SEC says BYU is P5

Heard this right after Baylor lost in the NCAAs... salve to my wounds



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You know what the most important part about this is?



It gives us a little more negotiating power next time the championship series comes up again for renewal. Also, will help in bowl negotiations.



This is a pretty big statement for the team.

"Beginning in 2016, the SEC will require its league members to play at least one nonconference Power 5 team. Notre Dame had always been included as a nonconference Power 5 team by the SEC, but the league recently decided to also allow games against BYU and Army to count, sources said.



The SEC and ACC are the only Power 5 leagues that require their league members to play at least one nonconference Power 5 opponent. In January, the ACC changed its stance to allow games against BYU to count toward its requirement. However, games against Army will not count toward the ACC's requirement, a source said."



To me the best take-always are that BYU now has:



1. Gravitas confirmed by unimpeachable sources - with a strong helping of "good ol' boy" acceptance ("if you are good enough to qualify to play my team then you are good enough for me.")



2. Scheduling opportunities that should continue to improve and increase - potentially quickly and greatly. [See #1, above.]



3. Greater access to top 25 votes, television viewers, and media acceptance because of public perception.



4. A much better chance to continue to make independence work together with an improved seat at the table as future conference shifts and CF landscape changes take shape.



I continue to be a wholehearted fan of independence.



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Glad they finally put us on a par with Army...

snoscythe wrote:
Glad they finally put us on a par with Army...

Funny... But they've always had us as on par with Army. At lease this way (for them) it's not the "BYU rule" giving us any sort of special treatment, they just moved up multiple teams instead of one.

Kind of a an interesting conundrum. Keeps us in a way from going to a conference (other than P5) because we'd lose such a status as a member of say like the American Athletic Conference. I don't think you'd want to give that recognition up.

Good point. Just wondering if we did and they had just us on their schedule as a OOC P5 game, what would they do?

Drop us like a hot potatoe and so would the rest of the world.



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dsmith1212 wrote:
"Beginning in 2016, the SEC will require its league members to play at least one nonconference Power 5 team. Notre Dame had always been included as a nonconference Power 5 team by the SEC, but the league recently decided to also allow games against BYU and Army to count, sources said.



The SEC and ACC are the only Power 5 leagues that require their league members to play at least one nonconference Power 5 opponent. In January, the ACC changed its stance to allow games against BYU to count toward its requirement. However, games against Army will not count toward the ACC's requirement, a source said."



To me the best take-always are that BYU now has:



1. Gravitas confirmed by unimpeachable sources - with a strong helping of "good ol' boy" acceptance ("if you are good enough to qualify to play my team then you are good enough for me.")



2. Scheduling opportunities that should continue to improve and increase - potentially quickly and greatly. [See #1, above.]



3. Greater access to top 25 votes, television viewers, and media acceptance because of public perception.



4. A much better chance to continue to make independence work together with an improved seat at the table as future conference shifts and CF landscape changes take shape.



I continue to be a wholehearted fan of independence.



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This looks like an attempt at rational Exhuberance, but fails.

1. What the little (almost the littlest, if not for the perrenial power of the wishbone magic) kid always thinks, even when he is picked last for a team. Not necessarily true.

2. Probably. Easy food, easily obtained, = a lot of customers. Just ask Obama voters.

3.Not so fast. BYU risks being not only the little kid, but the doormat for tougher teams , tougher seasons, more injuries vs tougher teams, and ......see number 5 below.

4. Maybe the most accurate of your assertions.

5. MORE LOSSES and risk of losing seasons and all that goes with losing seasons, including losing recruits who actually want to be a part of winning teams. Careful what you ask for.

6. More access to better bowls--oh wait, have to be more than just barely bowl eligible to do that.

7. Continued good tv coverage, bc we are Independant, right? Um, do you think the. SEC and ACC are just going to allow 2nd or 3tier rights. You think ESPN is going to want to cover a team with more losses and losing seasons? But I guess there is always 830pm Saturday night slots.

