Best Player vs. Player Who Has "Earned" It

In discussing why Riley Burt isn't seeing more snaps in the rushing game, Jake Kuresa said the following:

I would say that Anae and Mendenhall are both anti-Freshman. They don't want to put in guys who haven't earned it.

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I would point out that BYU has played the 3rd most freshmen of any school...but whatever.



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Jake Kuresa is flat out making things up. What he is saying is simply NOT TRUE. I don't want to say he is lying, but what he is saying is categorically FALSE.



I would also point out that on the OL.



- Tejan Koroma is a sophomore who has 22 starts in 22 career games.

- Austin Hoyt is a freshman and has played in 7 of 10 games this year. He has two starts this year.

- Tuni Kanuch is a sophomore who has played in 21 of a possible 23 games. He has five starts this year.

- Ului Lapuaho is a sophomore who has played in 18 of a possible 20 games. He has seven starts this year.

- JJ Nwigwe and Jacob Jimenez are two freshman who have appeared in two games this year.



Our Two-Deep is littered and chock-full of freshmen and sophomores. Even on offense. Here is a list of other FR & SO:

QB Tanner Mangum, Beau Hoge, Koy Detmer

RB: Francis Bernard

DL: Kensi Tausinga, Tomasi Laulile

LB: Fred Warner, Sione Takitaki*

DB: Matt Hadley, Micah Hannemann, Michael Shelton, Jordan Praetor



Additionally, here are other now Juniors and Seniors who played extensively as freshmen and sophomores:

Bronson Kaufusi, Mitch Mathews, Ryker Mathews, Remington Peck, Algernon Brown, Michael Davis, Mitchell Juergens, Harvey Langi, Colby Pearson, Kai Nacua, Travis Tuiloma, Brad Wilcox,

And...Jake Heaps



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Gunk wrote:
And...Jake Heaps



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Please know that I hate you :P



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Gunk wrote:
And...Jake Heaps



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No, no, no, no, no. Brandon Doman was the one who demanded to play Jake Heaps, which was why he was promoted as Ocoordinator when Anae left and was then fired after running Heaps off. You should all know this. :whistle:

frdbtr wrote:

And...Jake Heaps



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No, no, no, no, no. Brandon Doman was the one who demanded to play Jake Heaps, which was why he was promoted as Ocoordinator when Anae left and was then fired after running Heaps off. You should all know this. :whistle:

Either way, both Bronco and Anae bought off on playing Heaps as a freshman. Even further proof that Kuresa has no idea what he's talking about when he says those two coaches are anti-freshman. It's completely wrong.

SpiffCoug wrote:

Gunk wrote:
And...Jake Heaps



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No, no, no, no, no. Brandon Doman was the one who demanded to play Jake Heaps, which was why he was promoted as Ocoordinator when Anae left and was then fired after running Heaps off. You should all know this. :whistle:

Either way, both Bronco and Anae bought off on playing Heaps as a freshman. Even further proof that Kuresa has no idea what he's talking about when he says those two coaches are anti-freshman. It's completely wrong.

I know, I was really just kidding. I was regurgitating the rumors that were flying all over the place during that very dark time in cougar history :)

frdbtr wrote:

frdbtr wrote:

And...Jake Heaps



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No, no, no, no, no. Brandon Doman was the one who demanded to play Jake Heaps, which was why he was promoted as Ocoordinator when Anae left and was then fired after running Heaps off. You should all know this. :whistle:

Either way, both Bronco and Anae bought off on playing Heaps as a freshman. Even further proof that Kuresa has no idea what he's talking about when he says those two coaches are anti-freshman. It's completely wrong.

I know, I was really just kidding. I was regurgitating the rumors that were flying all over the place during that very dark time in cougar history :)

An interesting thought and maybe this deserves it's own thread, but which era was darker in BYU history, the Jake Heaps years or the Gary Crowton years?

blue42 wrote:
An interesting thought and maybe this deserves it's own thread, but which era was darker in BYU history, the Jake Heaps years or the Gary Crowton years?

GC no doubt.

hawkwing wrote:

An interesting thought and maybe this deserves it's own thread, but which era was darker in BYU history, the Jake Heaps years or the Gary Crowton years?

GC no doubt.

This is true. The Jake Heaps drama only lasted two seasons of having him here. Crowton was much more painful. Thank goodness I missed half of it while on my mission. I feel blessed for that.

Ungoy wrote:

blue42 wrote:
An interesting thought and maybe this deserves it's own thread, but which era was darker in BYU history, the Jake Heaps years or the Gary Crowton years?

GC no doubt.

