utah's last drive

Here's a thought for all of you that want Taysom replaced as our starting QB. If BYU's defense doesn't allow an 18 play 11 minute drive that put the utes up 20-13 and Taysom drives down the field, runs in for the TD and BYU wins 20-17, how many of you would still be calling for his benching? Would he then be the hero for 2 game winning drives in the 4th quarter this year?

good point.

It was a huge mistake not to go for it on 4th and 3.

Also, the only reason we even had a chance at the end is because Kyle didn't go for it on fourth and inches. Not that I blame him, necessarily, but I am pretty sure he would have picked up those inches the way the refs were marking the ball. If that happens, we don't even get the thrilling ending...up until the 2 pt try. It was a well fought game against a team that plays great defense. No one should be hanging their heads. We just didn't make enough plays to win, and they did. But we were in it to win it. I would have rather gone for the extra point and played in overtime, but even that does not guarantee a win. A lot of people agree with Sitake that you go for the win on the road. Considering we didn't have two safeties and our RB, I think that was probably BYU's best chance. It comes down to execution, and the line just did not execute that play. Let's not get crazy and throw out the baby with the bathwater on a new season and new coaching staff. Kalani is 0-1 against Utah in a one point loss on the road. He is not responsible for the prior history.

The bigger play was letting them get a TD right before half time. Hold them to a FG, up 3 at half, not down 1.

stuckinbig10country wrote:
The bigger play was letting them get a TD right before half time. Hold them to a FG, up 3 at half, not down 1.

There were a few defensive break downs in the game. I am not satisfied with the offensive performance either. BYU got 6 turnovers from the utes and still lost, that is unacceptable but to put it all on Taysom and make statements like he should be moved to RB are ignorant in the very least.

Taysom doesn't throw it to the defender on the first play of the game and BYU wins. We can play this game all day...

Gunk wrote:
Taysom doesn't throw it to the defender on the first play of the game and BYU wins. We can play this game all day...

He didn't throw it to the defender, he threw it to the BYU receiver who tipped it up in the air into the defenders arms. And anyway, you prove my point with your attempt to discredit it. My point for this entire thread is that BYU lost as a team, there is plenty of blame to go around, from coaches to players on both sides of the ball and a simple QB change would not have changed anything.

frdbtr wrote:

Taysom doesn't throw it to the defender on the first play of the game and BYU wins. We can play this game all day...

He didn't throw it to the defender, he threw it to the BYU receiver who tipped it up in the air into the defenders arms. And anyway, you prove my point with your attempt to discredit it. My point for this entire thread is that BYU lost as a team, there is plenty of blame to go around, from coaches to players on both sides of the ball and a simple QB change would not have changed anything.

The ball was thrown way past the receiver. It was a poorly thrown ball. First play of the game.



Course, if Detmer called a run play for the 1st play of the game, we wouldn't have spotted Utah 7 points in the first 30 seconds of the game.



I get your point. Plenty of mistakes were made all around. There are plenty of shoulda's woulda's and coulda's. The fact of the matter is, though, the QB has his hands on the ball the vaste majority of the game. It's his job to direct the football. So the microscope on Taysom isn't particularly uncalled for.

Gunk wrote:

Gunk wrote:
Taysom doesn't throw it to the defender on the first play of the game and BYU wins. We can play this game all day...

He didn't throw it to the defender, he threw it to the BYU receiver who tipped it up in the air into the defenders arms. And anyway, you prove my point with your attempt to discredit it. My point for this entire thread is that BYU lost as a team, there is plenty of blame to go around, from coaches to players on both sides of the ball and a simple QB change would not have changed anything.

The ball was thrown way past the receiver. It was a poorly thrown ball. First play of the game.



Course, if Detmer called a run play for the 1st play of the game, we wouldn't have spotted Utah 7 points in the first 30 seconds of the game.



I get your point. Plenty of mistakes were made all around. There are plenty of shoulda's woulda's and coulda's. The fact of the matter is, though, the QB has his hands on the ball the vaste majority of the game. It's his job to direct the football. So the microscope on Taysom isn't particularly uncalled for.

Not to nitpick too much but on After further review, it was part of their analysis that the receiver ran the wrong route on that which messed up the timing and caused the pass to be mis thrown. But like has been discussed, there was plenty of blame to go around. My point is that to ask for Taysom's benching at this point in the year is ignorant.

My biggest critique I have of the first play is that the first throw of the game is to a freshman WR who is lined up right in front of the MUSS.

Gunk wrote:
The ball was thrown way past the receiver. It was a poorly thrown ball. First play of the game.



Course, if Detmer called a run play for the 1st play of the game, we wouldn't have spotted Utah 7 points in the first 30 seconds of the game.