8. Ute fans making fun of the BYU fans that think they have arrived only to choke on losses.



Mark my words Cougar fans. This may have been a great victory on the surface, today, and it is certainly a pretty huge gamble by Holmoe to show that BYU can compete with the big boys 5 or 6 times a year, but if this doesn't lead to a P5 conference invite, this could turn on its side. But hey, we'll have our home schedule filled with big names, won't we.



Scraps from the table always seems better than no scraps at all.

Cougs_Rule wrote:

"Beginning in 2016, the SEC will require its league members to play at least one nonconference Power 5 team. Notre Dame had always been included as a nonconference Power 5 team by the SEC, but the league recently decided to also allow games against BYU and Army to count, sources said.



The SEC and ACC are the only Power 5 leagues that require their league members to play at least one nonconference Power 5 opponent. In January, the ACC changed its stance to allow games against BYU to count toward its requirement. However, games against Army will not count toward the ACC's requirement, a source said."



To me the best take-always are that BYU now has:



1. Gravitas confirmed by unimpeachable sources - with a strong helping of "good ol' boy" acceptance ("if you are good enough to qualify to play my team then you are good enough for me.")



2. Scheduling opportunities that should continue to improve and increase - potentially quickly and greatly. [See #1, above.]



3. Greater access to top 25 votes, television viewers, and media acceptance because of public perception.



4. A much better chance to continue to make independence work together with an improved seat at the table as future conference shifts and CF landscape changes take shape.



I continue to be a wholehearted fan of independence.



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This looks like an attempt at rational Exhuberance, but fails.

1. What the little (almost the littlest, if not for the perrenial power of the wishbone magic) kid always thinks, even when he is picked last for a team. Not necessarily true.

2. Probably. Easy food, easily obtained, = a lot of customers. Just ask Obama voters.

3.Not so fast. BYU risks being not only the little kid, but the doormat for tougher teams , tougher seasons, more injuries vs tougher teams, and ......see number 5 below.

4. Maybe the most accurate of your assertions.

5. MORE LOSSES and risk of losing seasons and all that goes with losing seasons, including losing recruits who actually want to be a part of winning teams. Careful what you ask for.

6. More access to better bowls--oh wait, have to be more than just barely bowl eligible to do that.

7. Continued good tv coverage, bc we are Independant, right? Um, do you think the. SEC and ACC are just going to allow 2nd or 3tier rights. You think ESPN is going to want to cover a team with more losses and losing seasons? But I guess there is always 830pm Saturday night slots.

8. Ute fans making fun of the BYU fans that think they have arrived only to choke on losses.



Mark my words Cougar fans. This may have been a great victory on the surface, today, and it is certainly a pretty huge gamble by Holmoe to show that BYU can compete with the big boys 5 or 6 times a year, but if this doesn't lead to a P5 conference invite, this could turn on its side. But hey, we'll have our home schedule filled with big names, won't we.



Scraps from the table always seems better than no scraps at all.

You do realize we didn't just join the SEC correct? We might play one game against them every 2-3 years. I think 2-3 games out of 24-36 games won't cause the sky to fall. If I didn't know better I'd think you and CougarBib wrote this post jointly.



This is only good news for BYU. It gives more reason for quality opponents to schedule us. If the SEC and ACC publicly acknowledge us the BIG12, Big10, and Pac12 will also even if unofficially.

Cougs_Rule, seems to me that all of your arguments would apply equally whether BYU is independent or if it was accepted into a P5 conference.



Your TV comment misses the point - more fans nationwide will now be inclined to pay attention to and even watch BYU more often - every game every week, not just those involving the SEC or ACC.



Whether independent or in a P5 conference, winning is paramount, losses (especially lots of them, see e.g. Washington State) can create a lost decade or more, and injuries will occur.



Perception can be everything, and notwithstanding Utah and the PAC12, BYU is now perceived as a P5 school in most corners and that perception will increase more before the 2015 season kicks off. I like that. Why don't you?



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I like the inclusion and the big name games. I won't like losing seasons...I hope to be proved wrong though.

byufan4ever wrote:
I like the inclusion and the big name games. I won't like losing seasons...I hope to be proved wrong though.

