Combine invites

Only 1 coug got an invite. Fua, Leslie just missed on getting invited.

Pretty unsurprising. Looks like another goose egg in the Bronco players to the NFL discussion. Thanks for the info. I hope the best for Alani, and hope some other guys make a practice team.

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TE Mahina and P Arellano made the list of top prospects not invited to combine.

scott715 wrote:
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TE Mahina and P Arellano made the list of top prospects not invited to combine.

Well of course Mahina got left off. His own OC forgot that we have tight ends on the team.



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BlueIsBetter wrote:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000468970/article/nfl-scouting-combine-top-prospects-who-werent-invited



TE Mahina and P Arellano made the list of top prospects not invited to combine.

Well of course Mahina got left off. His own OC forgot that we have tight ends on the team.



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I think the issue with tight ends over the last couple of years has more to do with the QB's throwing to them then the Ocoordinator since Stewart was hitting them regularly after he took over for Hill this year.

BlueIsBetter wrote:
Pretty unsurprising. Looks like another goose egg in the Bronco players to the NFL discussion. Thanks for the info. I hope the best for Alani, and hope some other guys make a practice team.

OR, there was just a very small handful of players who could play at the level of the NFL despite coaching during this past year.



2 sides to every coin.

BroncoBot wrote:

Pretty unsurprising. Looks like another goose egg in the Bronco players to the NFL discussion. Thanks for the info. I hope the best for Alani, and hope some other guys make a practice team.

OR, there was just a very small handful of players who could play at the level of the NFL despite coaching during this past year.



2 sides to every coin.

Recruiting is coaching. Coaching (at the NCAA level) is recruiting.



Either Bronco didn't get the right guys, or he didn't coach them and develop them into nfl players, along with his coordinators. you are right, they are 2 sides of the same coin? Which does it land on when you flip it?



And Howell can't even turn his guys into college football players, much less NFL guys. But that is still on Bronco for hiring a bad, nepotistic, coach and giving him full control of personnel.



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BlueIsBetter wrote:
Pretty unsurprising. Looks like another goose egg in the Bronco players to the NFL discussion. Thanks for the info. I hope the best for Alani, and hope some other guys make a practice team.

OR, there was just a very small handful of players who could play at the level of the NFL despite coaching during this past year.



2 sides to every coin.

Recruiting is coaching. Coaching (at the NCAA level) is recruiting.



Either Bronco didn't get the right guys, or he didn't coach them and develop them into nfl players, along with his coordinators. you are right, they are 2 sides of the same coin? Which does it land on when you flip it?



And Howell can't even turn his guys into college football players, much less NFL guys. But that is still on Bronco for hiring a bad, nepotistic, coach and giving him full control of personnel.



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Agreed. Now, show me who BYU should have recruited who did make it to the combine and you would have a very strong argument. Last years seniors simply weren't that great, leslie was a last minute addition, arrellano a punter and that about rounds out any pro prospects from the seniors.



It was a down year, it happens.

Ahem - there is still BYU pro day where players like former BYU standouts Hadley, Unga and Sorenson had a chance to showcase their skills and all are on NFL teams.



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True but their odds are low to get drafted. Better shot for a camp invite.



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frdbtr wrote:
I think the issue with tight ends over the last couple of years has more to do with the QB's throwing to them then the Ocoordinator since Stewart was hitting them regularly after he took over for Hill this year.

When BYU is running their zone-read option offense (i.e. when Riley Nelson and Taysom Hill are under center) the TE is on the sideline in favor of a quicker slot receiver. A pass-catching TE or a slower guy in the slot is not conducive to the zone-read, and essentially eliminates running that option to the same side of the field as the TE.



When Lark/Stewart came in, suddenly the TE pages of the playbook became relevant again, so suddenly we saw the TE doing what he did under Anae v1.



This is the achilles heel of Anae offense v2 where he is just going to take the best quarterbacks he can get and then after they duke it out in Spring retool the offense to fit the starting QB---how do you sell that to a TE recruit? "Well, sonny boy, we really like you and think BYU could use you if and when QB-D or QB-C becomes our starter, but one of them has to beat out QB-A and QB-B for us to really use you. Until then you'd be a great asset on our scout team or a possible linebacker."

snoscythe wrote:

I think the issue with tight ends over the last couple of years has more to do with the QB's throwing to them then the Ocoordinator since Stewart was hitting them regularly after he took over for Hill this year.

When BYU is running their zone-read option offense (i.e. when Riley Nelson and Taysom Hill are under center) the TE is on the sideline in favor of a quicker slot receiver. A pass-catching TE or a slower guy in the slot is not conducive to the zone-read, and essentially eliminates running that option to the same side of the field as the TE.



When Lark/Stewart came in, suddenly the TE pages of the playbook became relevant again, so suddenly we saw the TE doing what he did under Anae v1.



This is the achilles heel of Anae offense v2 where he is just going to take the best quarterbacks he can get and then after they duke it out in Spring retool the offense to fit the starting QB---how do you sell that to a TE recruit? "Well, sonny boy, we really like you and think BYU could use you if and when QB-D or QB-C becomes our starter, but one of them has to beat out QB-A and QB-B for us to really use you. Until then you'd be a great asset on our scout team or a possible linebacker."

Exactly. Same thing with the offensive line. "We really like your height and ability, but we'd like you to lose about 55 pounds and be able to run 4 quarters nonstop. Since you will be going on your mission first - and gaining another 30 pounds - we are going to need you to lose that too... you should just start taping up those ankles now..."



