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A Comment on the 2010 Class

by mcgregor · 1/1/2010

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mcgregor
Mars has done a superb job of tracking recruiting here: http://cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1471



I want to post an abbreviated list just for effect:



RB Joshua Quezada ***

OLB Toloa'i Ho Ching ***

S Jacob Hannemann **

DT Jordan Afo ***

RB Drew Phillips **

OLB Alani Fua ***

C Blair Tushaus ***

S Kori Gaines **

DE Kona Schwenke ****

CB Jordan Johnson ***

OG Manu Mulitalo ***

OLB Sae Tautu ***

TE Bryan Sampson ***

OT Tayo Fabuluje ***

OLB Teu Kautai **

MLB Zac Stout ****

WR Ross Apo ****

QB Jake Heaps *****

DT Tuni Kanuch ***

RB A.J. Moore ***

OLB Collin Keoshian ***

DT Travis Tuiloma **

OG Graham Rowley ****

OT Jordan Black ***

OLB Joey Owens ***

RB Algernon Brown ***

DE Bronson Kaufusi ****



Summary of Stars:

5 - 1

4 - 5

3 - 16

2 - 5

1 - 0



For comparison, here's a star summary of our 2008 class (what many considered a great class):

5 - 0

4 - 3

3 - 8

2 - 13

1 - 1



What does this mean? A few things.



1. Obviously, a talent upgrade. Look what we've been able to do with less talent. Apply the same coaching to increased athleticism and . . . wow.



2. I'm most impressed with the defensive talent. At every level, we're getting great talent. Awesome DL, PHENOMENAL LBers, strong DB's.



3. Non-LDS talent. We've always been able to get a handful of non-LDS athletes, but the quality of non-LDS talent is increasing each year. I will be anxious to see when we will land our first 4-star non-LDS talent.







For those that do not buy into the star system:

First of all, I believe this is becoming outdated. Just a few years ago, I bought into the bias, incomplete information available, etc. Each year Scout gets better. It's not perfect, and it never will be. But it's getting better and better.



The primary reason BYU fans are down on on the star ratings is that we feel Scout and other analysts underrate our recruits. If that was the case, which it very well may be, although we're getting more respect, this is even MORE reason to get excited.



I think the future is looking bright.



GO COUGS!
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Mars
mcgregor wrote:
For those that do not buy into the star system:

First of all, I believe this is becoming outdated. Just a few years ago, I bought into the bias, incomplete information available, etc. Each year Scout gets better. It's not perfect, and it never will be. But it's getting better and better.

TRUE- Every year there are 0, 1, 2 star guys whose play exceeds that of 3, 4, 5 star guys.

FALSE- The star system means nothing.



Odds are, the higher your ranking the more likely you are to succeed. 4 star kids are still USUALLY going to be better players than 2 star kids, more times than not. And we are lucky to be getting those big,strong, fast athletes for the future of our already-great program.
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SpiffCoug
While this is clearly the best class ever by Bronco and possibly BYU, it should also be pointed out that all of these are incoming freshman and are likely 2-5 years from fully contributing once missions and redshirts are completed.
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Cougy_Monster
kitic77 wrote:
While this is clearly the best class ever by Bronco and possibly BYU, it should also be pointed out that all of these are incoming freshman and are likely 2-5 years from fully contributing once missions and redshirts are completed.


I'm a patient man
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SpiffCoug
I think it is going to pay huge dividends to be patient with this class. Although there are several players who I think can make immediate impacts. Guys like Drew Phillips, Jake Heaps, Ross Apo, Alani Fua, Kyle Van Noy, Josh Quezada and Bronson Kaufusi could play and make plays for us in 2010.
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KYCoug
kitic77 wrote:
I think it is going to pay huge dividends to be patient with this class. Although there are several players who I think can make immediate impacts. Guys like Drew Phillips, Jake Heaps, Ross Apo, Alani Fua, Kyle Van Noy, Josh Quezada and Bronson Kaufusi could play and make plays for us in 2010.


I agree completely. We all should just take a deep breath or two and see how it turns out. If anyone needs a reality check just look at what Notre Dame has done with all their 4 and 5 star players over the last 4 years. We also need to see several classes like this to build things up. I'm optimistic though...definitely a great time to be a Cougar Fan!!!!



Go Cougs!



L Hatton

Louisville KY
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SpiffCoug
KYCoug wrote:
We also need to see several classes like this to build things up. I'm optimistic though...definitely a great time to be a Cougar Fan!!!!

The great thing is we have had several classes building things up! Bronco's first class of recruits is finally starting to come off their missions. The pipelines are starting to fill up and run smoothly. The future is very exciting.
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craigoscarson
I have no faith in the star system when I know that Travis Tuiloma is a legit 4 star guy (he blew up triple teams in 6a Kansas all year) that just didn't attend any summer camps and that Ross Apo is a legit 4-5 star guy that won the MVP of every camp he attended including 2 NIKE summer camps with 5 star guys in it.



