Koroma's back: breathe a sigh of relief

:) :) :) :)

Way faster than I thought it was going to happen, but again, we didn't know all that went down.

Obviously discipline is a very serious matter for this staff?

Good on Tejan for fixing whatever needed to be fixed.

It's never easy to walk back from a mistake.



As for discipline being serious--I don't think we have any idea. Was Tejan enrolled at BYU but not on the team? I don't think he was, which means that the issue was related more to the university than to just the team. Because we have so little information on what precipitated this whole thing, we can't take away anything about the importance of discipline for the staff, separate from the university.



And I think that lack of information is a good thing.





HUGE sigh of relief!!

That was my thought--Koroma is reinstated and the first thing you think is that the new coaching staff must not take discipline seriously? That's a very cynical view.



While we don't have all the specifics, this is known as a problem for him:

http://www.co.utah.ut.us/Dept/Sheriff/Corrections/InmateDetail.asp?ID=335704

76-8-511 Falsification or Alteration of government record (fake ID basically)



A claim that I can't verify was made on another board (so take it with a grain of salt) that the way this was handled in court, if he stayed out of trouble for a period of time the charges would be dropped. If that happened in time for spring term then he could get back in school and rejoin the team now that the legal issues are resolved. The "withdraw from school to fix the problem and then reapply when it is done" method is much quicker than waiting for the honor code office to get word and take action. If the issue is resolved there is nothing for the honor code office to take action on. If he took care of his business and is now back in good standing, good for him. It was apparent from some of his tweets that it wasn't an easy process for him to go through.

Fido wrote:
That was my thought--Koroma is reinstated and the first thing you think is that the new coaching staff must not take discipline seriously? That's a very cynical view.



While we don't have all the specifics, this is known as a problem for him:

http://www.co.utah.ut.us/Dept/Sheriff/Corrections/InmateDetail.asp?ID=335704

76-8-511 Falsification or Alteration of government record (fake ID basically)

BYU's issue was not the fake ID. It was the underlying reason he wanted/used that fake ID that he had to handle.

snoscythe wrote:

That was my thought--Koroma is reinstated and the first thing you think is that the new coaching staff must not take discipline seriously? That's a very cynical view.



While we don't have all the specifics, this is known as a problem for him:

http://www.co.utah.ut.us/Dept/Sheriff/Corrections/InmateDetail.asp?ID=335704

76-8-511 Falsification or Alteration of government record (fake ID basically)

BYU's issue was not the fake ID. It was the underlying reason he wanted/used that fake ID that he had to handle.

Well, I've not seen anything that provided any context in which a fake ID was used (purchase alcohol, traffic stop, etc.) so didn't want to assume what that might be. But I would think the fake ID would have been an issue since it resulted in an arrest.

Fido wrote:

Fido wrote:
That was my thought--Koroma is reinstated and the first thing you think is that the new coaching staff must not take discipline seriously? That's a very cynical view.



While we don't have all the specifics, this is known as a problem for him:

http://www.co.utah.ut.us/Dept/Sheriff/Corrections/InmateDetail.asp?ID=335704

76-8-511 Falsification or Alteration of government record (fake ID basically)

BYU's issue was not the fake ID. It was the underlying reason he wanted/used that fake ID that he had to handle.

Well, I've not seen anything that provided any context in which a fake ID was used (purchase alcohol, traffic stop, etc.) so didn't want to assume what that might be. But I would think the fake ID would have been an issue since it resulted in an arrest.

Well, let's name all the reasons a 19- or 20-year old kid might want/have that fake ID in a situation leading to arrest:



1) buying/drinking alcohol

2) getting into bars/clubs where alcohol is served on the floor

3) Getting out of traffic tickets (good luck!)

4) Identity theft

5) just flat misrepresenting who you are for some other reason



There's not a lot of good contexts for this one from the Honor Code Office's (or coaching staff's) perspective.



I just hope he picked a good/legendary name

http://mclovinfakeid.com/gallery/5c9ce7882699c8646907a49086fd3d70_500x350.jpg" alt="" loading="lazy" style="max-width:100%">

There are some people who are fairly close to the situation who know exactly what the cause and reasons for withdrawing from school were, and they've kept it quiet to avoid getting it out in public. So it doesn't surprise me too much when they are surprised at the ease in which he was reinstated to the team with the only penalty missing the spring game.

I've never withdrawn from school, so I have no idea how it works.

Is there a process for re-admission? Something like a bishop's interview where you have to vouch that you are living according to the HC?



Otherwise, what prevents a kid from withdrawing from school, does something dastardly (fornicating, apostatizing, drinking, throwing a rave party, growing a beard), and then re-enrolling? The HC can't touch it because it happened while the person wasn't technically a BYU student, right?



But if there is some kind of re-validation of being in compliance with the HC, then it is up to that process to adjudicate whether or not that student can be part of the university. At most the staff is acknowledging that their standards are no stricter than the university's--good enough for the school, good enough for the team.



So then the cognoscenti should be surprised at the university process at least as much as the staff, no?

Or is the surprise that Bronco's discipline was further beyond the mark of the University's discipline than is Sitake's discipline?

It always amazes me how people think others should be punished for what they've done - or worse what they think they've done.

I say welcome back Mr Koroma. Let's kick it sometime over some nice refreshing sparkling lemonade. Mhmmmm. Tell you what, dat new Detmer offense just leveled up. We do need a rock at center. Tejan is that.

Didn't Jesus say something about throwing stones?



And we wonder why people think Mormons are self-righteous...

hawkwing wrote:
Obviously discipline is a very serious matter for this staff?

<< Swings wildly in the dark >>

I have sat in on bishop courts/high council meetings where the consequences for having sex outside of marriage were being decided.. In some cases, the result was excommunication, some disfellowship, and it one,, a stern warning and probation. The last was a really weird incident.



Who are we to judge in this case what was the right or wrong way to divvy out the consequences. To do otherwise, unless we know the facts of the situation, including the context, are we but rumormongers and displaying our own arrogance.

Gunk wrote:
Didn't Jesus say something about throwing stones?



And we wonder why people think Mormons are self-righteous...

Posts like these?

snoscythe wrote:

Didn't Jesus say something about throwing stones?



And we wonder why people think Mormons are self-righteous...

Posts like these?

You mean referencing Jesus to support your position and attack someone else is viewed as "self-righteous?" Hmmm who'd have guessed that?

ABYUFAN wrote:

Gunk wrote:
Didn't Jesus say something about throwing stones? And we wonder why people think Mormons are self-righteous...

Posts like these?

You mean referencing Jesus to support your position and attack someone else is viewed as "self-righteous?" Hmmm who'd have guessed that?

Yes, true Christians aren't supposed to mention Jesus. Or scriptures. Or morals.

Mars wrote:

snoscythe wrote:

Didn't Jesus say something about throwing stones? And we wonder why people think Mormons are self-righteous...

Posts like these?

You mean referencing Jesus to support your position and attack someone else is viewed as "self-righteous?" Hmmm who'd have guessed that?

Yes, true Christians aren't supposed to mention Jesus. Or scriptures. Or morals.

oh you can reference them, but only if you don't afterwards (and by "afterwards" I mean "the very next line in the same post") pretend that having a righteous position is a bad thing... At least be consistent.