Where Does Healthy Taysom Get Us?

Assume all other injuries, suspensions, etc. are the same.



Just curious with all the heat the coaches and players are taking, how you think one player might affect the season.



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I went 8-0. I think Hill would've made enough of a difference to win the first 3, and with 7-0 confidence going into BSU, I think that turns out much differently than it did going in on a 3 game skid.



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snoscythe wrote:
I went 8-0. I think Hill would've made enough of a difference to win the first 3, and with 7-0 confidence going into BSU, I think that turns out much differently than it did going in on a 3 game skid.



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Ditto. I don't think we lose any of those games. I think we try and console ourselves to say that we would have lost some anyway, but the defense was playing pretty well until Taysom went down. That sucked the life/heart out of the team. We have been trying to get it back ever since.

When is the last time a BYU offense scored >50 points?

I think BSU beats us anyway. But I don't see Nevada, USU, and UCF beating us with Taysom.

Since BYU was losing to USU at the time of the injury, i think that goes as a loss. BYus D couldnt stop the pass.

BYU beats UCF And UNR.

But loses to BSU, bc of all the injuries and inexperience. The Hill factor cant overcome a depleted D that was just bad, bad.

6-2

I went 7-1. BYU doesn't go in down 14 at half against USU with him and definitely doesn't give up 14 point leads in the other two games. BSU was on fire that night...I put it down as a loss, but it would have been much, much closer.

Since BYU was losing to USU at the time of the injury, i think that goes as a loss. BYus D couldnt stop the pass.

BYU beats UCF And UNR.

But loses to BSU, bc of all the injuries and inexperience. The Hill factor cant overcome a depleted D that was just bad, bad.

6-2

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Since BYU was losing to USU at the time of the injury, i think that goes as a loss. BYus D couldnt stop the pass.

BYU beats UCF And UNR.

But loses to BSU, bc of all the injuries and inexperience. The Hill factor cant overcome a depleted D that was just bad, bad.

6-2

BYU was about to cross mid field with over 2 minutes left on the clock. The worst they would have been down at half was 4 points (probably would have been tied, it's not like USU was stopping BYU in that game up to that point either). BYU held USU to 7 points in the 2nd half. They would have ended with 28 points. You don't think Taysom gets us 8 more points than we scored?

I voted 6-2. I think USU had our number that night and BYU would have also lost to BSU. I don't think BYU loses to UCF or Nevada with Taysom hill. No way we give up those leads with him in the game.

I think 8-0 as well



Food for thought. Probably the worst thing that could have happened against USU was scoring on 3-4 plays that first drive. I think they went into desperation mode right off the bat, which meant throwing a lot of long passes, and it worked all night. Unfortunately BYU's achilles heel has been giving up the "big play" this season. Whether it's a 2nd down and short that turns into a 40 yard pass, or a 3 and long that is unbelievably converted (again). It's been hard to watch. BUT, I think that simply having Taysom around would have decreased the frequency of those big plays, probably enough to keep the defense playing with confidence and keeping BYU undefeated.

And that pretty much sums up the problem with this team, this OC, and Taysom. Let's stand around and watch him make plays. The mighty Taysom (Casey) at the bat. Not ripping on THill. But he does have to play smarter, that is if he ever plays again, let alone for BYU.

7 - 1



Hill would have kept up with USU, we wouldn't have started flat against UCF and we would have had a couple more touchdowns vs Nevada, although I am not sure we would have had those passing TDs.



BSU had our number.



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BYU beats Boise with Taysom Hill. First quarter BYU scores instead of doing nothing offensively. Second quarter, BYU scores instead of throwing and interception late in the half. Third quarter, BYU isn't already 25 points down, they may still be down; however, the size of the problem is manageable. An 11 point lead with BYU getting the ball first in the second half would have made that game manageable. In fact, BYU might have pulled out a win without Taysom Hill if they could have figured a way to score after the safety instead of throwing an interception that cost them another 7 points. This size of the problem was too big for BYU to fully swing the momentum. With just a little more first half offense, the size of the problem would have been smaller. The weakness that BYU had against Boise was the inability to overcome the big play lapses on defense. Had BYU started with a Taysom Hill offense, this game might have been a high scoring affair; however, BYU comes out with a win.

I picked 7-1. Loss to BSU. My next choice would be 6-2 losing to USU. He would have made a difference. The is why he was the starter and getting Heisman mention.



If he ever becomes a consistent threat to go over the top, he will win the Heisman.



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I vote 8-0. TH just has to big of an impact on the flow of any game. Not only can he single-handedly take over any drive, but he can set the psychological tone for both teams. He gets in the heads of the opponent's OFFENSE as well as their defense. The opponent's offensive players are sitting on the sideline knowing that their defense can't control TH and that does some work on their psyche as they watch their team's D get Taysom-Handled for 80 yards, either through a methodical, well-executed drive or through a 1-3 play drive that ends in a 50+ yard ESPN highlight Taysom run.



The thing with players like TH, Detmer, Steve Young, McMahon, etc is they could/can take over a game that is played with 22 guys on the field, each of which has an essential role. Being able to control the momentum of that system is VERY rare.



Basketball has a lot of guys that can take over a game pretty quickly, since all it takes is a ball-hog and a hot hand. But taking over a football game is like trying to be the soldier that single-handedly determined the outcome at Normandy.



Even more impressive are non-QB offensive players that could take over games, like Jerry Rice or Barry Sanders. And above all are the defensive players that can consistently disrupt the coordinated efforts of 11 highly trained athletes running plays that are usually specifically designed in some way to keep that particular defensive player out of the play. Guys like KVN, JJ Watt and above all Lawrence Taylor -- the most disruptive defensive player with a gift for taking over a game ever to play the game.





Taysom HIll, if he can stop getting season ending injuries, will be a take-control-of-any-game-at-any-given-time kind of player. And we will see him in Super Bowls as a result. ****Of course he has a LOT to learn about reading defenses, throwing mechanics, avoiding injuries, etc.....but he has that very special gift that makes him unstoppable when he puts his mind to it. That can't be taught. And can't be stopped.****



Thus, 8-0 is my vote.