I get your point. Plenty of mistakes were made all around. There are plenty of shoulda's woulda's and coulda's. The fact of the matter is, though, the QB has his hands on the ball the vaste majority of the game. It's his job to direct the football. So the microscope on Taysom isn't particularly uncalled for.

You can touch it, you can catch it. Poorly thrown ball or not. But the ball CLEARLY hits Hifo in the hands and it is the volleyball bump by Hifo that enables the Ewete DB to make the pick-6 play.



I do blame the receiver Hifo on that play...but I'm not calling for his head.



In my opinion, the most surprising thing about this play is that for the very first play call of the rivalry game on the road, Detmer dialed up a pass play to a FRESHMAN receiver....

SpiffCoug wrote:
My biggest critique I have of the first play is that the first throw of the game is to a freshman WR who is lined up right in front of the MUSS.

Missed your comment, Spiff. Great minds and all....

frdbtr wrote:

frdbtr wrote:

Taysom doesn't throw it to the defender on the first play of the game and BYU wins. We can play this game all day...

He didn't throw it to the defender, he threw it to the BYU receiver who tipped it up in the air into the defenders arms. And anyway, you prove my point with your attempt to discredit it. My point for this entire thread is that BYU lost as a team, there is plenty of blame to go around, from coaches to players on both sides of the ball and a simple QB change would not have changed anything.

The ball was thrown way past the receiver. It was a poorly thrown ball. First play of the game.



Course, if Detmer called a run play for the 1st play of the game, we wouldn't have spotted Utah 7 points in the first 30 seconds of the game.



I get your point. Plenty of mistakes were made all around. There are plenty of shoulda's woulda's and coulda's. The fact of the matter is, though, the QB has his hands on the ball the vaste majority of the game. It's his job to direct the football. So the microscope on Taysom isn't particularly uncalled for.

Not to nitpick too much but on After further review, it was part of their analysis that the receiver ran the wrong route on that which messed up the timing and caused the pass to be mis thrown. But like has been discussed, there was plenty of blame to go around. My point is that to ask for Taysom's benching at this point in the year is ignorant.

You really like that word "ignorant," don't you.

YNot wrote:

The ball was thrown way past the receiver. It was a poorly thrown ball. First play of the game.



Course, if Detmer called a run play for the 1st play of the game, we wouldn't have spotted Utah 7 points in the first 30 seconds of the game.



I get your point. Plenty of mistakes were made all around. There are plenty of shoulda's woulda's and coulda's. The fact of the matter is, though, the QB has his hands on the ball the vaste majority of the game. It's his job to direct the football. So the microscope on Taysom isn't particularly uncalled for.

You can touch it, you can catch it. Poorly thrown ball or not. But the ball CLEARLY hits Hifo in the hands and it is the volleyball bump by Hifo that enables the Ewete DB to make the pick-6 play.



I do blame the receiver Hifo on that play...but I'm not calling for his head.



In my opinion, the most surprising thing about this play is that for the very first play call of the rivalry game on the road, Detmer dialed up a pass play to a FRESHMAN receiver....

I don't particularly agree with the whole "if you can touch it you can catch it" mantra. And I certainly don't agree that said mantra therefore means the QB is free from any blame.



A ball thrown at the ankles of a WRs is a poorly thrown ball. A ball thrown past or behind a WR is also a poorly thrown ball. A ball thrown over the head of a WR is a poorly thrown ball. A WR may get a finger or two on the ball in anyone of those situations, but it's hard to pull in a ball when only a finger digit or two can get to it. To say, "Oh, the WR touched it, it's the WR's fault the ball wasn't catched" is to ignore up to 50% of what goes into completing a pass.



I agree, the real error in this scenario was the play call. It should have been a hand off to Jamal.



Again, while I have always thought Tanner should have been the starting QB, that ship has sailed. I'm not calling for Taysom's head. I am calling for improvement. The question we should be asking ourselves is whether we're going to get it.

Gunk wrote:

Gunk wrote:

Gunk wrote:
Taysom doesn't throw it to the defender on the first play of the game and BYU wins. We can play this game all day...

He didn't throw it to the defender, he threw it to the BYU receiver who tipped it up in the air into the defenders arms. And anyway, you prove my point with your attempt to discredit it. My point for this entire thread is that BYU lost as a team, there is plenty of blame to go around, from coaches to players on both sides of the ball and a simple QB change would not have changed anything.

The ball was thrown way past the receiver. It was a poorly thrown ball. First play of the game.



Course, if Detmer called a run play for the 1st play of the game, we wouldn't have spotted Utah 7 points in the first 30 seconds of the game.



I get your point. Plenty of mistakes were made all around. There are plenty of shoulda's woulda's and coulda's. The fact of the matter is, though, the QB has his hands on the ball the vaste majority of the game. It's his job to direct the football. So the microscope on Taysom isn't particularly uncalled for.

