Pac 10 suckage (only for the Big East to suck more)

craigoscarson wrote:
There's no good reason that any Pac 10 team finishes in the top 15 and only Oregon has an argument to remain in the top 25.

craigoscarson wrote:
The Pac 10 got outscored by a total of 53 points this bowl season...



There's no good reason that any Pac 10 team finishes in the top 15 and only Oregon has an argument to remain in the top 25.



There's an outside chance that the Mountain West could have 4 teams in the top 25 (if AF gets some love for their big win; sad that they let the Navy and Minnesota games get away or they legimately would deserve recognition) - 2 teams in the top 10 - and 3 teams in the top 15



Considering the Pac 10 and other BCS conferences get a pass for beating each other up, then BYU Utah and AF should get a pass for what I think is losing to the best team in the country this year, TCU.



Look no further than the wins that CSU got out of conference yet struggled mightily in conference.

mormonrasta wrote:

The Pac 10 got outscored by a total of 53 points this bowl season...



There's no good reason that any Pac 10 team finishes in the top 15 and only Oregon has an argument to remain in the top 25.



There's an outside chance that the Mountain West could have 4 teams in the top 25 (if AF gets some love for their big win; sad that they let the Navy and Minnesota games get away or they legimately would deserve recognition) - 2 teams in the top 10 - and 3 teams in the top 15



Considering the Pac 10 and other BCS conferences get a pass for beating each other up, then BYU Utah and AF should get a pass for what I think is losing to the best team in the country this year, TCU.



Look no further than the wins that CSU got out of conference yet struggled mightily in conference.

If BYU is a top 15 team then Oregon is a top 15 team. BYU's best wins were Utah and Oregon St. Oregon also beat Utah and Oregon St.

declocoug wrote:

craigoscarson wrote:
The Pac 10 got outscored by a total of 53 points this bowl season...



There's no good reason that any Pac 10 team finishes in the top 15 and only Oregon has an argument to remain in the top 25.



There's an outside chance that the Mountain West could have 4 teams in the top 25 (if AF gets some love for their big win; sad that they let the Navy and Minnesota games get away or they legimately would deserve recognition) - 2 teams in the top 10 - and 3 teams in the top 15



Considering the Pac 10 and other BCS conferences get a pass for beating each other up, then BYU Utah and AF should get a pass for what I think is losing to the best team in the country this year, TCU.



Look no further than the wins that CSU got out of conference yet struggled mightily in conference.

If BYU is a top 15 team then Oregon is a top 15 team. BYU's best wins were Utah and Oregon St. Oregon also beat Utah and Oregon St.

BYU also beat AFA and OU both have arguments for being top 25 teams.

mormonrasta wrote:

The Pac 10 got outscored by a total of 53 points this bowl season...



There's no good reason that any Pac 10 team finishes in the top 15 and only Oregon has an argument to remain in the top 25.



There's an outside chance that the Mountain West could have 4 teams in the top 25 (if AF gets some love for their big win; sad that they let the Navy and Minnesota games get away or they legimately would deserve recognition) - 2 teams in the top 10 - and 3 teams in the top 15



Considering the Pac 10 and other BCS conferences get a pass for beating each other up, then BYU Utah and AF should get a pass for what I think is losing to the best team in the country this year, TCU.



Look no further than the wins that CSU got out of conference yet struggled mightily in conference.

If BYU is a top 15 team then Oregon is a top 15 team. BYU's best wins were Utah and Oregon St. Oregon also beat Utah and Oregon St.

mormonrasta wrote:
If OU and AFA have an argument to be a top 25 team then so does Arizona, USC, Stanford, and Cal. Oregon beat 3 out of those 4. Yes, Oregon has one more loss, but they do have more quality wins and nothing as embarrassing as the FSU debacle.

Mingjai wrote:

If OU and AFA have an argument to be a top 25 team then so does Arizona, USC, Stanford, and Cal. Oregon beat 3 out of those 4. Yes, Oregon has one more loss, but they do have more quality wins and nothing as embarrassing as the FSU debacle.

USC and Stanford maybe. Any fringe top 25 team that loses a bowl game doesn't have an argument to finish in the top 25 unless it was a close loss to a team ranked higher than them, so Arizona and Cal are out.

Mars wrote:

There's no good reason that any Pac 10 team finishes in the top 15 and only Oregon has an argument to remain in the top 25.

What about USC? They beat Ohio State ON THE ROAD, beat Notre Dame, and won their bowl game over Boston College...

Mingjai wrote:

If OU and AFA have an argument to be a top 25 team then so does Arizona, USC, Stanford, and Cal. Oregon beat 3 out of those 4. Yes, Oregon has one more loss, but they do have more quality wins and nothing as embarrassing as the FSU debacle.

USC and Stanford maybe. Any fringe top 25 team that loses a bowl game doesn't have an argument to finish in the top 25 unless it was a close loss to a team ranked higher than them, so Arizona and Cal are out.

mormonrasta wrote:

mormonrasta wrote:
If OU and AFA have an argument to be a top 25 team then so does Arizona, USC, Stanford, and Cal. Oregon beat 3 out of those 4. Yes, Oregon has one more loss, but they do have more quality wins and nothing as embarrassing as the FSU debacle.

