote:

Trump -- "I know more about ISIS than the generals do."

This is one of the few things Trump says right. He's far better on foreign policy than Clinton. These generals created ISIS along with Hillary Clinton. Trump should never have backed down from his statement that Clinton and Bush policies (pushed by those generals) have led to the disaster we have now in the middle east.

I doubt that Trump could even find Iraq or Afghanistan on a map. His knowledge of foreign policy is laughable, at best.

Mars wrote:
I doubt that Trump could even find Iraq or Afghanistan on a map. His knowledge of foreign policy is laughable, at best.

I would bet you $10,000 Trump knows exactly where Iraq and Afghanistan are on a map.