Give Anson Winder more minutes

More minutes for Anson is better for BYU in the short and long term this season. Guy is playing great basketball.

Amen.



Should be our starting PG. Been the most consistent player on the team aside from Haws. Only one that could work over EKU's press and he was splitting defenders like they were tomatoes.



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Amen.

The only problem is you have to bring Fischer off the bench but he is a team captain. Maybe you start Fischer but sub Winder in early.

He is playing starter's minutes, 24.6 mpg, which is 3rd highest on the team. He seems to be thriving in his role and every team needs that spark off the bench. Leave it alone for now.

He's earned his minutes.

Maybe start four guards and Austin, if match ups are ok.



Winder at point, Fischer at 2, Haws 3, Collinsworth 4 and Austin 5..



But I do like having his spark off the bench.

Winder:

14 pts/game; 4.3 rebounds/game; 1.4 assists/game (0.9 turnovers); 1.1 steals/game; FG% .576; 3P% .565.



Halford:

5.7 pts/game; 0.5 rebounds/game; 3.2 assists/game (2.0 turnovers); 0.3 steals/game; FG% .407; 3P% .375



Fischer:

16.3 pts/game; 2.1 rebounds/game; 2.6 assists/game (2.0 turnovers); 0.7 steals/game; FG% .475; 3P% .450.



Percentage wise, Winder is a better shooter than Fischer. He's a better defender as measured by steals. Rebounds better and his assists to turnover ratio is better as well.



Fischer is getting about 5 min more a game than Winder. IMO, it should be the other way around.



Yes, Fischer burnt it up from the arc a few times, but so far Fischer is very hot and cold, dropping a bunch of points one night and going 2 - 14 the next night. Winder on the other hand has been extremely consistent and is scoring in multiple ways.

I think most of us agree Winder has played better than Fischer and deserves minutes. But once you make a guy a captain or a starter you have to be careful about benching him.



This team has pretty good chemistry right now. I don't think we want to mess with it yet.

Qman wrote:
I think most of us agree Winder has played better than Fischer and deserves minutes. But once you make a guy a captain or a starter you have to be careful about benching him.



This team has pretty good chemistry right now. I don't think we want to mess with it yet.

Fair enough.



For the record, Carlino was a team captain...

Gunk wrote:

I think most of us agree Winder has played better than Fischer and deserves minutes. But once you make a guy a captain or a starter you have to be careful about benching him.



This team has pretty good chemistry right now. I don't think we want to mess with it yet.

Fair enough.



For the record, Carlino was a team captain...

True and it took 4-6 terrible games in a row before he got benched.

I don't care what the stats are (though I would guess they lean in Winder's favor)--all I know is that as I've watch the game, the eye test tells me that this team plays much better on both ends of the floor when Anson is out there.



Take him out, and the team becomes more static, less dynamic--again, on both ends of the floor.

snoscythe wrote:
I don't care what the stats are (though I would guess they lean in Winder's favor)--all I know is that as I've watch the game, the eye test tells me that this team plays much better on both ends of the floor when Anson is out there.



Take him out, and the team becomes more static, less dynamic--again, on both ends of the floor.

He is our best player against the better teams. He was in most of the game vs SDSU iirc and it made a huge difference. My opinion is that BYU typically does not have any guard penetration whatsoever, which is what makes our half-court offense so bad sometimes. But with Anson he can actually get to the hole and kick out passes. And since this team can actually shoot that makes him the best pg available.

The stats show that Winder is the 3rd best player on the team and is the most consistent player with only 1 game not in the category of "decent" or better.


BYU PER 2014-12-02.PNG

If we want to compare Fischer to Winder:



Fischer has played 207 minutes for a PER/Min of 0.47

Winder has played 172 minutes for a PER/Min of 0.69



Winder has contributed more in less time. But each has their role...I'm not necessarily saying start Winder in place of Fischer, but Winder definitely deserves more minutes.

Winder is a great example of a player who has gotten better each year in the program.



Anyone who thinks BYU coaches can't develop players need look no further than Anson Winder that such a notion is false.

byufan4ever wrote:
The stats show that Winder is the 3rd best player on the team and is the most consistent player with only 1 game not in the category of "decent" or better.


BYU PER 2014-12-02.PNG

If we want to compare Fischer to Winder:



Fischer has played 207 minutes for a PER/Min of 0.47

Winder has played 172 minutes for a PER/Min of 0.69



Winder has contributed more in less time. But each has their role...I'm not necessarily saying start Winder in place of Fischer, but Winder definitely deserves more minutes.

Thanks for posting your ratings. It's hard to dispute giving Winder more time.



Basketball is not a single phase game. While I appreciate a guy getting a lot of points in a game I appreciate more a guy that's willing to give up some of the scoring for a more rounded game. I'd rather see someone consistently handling and distributing the ball than having a big scoring game every 4 to 6 games. Maybe Winder could be that guy.

nuk13 wrote:

The stats show that Winder is the 3rd best player on the team and is the most consistent player with only 1 game not in the category of "decent" or better.


BYU PER 2014-12-02.PNG

If we want to compare Fischer to Winder:



Fischer has played 207 minutes for a PER/Min of 0.47

Winder has played 172 minutes for a PER/Min of 0.69



Winder has contributed more in less time. But each has their role...I'm not necessarily saying start Winder in place of Fischer, but Winder definitely deserves more minutes.

Thanks for posting your ratings. It's hard to dispute giving Winder more time.



Basketball is not a single phase game. While I appreciate a guy getting a lot of points in a game I appreciate more a guy that's willing to give up some of the scoring for a more rounded game. I'd rather see someone consistently handling and distributing the ball than having a big scoring game every 4 to 6 games. Maybe Winder could be that guy.

Winder and KC are fill-up-the-stats-sheet kind of players. They aren't one dimensional. Those players are not only key pieces of a team, but give opposing defenses headaches. You can't take them out of a game.

Winder and Halford have both been big contributors to this second half run against USU. It's nice having to argue about who should be starting due to there actually being depth on this team. Really nice game the cougs put together in Logan.

Winder is now the 2nd leading scorer on the team.

I don't care if he starts or comes off the bench, he's getting good minutes, deservedly so.

He should continue to get starters minutes and be on the floor at the end of the game.



Surprisingly, Hanford finally played a really good game against USU. He made a huge impact, especially on defense. We needed his defensive disruption.