USC and Stanford maybe. Any fringe top 25 team that loses a bowl game doesn't have an argument to finish in the top 25 unless it was a close loss to a team ranked higher than them, so Arizona and Cal are out.

The bowl result doesn't erase an entire season.



Arizona beat more teams that finished with a winning record (5) than Oklahoma and Air Force combined. Cal beat 3 teams with a winning record including Stanford and Arizona. They also killed the same Minnesota team that beat Air Force.



Both Cal and Arizona deserve to be ranked before Air Force and Oklahoma.

mormonrasta wrote:
The bowl result doesn't erase an entire season.



Arizona beat more teams that finished with a winning record (5) than Oklahoma and Air Force combined. Cal beat 3 teams with a winning record including Stanford and Arizona. They also killed the same Minnesota team that beat Air Force.



Both Cal and Arizona deserve to be ranked before Air Force and Oklahoma.

mormonrasta wrote:

mormonrasta wrote:
If OU and AFA have an argument to be a top 25 team then so does Arizona, USC, Stanford, and Cal. Oregon beat 3 out of those 4. Yes, Oregon has one more loss, but they do have more quality wins and nothing as embarrassing as the FSU debacle.

USC and Stanford maybe. Any fringe top 25 team that loses a bowl game doesn't have an argument to finish in the top 25 unless it was a close loss to a team ranked higher than them, so Arizona and Cal are out.

The bowl result doesn't erase an entire season.



Arizona beat more teams that finished with a winning record (5) than Oklahoma and Air Force combined. Cal beat 3 teams with a winning record including Stanford and Arizona. They also killed the same Minnesota team that beat Air Force.



Both Cal and Arizona deserve to be ranked before Air Force and Oklahoma.

westidahocougar wrote:

Mingjai wrote:

If OU and AFA have an argument to be a top 25 team then so does Arizona, USC, Stanford, and Cal. Oregon beat 3 out of those 4. Yes, Oregon has one more loss, but they do have more quality wins and nothing as embarrassing as the FSU debacle.

USC and Stanford maybe. Any fringe top 25 team that loses a bowl game doesn't have an argument to finish in the top 25 unless it was a close loss to a team ranked higher than them, so Arizona and Cal are out.

The bowl result doesn't erase an entire season.



Arizona beat more teams that finished with a winning record (5) than Oklahoma and Air Force combined. Cal beat 3 teams with a winning record including Stanford and Arizona. They also killed the same Minnesota team that beat Air Force.



Both Cal and Arizona deserve to be ranked before Air Force and Oklahoma.

Completely agree.



The bowl season always has its share of surprises and upsets, but I dont think it erases the entire season and body of work of a team.



Teams are more (or less) motivated to play in bowl games depending on situations that we probably dont know or have any knowledge of. (take BYU vs Arizona last year). Arizona beat an unmotivated BYU team, but it doesnt necessarily mean they are worldbeaters and a that because of that victory the PAC-10 is much better than the MWC. If you use that logic and discount the regular season the MWC had last year, than its unfair to the MWC to belittle what had already been done.

declocoug wrote:
That TCU win is going to sting, eh westidaho?

declocoug wrote:

mormonrasta wrote:

mormonrasta wrote:
If OU and AFA have an argument to be a top 25 team then so does Arizona, USC, Stanford, and Cal. Oregon beat 3 out of those 4. Yes, Oregon has one more loss, but they do have more quality wins and nothing as embarrassing as the FSU debacle.

USC and Stanford maybe. Any fringe top 25 team that loses a bowl game doesn't have an argument to finish in the top 25 unless it was a close loss to a team ranked higher than them, so Arizona and Cal are out.

The bowl result doesn't erase an entire season.



Arizona beat more teams that finished with a winning record (5) than Oklahoma and Air Force combined. Cal beat 3 teams with a winning record including Stanford and Arizona. They also killed the same Minnesota team that beat Air Force.



Both Cal and Arizona deserve to be ranked before Air Force and Oklahoma.

Completely agree.



The bowl season always has its share of surprises and upsets, but I dont think it erases the entire season and body of work of a team.



Teams are more (or less) motivated to play in bowl games depending on situations that we probably dont know or have any knowledge of. (take BYU vs Arizona last year). Arizona beat an unmotivated BYU team, but it doesnt necessarily mean they are worldbeaters and a that because of that victory the PAC-10 is much better than the MWC. If you use that logic and discount the regular season the MWC had last year, than its unfair to the MWC to belittle what had already been done.

lol. this coming form the guys whose conferences have been in my opinion exposed this bowl season. I do agree though, a bowl loss doesn't erase an entire season. At the same time, the MWC more than likely going 5-0 doesn't hurt either. I'd bet that BYU, Utah, and TCU, (possibly AFA) finish in the top half of the pac-0 this year.



That TCU win is going to sting, eh westidaho?

mormonrasta wrote:
The bowl result doesn't erase an entire season. Arizona beat more teams that finished with a winning record (5) than Oklahoma and Air Force combined.

Mars wrote:

The bowl result doesn't erase an entire season. Arizona beat more teams that finished with a winning record (5) than Oklahoma and Air Force combined.

Yeah, but how many of those 5 were weak PAC-10 teams?