Monty speaking with fmr Big XII commish Chuck Neinas re: BYU

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But BYU was making ridiculous demands and its BYU's failure that they're not in the Big XII!

SpiffCoug wrote:
But BYU was making ridiculous demands and its BYU's failure that they're not in the Big XII!

This just further proves that owning a large local media market is more quantifiable and easier to value than sharing a smaller local market but having a wider national presence. Seriously folks--WVU and Louisvull were flat out more attractive than BYU.

Praytell, what market does WVU own?



Pittsburgh? They're behind the Steelers, Pirates, Penguins, Pitt.



DC? They're behind the Redskins, Ravens, Redskins, Nationals, Orioles, Redskins, Capitals, Redskins, Wizards and Redskins.



I can see Louisville being ahead of BYU but not WVU.

SpiffCoug wrote:
Praytell, what market does WVU own?



Pittsburgh? They're behind the Steelers, Pirates, Penguins, Pitt.



DC? They're behind the Redskins, Ravens, Redskins, Nationals, Orioles, Redskins, Capitals, Redskins, Wizards and Redskins.



I can see Louisville being ahead of BYU but not WVU.

*slowclap* Congratulations--you just named a bunch of pro-teams, and not a single college team. Thanks for proving the point you were trying to debunk. The market they are looking at is college football viewers, not NHL hockey viewers or the like.

SpiffCoug wrote:
Praytell, what market does WVU own?



Pittsburgh? They're behind the Steelers, Pirates, Penguins, Pitt.



DC? They're behind the Redskins, Ravens, Redskins, Nationals, Orioles, Redskins, Capitals, Redskins, Wizards and Redskins.



I can see Louisville being ahead of BYU but not WVU.

I think that you forgot to mention the Redskins, they're semi-pro but some people still like them.

His comments just confirm that they weren't strategic at all in their expansion efforts. They took the two best football programs at the time that they could.



Here is the tale of the tape of the potential members as of October 2011 (when they added TCU and West Virginia):



Media markets added to the conference footprint (bold means they have a substantial presence in the market; ? means they might have a decent presence)



BYU: #33 SLC #42 Las Vegas? #12 Phoenix? #2 Los Angeles?

TCU: None

Louisville: #50 Louisville #63 Lexington #25 Indianapolis? #29 Nashville?

Cincinnati: #34 Cincinnati #17 Cleveland? #32 Columbus?

West Virginia: #65 Charleston-Huntington #23 Pittsburgh? #9 Washington DC?

Colorado St: #18 Denver #91 Colorado Springs-Pueblo?

Houston: None

SMU: None

Rice: None



Source: http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



Win pct previous 5 full seasons '06-'10 (10 full seasons '01-'10)



TCU: .846 (.784)

BYU: .769 (.650)

WVA: .753 (.698)

Cincinnati: .692 (.595)

Louisville : .548 (.648)

Colorado St.: .327 (.439)

Houston: .621 (.496)

SMU: .365 (.316)

Rice: .419 (.394)



Top 25 finishes previous 5 and 10 seasons



TCU 4 (7)

BYU 4 (5)

WVA 4 (6)

Cincinnati 3 (3)

Louisville 1 (4)

Colorado St. 0 (0)

Houston: 0 (0)

SMU: 0 (0)

Rice: 0 (0)



US News and World Report rankings (current rankings, but likely not much different in 2011)



Rice #19

SMU #58

BYU #62

TCU #76

CSU #121

Louisville #161

West Virginia #168



If they really cared about academics Louisville and West Virginia wouldn't get a sniff. If they cared about expanding their media markets no Texas team would have been considered. What they did care about was recent football performance of the teams in the Central or Eastern time zone. That's how they got TCU and WVA.

Big 12 and FOX aren't overly concerned about the size of the local media markets in which an institution resides - they care about TV ratings. People in Atlanta, Dallas, and Chicago will watch and get excited about West Virginia versus Oklahoma and West Virginia versus Kansas St. Who cares if everyone in Morgantown is watching - it's whether the casual fan will watch the game.



Boise St. is easily among the top non-P5 properties - not because of the Boise or Idaho market but because viewers in Atlanta, Dallas, and Chicago might actually tune in to a BSU game if it's on ESPN.

Yep. And won't BYU be even more relevant with a few 7-5 and 6-6 seasons. Kiss it goodbye Cougar fans, we ain't going to the Big 12. Must win!!!! And boy doesn't BSU have a crappy model of winning???

snoscythe wrote:

Praytell, what market does WVU own?



Pittsburgh? They're behind the Steelers, Pirates, Penguins, Pitt.



DC? They're behind the Redskins, Ravens, Redskins, Nationals, Orioles, Redskins, Capitals, Redskins, Wizards and Redskins.



I can see Louisville being ahead of BYU but not WVU.

*slowclap* Congratulations--you just named a bunch of pro-teams, and not a single college team. Thanks for proving the point you were trying to debunk. The market they are looking at is college football viewers, not NHL hockey viewers or the like.

Just showing how far down the sports landscape WVU is in their "home" market. I'm not even sure they have a home market. The DC market is a professional sports market, not a college one. So is Pittsburgh.



I concede the point about Texas or Oklahoma coming to town drawing more interest than just WVU.



So as I'm writing I can see the Big XII's interest. They could be thinking that the Big XII doesn't bring anything to the SLC market that BYU already brings. But the Big XII might bring something to WVU's market that WVU doesn't bring.