This is true. The Jake Heaps drama only lasted two seasons of having him here. Crowton was much more painful. Thank goodness I missed half of it while on my mission. I feel blessed for that.

At least Jake won a bowl game. We had no bowl games for a couple years with GC

Yes he did win a bowl. However, if he had played all of 2011, I don't think BYU would have been to a bowl that year. They were on their way to a very dark, dark place before Heaps got pulled.



I think if Heaps had stayed all 4 years, and somehow managed to start, he would have rivaled the dark Crowton years.

frdbtr wrote:

And...Jake Heaps



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No, no, no, no, no. Brandon Doman was the one who demanded to play Jake Heaps, which was why he was promoted as Ocoordinator when Anae left and was then fired after running Heaps off. You should all know this. :whistle:

And Bronco (who knows absolutely nothing about offensive football by his own words)wanted Riley Nelson who was far worse QB than Heaps and constantly interfered with Doman and his offensive game planning. I also think had Heaps stayed the starter in 2011 BYU beats TCU and wins the bowl game. Also Doman did as much as Anae with lesser talent than Anae did with the better talent he had the first time around.

TheDean wrote:
And Bronco (who knows absolutely nothing about offensive football by his own words)wanted Riley Nelson who was far worse QB than Heaps and constantly interfered with Doman and his offensive game planning. I also think had Heaps stayed the starter in 2011 BYU beats TCU and wins the bowl game. Also Doman did as much as Anae with lesser talent than Anae did with the better talent he had the first time around.

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SpiffCoug wrote:

And Bronco (who knows absolutely nothing about offensive football by his own words)wanted Riley Nelson who was far worse QB than Heaps and constantly interfered with Doman and his offensive game planning. I also think had Heaps stayed the starter in 2011 BYU beats TCU and wins the bowl game. Also Doman did as much as Anae with lesser talent than Anae did with the better talent he had the first time around.

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I couldn't come up with words to respond. I think you nailed it Spiff.



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TheDean wrote:

Gunk wrote:
And...Jake Heaps



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No, no, no, no, no. Brandon Doman was the one who demanded to play Jake Heaps, which was why he was promoted as Ocoordinator when Anae left and was then fired after running Heaps off. You should all know this. :whistle:

And Bronco (who knows absolutely nothing about offensive football by his own words)wanted Riley Nelson who was far worse QB than Heaps and constantly interfered with Doman and his offensive game planning. I also think had Heaps stayed the starter in 2011 BYU beats TCU and wins the bowl game. Also Doman did as much as Anae with lesser talent than Anae did with the better talent he had the first time around.

The gates are falling, the lights are flashing, but the train ain't coming.

BYU scored 7 TDs today. Three of them were scored by freshman.

TheDean wrote:

Gunk wrote:
And...Jake Heaps



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No, no, no, no, no. Brandon Doman was the one who demanded to play Jake Heaps, which was why he was promoted as Ocoordinator when Anae left and was then fired after running Heaps off. You should all know this. :whistle:

And Bronco (who knows absolutely nothing about offensive football by his own words)wanted Riley Nelson who was far worse QB than Heaps and constantly interfered with Doman and his offensive game planning. I also think had Heaps stayed the starter in 2011 BYU beats TCU and wins the bowl game. Also Doman did as much as Anae with lesser talent than Anae did with the better talent he had the first time around.

There's not a single metric that shows what you are asserting here.

stuckinbig10country wrote:
I would point out that BYU has played the 3rd most freshmen of any school...but whatever.



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Yeah, but how many of those are seeing time due to injury or other events taking out those in front of them? That was Kuresa's point--Riley Burt (of whom Kuresa was speaking) has played this year as a freshman, so he contributes to your stat of # of freshmen played, but only when 4 other running backs with more seniority are injured, suspended, or otherwise less functional, and even then he only gets 1-2 snaps a game. Yeah, Bronco likes to burn redshirts by giving guys a couple snaps in garbage time (see: Koy Detmer) which inflates that number, but when the rubber meets the road, Bronco goes to the earned it guy. What's funny is that some of the people who have raised this concern in the past are now the same posters coming to Bronco's defense for some bizzarro reason.



What happens if Taysom Hill stays healthy or Ammon Olsen/Alex Kuresa stick around? That eliminates three freshmen (Mangum, Hoge, Detmer) who played this season, not because they beat out the upper-classmen, but because they are all that is left in the cupboard.



The storyline bears out up and down the depth chart. The freshmen who get to play generally only do so when all other options are eliminated or Bronco needs to burn redshirts to keep his roster-flow on schedule.