I don't think they will be losing seasons. I think at worst they will be .500 seasons, with some seasons in between that surprise us in a good way. I have faith in Bronco's ability to get the team ready to play some harder teams. He has shown the ability to keep it close and even win some of those games (Oklahoma, Georgia Tech, Ole Miss, Texas twice come to mind).

A couple thoughts or questions who would take 5-7 .500(barely or not bowl eligible) seasons out of ten years to get one or two shot at a top tier bowl/playoff spot every ten years?

Screamineagle wrote:
A couple thoughts or questions who would take 5-7 .500(barely or not bowl eligible) seasons out of ten years to get one or two shot at a top tier bowl/playoff spot every ten years?

Non sequitur. BYU already has a shot at top bowls. But tougher schedules only reduce those chances. Unless you have the audacity to actually think that another undefeated season will show up once every 35-40 years.

BYu had their best chance in years to do that this past season. Bronco gave that up by delegating his most valuable coaching attribute.

Screamineagle wrote:
A couple thoughts or questions who would take 5-7 .500(barely or not bowl eligible) seasons out of ten years to get one or two shot at a top tier bowl/playoff spot every ten years?

On second thought, you have asked the millions of TV dollars question. Several 6-6 or 5-7 seasons and this program gets hampered for quite some time.

Fans want wins more than they want quality home schedules.

byufan4ever wrote:
I like the inclusion and the big name games. I won't like losing seasons...I hope to be proved wrong though.

BINGO. someone with blue goggles but not a loss of reality.

I say if you don't want to be P5 then we need to consider dropping down to Division II. The idea of only scheduling non P5 and then expecting the respect to get to a new years and NC talk is crazy. No one is saying we are joining the SEC or even scheduling lots from the top of the SEC but if you can't expect to win most games against MS St, Ole Mis, Vanderbuilt, UK you don't need to be playing with the big boys.



Go Cougs!



L Hatton

Louisville, KY

KYCoug wrote:
I say if you don't want to be P5 then we need to consider dropping down to Division II. The idea of only scheduling non P5 and then expecting the respect to get to a new years and NC talk is crazy. No one is saying we are joining the SEC or even scheduling lots from the top of the SEC but if you can't expect to win most games against MS St, Ole Mis, Vanderbuilt, UK you don't need to be playing with the big boys.



Go Cougs!



L Hatton

Louisville, KY

Well, isn't BYU acting a little bit like a DII team, begging for big matchups for notoriety, P5 recognition and money. The probelm isn't with one or two big time teams its four, five and six big games that will decimatethe health of this team. It's not built for it. And whatever fantasy people have that somehow BYU will be like Utah (a team byu can't seem to beat) and start attracting P5 talent and eventually start to become competitive, will be disappointed. No, it's not just the 2-4 big time games, there will be more. BYU will go from nearly almost shunned, not being P5 worthy, to now the cutest slump buster easy girl at the dance.....well I guess there is always Army. I expect multiple announcements in the coming six months and that will be the problem. Schedules will seem like so awesome and TH will make promises that these teams--our boys won't be able to keep. Oh, they will show up to play, but throw in several 6-6 seasons, greater number of fans will unfairly turn on Bronco believing in yet one more fantasy that someone else out there can do better and down goes Frazier.

And, unlike the Utes, BYU will not be able to consistently attrack P5 talent with the HC and academic standards. Just ain't gonna happen.

BYU is forgetting who they are (A MID MAJOR) in a desperate attempt to remain relevant and get an invite to Babylon The Great, which is now "calling" with regularity, but it ain't "falling" anytime soon. Should BYU give up? Of course not. But be a Boise State first before you act like you think you belong. Make a New Years day bowl first!! Oh but wait, BYUs chances just shot through the roof for a one loss year or better, didn't it.

But hey COugar fans, take heart, maybe if we perform (like I suspect) like a P5 cellar dweller we will finally get that big P5 invite soon enough, because the top teams will be licking their chops. But, I guess Baylor made it out of the cellar, maybe BYU could as well.

I suppose TH has to try something. Credit him for being bold.

Cougs_Rule, I'm sitting here at my desk wondering why you want to be a fan of BYU football, if that's what you think the team should aspire to. Man that's setting the high jump bar at about a foot off the ground.