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The NFL finds talent regardless of what offense is run in college. Case in point with TE's Johnny Harline and Daniel Coats. Harline was a prolific pass catcher who likely had better hands that Pitta. However, he couldn't block very well and was injury prone. Coats had size (NFL body), could block very well and was a serviceable pass catcher. He ended up playing many years in the NFL despite playing behind Harline and not getting as much playing time. It boils down to how well a player fits in the system for the teams needs. I tend to look at outcome which is does the player end up in NFL. The other factor not mentioned much but is significant - age. Some of the BYU players that graduate and have NFL skills are a couple of years older. Teams will select a younger player of similar skill set for potential longevity concerns. I would not be surprised to see Wesley, Leslie, Lasike, Mahina and Fua all be invited to training camps as free agent signees. If they make it, great - they proved that they can play with the big boys. No doubt that future looks brighter for NFL talent based upon last two years if recruiting.



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According to everyone at Indy during his short time there, Harline was an athletic freak who was a lock for an NFL roster spot. Then he ruptured his Achilles and never was the same.



If not for a freak injury (not injury-prone, but a freak injury), I think Harline might still be in the League.

If you're a fringe guy, it's actually probably better to not get picked for the combine for the additional training time before the pro day.

snoscythe wrote:
According to everyone at Indy during his short time there, Harline was an athletic freak who was a lock for an NFL roster spot. Then he ruptured his Achilles and never was the same.



If not for a freak injury (not injury-prone, but a freak injury), I think Harline might still be in the League.

Yes, that's a nasty injury for top level athletes. Even if you come back you are never the same.

BlueIsBetter wrote:

frdbtr wrote:
I think the issue with tight ends over the last couple of years has more to do with the QB's throwing to them then the Ocoordinator since Stewart was hitting them regularly after he took over for Hill this year.

When BYU is running their zone-read option offense (i.e. when Riley Nelson and Taysom Hill are under center) the TE is on the sideline in favor of a quicker slot receiver. A pass-catching TE or a slower guy in the slot is not conducive to the zone-read, and essentially eliminates running that option to the same side of the field as the TE.



When Lark/Stewart came in, suddenly the TE pages of the playbook became relevant again, so suddenly we saw the TE doing what he did under Anae v1.



This is the achilles heel of Anae offense v2 where he is just going to take the best quarterbacks he can get and then after they duke it out in Spring retool the offense to fit the starting QB---how do you sell that to a TE recruit? "Well, sonny boy, we really like you and think BYU could use you if and when QB-D or QB-C becomes our starter, but one of them has to beat out QB-A and QB-B for us to really use you. Until then you'd be a great asset on our scout team or a possible linebacker."

Exactly. Same thing with the offensive line. "We really like your height and ability, but we'd like you to lose about 55 pounds and be able to run 4 quarters nonstop. Since you will be going on your mission first - and gaining another 30 pounds - we are going to need you to lose that too... you should just start taping up those ankles now..."



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THe Flame Thrower! I like it. lol.

I'm not sure which is the worst career-ender, a ruptured Achilles, or an ACL. Either one loses the spring in your step for life.



A bit off topic, but I'm still horrified by the fact Collie is still trying to make it with an athletic career, now in the CFL. If he keeps it up with getting head injuries, he will have no memory and dementia very young. It sounds weird to say, but I would hate to be his wife. He's a time bomb of issues and needs to just get a real job or coach or something else, a la Riley Nelson, Margin Hooks, or anyone with a brain for that matter.



I get the idea of working your tail off for a shot as an undrafted free agent. Leslie, Wesley, Arellano, Lasike, and Mahina each have a legit shot. Maybe Mitch Matthews? He's so lanky, I dunno. Maybe Zac Stout? Probably too short, but who knows.



Part of me would be surprised if Arellano did not make a roster spot. That kid can boom it (set school record), or pin it under the 20, and helped BYU time and time again. There's a spot for him somewhere.



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TulaneVandyRiceCoug wrote:
I'm not sure which is the worst career-ender, a ruptured Achilles, or an ACL. Either one loses the spring in your step for life.



A bit off topic, but I'm still horrified by the fact Collie is still trying to make it with an athletic career, now in the CFL. If he keeps it up with getting head injuries, he will have no memory and dementia very young. It sounds weird to say, but I would hate to be his wife. He's a time bomb of issues and needs to just get a real job or coach or something else, a la Riley Nelson, Margin Hooks, or anyone with a brain for that matter.



I get the idea of working your tail off for a shot as an undrafted free agent. Leslie, Wesley, Arellano, Lasike, and Mahina each have a legit shot. Maybe Mitch Matthews? He's so lanky, I dunno. Maybe Zac Stout? Probably too short, but who knows.



Part of me would be surprised if Arellano did not make a roster spot. That kid can boom it (set school record), or pin it under the 20, and helped BYU time and time again. There's a spot for him somewhere.



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Achilles is much worse...people are coming back from ACL's in 5 or 6 months now, with as much bounce as they've ever had. I'm not sure I can think of anyone off the top of my head that's successfully come back from an Achilles injury (Kobe being the most recent casualty).



With Collie, he had a 2 year run with head injuries. He's played 2 or 3 years since without another one. He's had other injuries that have shortened his seasons, but has been concussion free for awhile, remarkably...