Not to nitpick too much but on After further review, it was part of their analysis that the receiver ran the wrong route on that which messed up the timing and caused the pass to be mis thrown. But like has been discussed, there was plenty of blame to go around. My point is that to ask for Taysom's benching at this point in the year is ignorant.

You really like that word "ignorant," don't you.

I use words that are relevant to the target audience.

frdbtr wrote:

frdbtr wrote:

frdbtr wrote:

Taysom doesn't throw it to the defender on the first play of the game and BYU wins. We can play this game all day...

He didn't throw it to the defender, he threw it to the BYU receiver who tipped it up in the air into the defenders arms. And anyway, you prove my point with your attempt to discredit it. My point for this entire thread is that BYU lost as a team, there is plenty of blame to go around, from coaches to players on both sides of the ball and a simple QB change would not have changed anything.

The ball was thrown way past the receiver. It was a poorly thrown ball. First play of the game.



Course, if Detmer called a run play for the 1st play of the game, we wouldn't have spotted Utah 7 points in the first 30 seconds of the game.



I get your point. Plenty of mistakes were made all around. There are plenty of shoulda's woulda's and coulda's. The fact of the matter is, though, the QB has his hands on the ball the vaste majority of the game. It's his job to direct the football. So the microscope on Taysom isn't particularly uncalled for.

Not to nitpick too much but on After further review, it was part of their analysis that the receiver ran the wrong route on that which messed up the timing and caused the pass to be mis thrown. But like has been discussed, there was plenty of blame to go around. My point is that to ask for Taysom's benching at this point in the year is ignorant.

You really like that word "ignorant," don't you.

I use words that are relevant to the target audience.

Must be so hard being the smartest person in the room. :roll:

YNot wrote:

My biggest critique I have of the first play is that the first throw of the game is to a freshman WR who is lined up right in front of the MUSS.

Missed your comment, Spiff. Great minds and all....

Or is it fools never differ? One of the two. ;)

Gunk wrote:

Gunk wrote:

Gunk wrote:

He didn't throw it to the defender, he threw it to the BYU receiver who tipped it up in the air into the defenders arms. And anyway, you prove my point with your attempt to discredit it. My point for this entire thread is that BYU lost as a team, there is plenty of blame to go around, from coaches to players on both sides of the ball and a simple QB change would not have changed anything.

The ball was thrown way past the receiver. It was a poorly thrown ball. First play of the game.



Course, if Detmer called a run play for the 1st play of the game, we wouldn't have spotted Utah 7 points in the first 30 seconds of the game.



I get your point. Plenty of mistakes were made all around. There are plenty of shoulda's woulda's and coulda's. The fact of the matter is, though, the QB has his hands on the ball the vaste majority of the game. It's his job to direct the football. So the microscope on Taysom isn't particularly uncalled for.

Not to nitpick too much but on After further review, it was part of their analysis that the receiver ran the wrong route on that which messed up the timing and caused the pass to be mis thrown. But like has been discussed, there was plenty of blame to go around. My point is that to ask for Taysom's benching at this point in the year is ignorant.

You really like that word "ignorant," don't you.

I use words that are relevant to the target audience.

Must be so hard being the smartest person in the room. :roll:

the funny thing is Gunk, I didn't even have you in mind in any of these posts about ignorance, but you are the only one who got butt hurt over it. Go think about that.

frdbtr wrote:

frdbtr wrote:

frdbtr wrote:

The ball was thrown way past the receiver. It was a poorly thrown ball. First play of the game.



Course, if Detmer called a run play for the 1st play of the game, we wouldn't have spotted Utah 7 points in the first 30 seconds of the game.



I get your point. Plenty of mistakes were made all around. There are plenty of shoulda's woulda's and coulda's. The fact of the matter is, though, the QB has his hands on the ball the vaste majority of the game. It's his job to direct the football. So the microscope on Taysom isn't particularly uncalled for.

Not to nitpick too much but on After further review, it was part of their analysis that the receiver ran the wrong route on that which messed up the timing and caused the pass to be mis thrown. But like has been discussed, there was plenty of blame to go around. My point is that to ask for Taysom's benching at this point in the year is ignorant.

You really like that word "ignorant," don't you.

I use words that are relevant to the target audience.

Must be so hard being the smartest person in the room. :roll:

the funny thing is Gunk, I didn't even have you in mind in any of these posts about ignorance, but you are the only one who got butt hurt over it. Go think about that.

I'm not butt-hurt at all. Takes a lot more than a random comment on an internet forum to upset me.



I was just noticing a tendency on your end to label BYU fans that don't align with your view as "ignorant." You're a BYU fan, I'm a BYU fan, we're all BYU fans. You have an opinion, I have an opinion, we all have opinions.