There is a BCS slant to the star system and scout is just as liable as rivals/espn.



You also don't run a 4.39 40 and set records in rushing like Drew Philips and end up 2 stars...



If you dont' sign with a bigtime BCS team , sign early, or dont' go to camps etc. to make yourself visible, you dont' get stars; thus an uneven ranking system.
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scott715
I agree that the recruiting rankings are suspect. They don't have enought money to do a first rate job. However I wonder if they are giving us more of the benefit of the doubt than a few years ago. Could that partially explain why the class looks better? I don't know. I have not seen the kids play or have the expertise to truely evaluate them. All I know is what is being said about them which sounds really good.



I would like to see class evaluations after their playing days to see which years class was truely the best that we have.
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scott715
Looking at the high school all-star games. Zac Stout is at the offfense-defense bowl (TBS says he is doing well) and Bronson Kaufusi is at the under Armour game (though he is probably still hurt). I thought Heaps was going to play at one. Isn't there a 3rd game?
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craigoscarson
scott715 wrote:
Looking at the high school all-star games. Zac Stout is at the offfense-defense bowl (TBS says he is doing well) and Bronson Kaufusi is at the under Armour game (though he is probably still hurt). I thought Heaps was going to play at one. Isn't there a 3rd game?


Heaps and Apo are at the U.S. Army All American





One thing to keep in mind is that our coaches are smart enough to see talent where it benefits them that others aren't paying attention (tuiloma, philips, et.c)

that they may not want those guys to get a lot of attention.

Like Hauli Jamora, BYU spotted him long before he was wrecking opponents defenses in Hawaii.



He's gotten a lot more attention after this season , in spite of his ranking and now he's looking at BCS schools.
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CougarPeasant
What still impresses me most about Bronco is that he's been successful at a high level with players who would be afterthoughts at many AQ programs. He knows how to put a "TEAM" together that is better than the sum of its parts. Now that he is getting better parts, I am very excited at how Bronco will develop this talent he's now attracting. TCU's run will come to an end very soon.



As an aside, I wonder how the fall out over at Texas Tech will affect recruiting at TCU for the better? I know when Meyer announced he stepped down, Florida lost some recruits. I can only imagine what TT's recruiting class will look like this year with Leach being dismissed. This should benefit TCU's class too imo.
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a1247
The best thing that I see in this class is the amount of speed that is coming to the defense. BYU has been lacking in the speed department but this class is going to change that.
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bigbluepuma
a1247 wrote:
The best thing that I see in this class is the amount of speed that is coming to the defense. BYU has been lacking in the speed department but this class is going to change that.


Last year's class changed that. We haven't seen most of the effects of that yet, but we will! 8) 8)
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CougarClaw
KYCoug wrote:

I agree completely. We all should just take a deep breath or two and see how it turns out. If anyone needs a reality check just look at what Notre Dame has done with all their 4 and 5 star players over the last 4 years. We also need to see several classes like this to build things up. I'm optimistic though...definitely a great time to be a Cougar Fan!!!!



Go Cougs!



L Hatton

Louisville KY


Notre Dame is the perfect example. Even if every single one of our recruits were a "5 star blue chip" all-state, all-HS everything it's no guarantee of anything.



But it IS a reason for off-season excitement.
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Mithrandir
Even beyond the 2010 class, BYU is assembling a group of athletes the likes of which the MWC has never seen before. Bronco has more 3, 4 and 5 star guys on the roster, on missions, or commited to the program than the rest of the conference combined (and it's not even close).



Check this out:



***** Jake Heaps

**** Uona Kaveinga

**** Kona Schwenke

**** Bronson Kafusi

**** Zac Stout

**** Graham Rowley

**** Adam Hine (Timo)

**** Craig Bills

**** Kyle Van Noy

**** Richard Wilson

**** Bernard Afutiti

**** Austin Holt

**** Jason Munns

**** Marcus Mathews

**** James Lark

**** Vic So’oto

**** Matt Reynolds

**** Ross Apo

*** Spencer Hafoka

*** McKay Jacobsen

*** Ryan Freeman

*** Devin Mahina

*** Houston Reynolds

*** J.J.Diluigi

*** Levi Mack ?

*** David Angilau ?

*** Robbie Buckner

*** Manaaki Vaitai ?

*** Jordan Pendleton

*** Oneill Chambers

*** Jake Murphy

*** Jessie Taufi?

*** Daniel Sorensen

*** Cameron Comer

*** J’ray Galea’i

*** Jordan Atkinson

*** Lee Aguirre

*** Brett Thompson

*** Remington Peck

*** Mitch Mathews

*** Riley Nelson

*** Tui Chrichton

*** Terry alleto

*** Algernon Brown

*** Joey Owens

*** Jordan Black

*** Collin Keoshian

*** AJ Moore

*** Tuni Kanuch

*** Tayo Fabuluje

*** Bryan Sampson

*** Haouli Jamoura

*** Sae Tautu

*** Manu Mulitalo

*** Jordan Johnson

*** Blair Tashaus

*** Alani Fua

*** Jordan Afo

*** Taloa’i Ho-Ching

*** Joshua Quezada

*** Manoa Pikula

*** Austin Heder

*** Baker Pritchard



Bronco is building a juggernaut. The rest of the conference, and the wider college football world has no idea what's about to hit them.
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CougarClaw
Mithrandir wrote:
Even beyond the 2010 class, BYU is assembling a group of athletes the likes of which the MWC has never seen before. Bronco has more 3, 4 and 5 star guys on the roster, on missions, or commited to the program than the rest of the conference combined (and it's not even close).



Check this out:



***** Jake Heaps

**** Uona Kaveinga

**** Kona Schwenke

**** Bronson Kafusi

**** Zac Stout

**** Graham Rowley

**** Adam Hine (Timo)

**** Craig Bills

**** Kyle Van Noy

**** Richard Wilson

**** Bernard Afutiti

**** Austin Holt

**** Jason Munns

**** Marcus Mathews

**** James Lark

**** Vic So’oto

**** Matt Reynolds

**** Ross Apo

*** Spencer Hafoka

*** McKay Jacobsen

*** Ryan Freeman

*** Devin Mahina

*** Houston Reynolds

*** J.J.Diluigi

*** Levi Mack ?

*** David Angilau ?

*** Robbie Buckner

*** Manaaki Vaitai ?

*** Jordan Pendleton

*** Oneill Chambers

*** Jake Murphy

*** Jessie Taufi?

*** Daniel Sorensen

*** Cameron Comer

*** J’ray Galea’i

*** Jordan Atkinson

*** Lee Aguirre

*** Brett Thompson

*** Remington Peck

*** Mitch Mathews

*** Riley Nelson

*** Tui Chrichton

*** Terry alleto

*** Algernon Brown

*** Joey Owens

*** Jordan Black

*** Collin Keoshian

*** AJ Moore

*** Tuni Kanuch

*** Tayo Fabuluje

*** Bryan Sampson

*** Haouli Jamoura

*** Sae Tautu

*** Manu Mulitalo

*** Jordan Johnson

*** Blair Tashaus

*** Alani Fua

*** Jordan Afo

*** Taloa’i Ho-Ching

*** Joshua Quezada

*** Manoa Pikula

*** Austin Heder

*** Baker Pritchard



Bronco is building a juggernaut. The rest of the conference, and the wider college football world has no idea what's about to hit them.


Awesome post. I don't even agree with it 100%, but it still gave me nice warm fuzzies.
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SpiffCoug
Mithrandir wrote:
Even beyond the 2010 class, BYU is assembling a group of athletes the likes of which the MWC has never seen before. Bronco has more 3, 4 and 5 star guys on the roster, on missions, or commited to the program than the rest of the conference combined (and it's not even close).



Check this out:

**** Uona Kaveinga

*** Levi Mack ?

*** David Angilau ?

*** Manaaki Vaitai ?

*** Jessie Taufi?


Uona won't be available in 2010 due to his transfer. If he decides to go on a mission he may not be available until 2013.



Levi Mack and David Angilau are no longer with the program. Jessie Taufi will likely never get his grades to a position where he can contribute. Don't be surprised if he is gone as well. Manaaki Vaitai should be back from a mission for next year.
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Short_Change
kitic77 wrote:
I think it is going to pay huge dividends to be patient with this class. Although there are several players who I think can make immediate impacts. Guys like Drew Phillips, Jake Heaps, Ross Apo, Alani Fua, Kyle Van Noy, Josh Quezada and Bronson Kaufusi could play and make plays for us in 2010.


Although Kaufusi is very capable of making plays in 2010, he won't. He's coming off an ACL tear and besides that he's going straight on a mission unless his plans have changed. Zach Stout, Tuni Kanuch, Collin Keoshian, Kona Shwenke, and Jamora could all make immediate impact as well.
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Mithrandir
kitic77 wrote:
Even beyond the 2010 class, BYU is assembling a group of athletes the likes of which the MWC has never seen before. Bronco has more 3, 4 and 5 star guys on the roster, on missions, or commited to the program than the rest of the conference combined (and it's not even close).



Check this out:

**** Uona Kaveinga

*** Levi Mack ?

*** David Angilau ?

*** Manaaki Vaitai ?

*** Jessie Taufi?


Uona won't be available in 2010 due to his transfer. If he decides to go on a mission he may not be available until 2013.



Levi Mack and David Angilau are no longer with the program. Jessie Taufi will likely never get his grades to a position where he can contribute. Don't be surprised if he is gone as well. Manaaki Vaitai should be back from a mission for next year.


I knew about Kaveinga (I put him on the list because he IS commited to the program), but thanks for filling me in on the other guys. I suspected that Mack was gone (I think I heard that somewhere), but I really had no clue about the other guys. I wonder why attrition has been so high for offensive linemen lately?
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