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It's been 10 years and I think I've seen enough

by KingCoug · 10/4/2014

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KingCoug
Last night was the final nail in the coffin for me as far as Bronco being HC. And lest anyone accuse me of getting too dramatic or overreacting after one game, the 4 straight losses to Utah already had me 90% of the way there. And I stayed on the Bronco bandwagon, often defending him on these forums, longer than many.



Nick Howell is a turd who deserves to be fired and never coach anywhere again. But to just use him as the fall guy for last night's debacle is to miss the bigger picture. Bronco, who apparently learned nothing after Jamie Hill, is the one who put him in that position. Bronco always uses terms like "fully invested." Well, a HC who is fully invested (BESIDES LOSING TO HIS ARCH RIVAL 4 TIMES IN A ROW) DOES NOT LOSE AT HOME, AFTER A BYE WEEK, TO A 2-2 UTAH STATE TEAM WHO LOST TO ARKANSAS STATE.



At least after the FSU loss in 2009 we could say they were superior athletes. What's the excuse for this? What was the team doing for the last two weeks? Just sitting around, reading and buying into their own headlines, and thinking they could just sleepwalk through this game and they'd get the win? A fully invested HC doesn't allow that to happen. A fully invested HC doesn't allow his team to get pushed around like an abused wife by the opposing team's players.



I hate to say it, and I really do wish otherwise, but Bronco truly is fool's gold as HC. He's a great DC but only a good HC. I don't see him ever getting us past that 10-3 or 11-2 ceiling. He hasn't been hungry, for lack of a better word, since the first few years of his tenure as HC at BYU. He's not a gamer who won't find himself getting beat by at least 1 or 2 opponents each year. He won't get us to an undefeated season, even when it's there for the taking like it was this year.



Who will be HC instead? That's Tom Holmoe's job. Not mine. But I'm done setting my hopes on Bronco. Maybe let him coach next year, before Taysom and Jamal graduate, but that's it.
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MTM
Change a few words and this sounds like UteFans.net last Saturday night. :~(
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KingCoug
MTM wrote:
Change a few words and this sounds like UteFans.net last Saturday night. :~(


The Ute loss to Washington State was far more forgivable than this. The Utes at least lost to a "Power 5" team by the smallest of margins. We didn't just lose, we got smacked in the face by friggin' Utah State.
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Cougs_Rule
Nope. Not even close. Maybe you are giving up. Your choice. But there ain't nothin better out there to meet all of the demands of the BYU HC job.

Now, I do agree that bronco needs take back the DC job. But, I will grant you that it's not just defensive scheme and even calls--he's not that removed from Howell. The BIG issues are that one! there isn't a lot of discipline on this team! penalties! mental mistakes, etc, AND yes, it looks like bronco does not know how to lead an undefeated season.
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mormonrasta
KingCoug wrote:
Last night was the final nail in the coffin for me as far as Bronco being HC. And lest anyone accuse me of getting too dramatic or overreacting after one game, the 4 straight losses to Utah already had me 90% of the way there. And I stayed on the Bronco bandwagon, often defending him on these forums, longer than many.



Nick Howell is a turd who deserves to be fired and never coach anywhere again. But to just use him as the fall guy for last night's debacle is to miss the bigger picture. Bronco, who apparently learned nothing after Jamie Hill, is the one who put him in that position. Bronco always uses terms like "fully invested." Well, a HC who is fully invested (BESIDES LOSING TO HIS ARCH RIVAL 4 TIMES IN A ROW) DOES NOT LOSE AT HOME, AFTER A BYE WEEK, TO A 2-2 UTAH STATE TEAM WHO LOST TO ARKANSAS STATE.



At least after the FSU loss in 2009 we could say they were superior athletes. What's the excuse for this? What was the team doing for the last two weeks? Just sitting around, reading and buying into their own headlines, and thinking they could just sleepwalk through this game and they'd get the win? A fully invested HC doesn't allow that to happen. A fully invested HC doesn't allow his team to get pushed around like an abused wife by the opposing team's players.



I hate to say it, and I really do wish otherwise, but Bronco truly is fool's gold as HC. He's a great DC but only a good HC. I don't see him ever getting us past that 10-3 or 11-2 ceiling. He hasn't been hungry, for lack of a better word, since the first few years of his tenure as HC at BYU. He's not a gamer who won't find himself getting beat by at least 1 or 2 opponents each year. He won't get us to an undefeated season, even when it's there for the taking like it was this year.



Who will be HC instead? That's Tom Holmoe's job. Not mine. But I'm done setting my hopes on Bronco. Maybe let him coach next year, before Taysom and Jamal graduate, but that's it.


To review you don't want a good HC you need a great one. You want undefeated or 1 loss seasons with middle of the road recruits 2/3 of which serve missions. Got it. Seems perfectly reasonable.



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I am fine with us dropping a couple of games a season, but they absolutely should not be against Utah State. Lose a game to a top 25 or top 50 school, fine. Losing repeatedly to Pac 12 bottom dweller Utah and middle of the row MWC schools is inexcusable, especially if the goal is a national championship.



It's like he doesn't care. Be mad that you can't beat Utah State, Bronco, and do something about. In the last 5 years have we even been able to say with confidence that BYU is the best team in Utah? Nope, and that should piss people off. How are we to compete with the nation's top teams if we can't compete with the state of Utah's top teams.



Sadly, I don't think BYU could find a better HC or OC.



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beauso79
Being how difficult it would be to find a HC for BYU I'll bet that Coach Anae is probably next in line as HC so be careful what you wish for. Maybe Sitake would join him
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BroncoBot
I think you're getting too dramatic or overreacting after 10 years of pretty darn good football. BYU has had a lot of recognition during that time period. And basically, BYU is a glorified USU. Losing to them is tough, but they are a better team than you are giving them credit for. P5 or not, they came to play last night.
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Cougs_Rule
They are not and have not shown that they are a better team than giving credit for. They did play out of their heads with passion and a better scheme than BYUs. It's totally inexcusable to lose to this usu team.

BYU is now the littlest brother in the state. Think about that you BYU players who thought you were top ten material.
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KingCoug
Cougs_Rule wrote:
Nope. Not even close. Maybe you are giving up. Your choice. But there ain't nothin better out there to meet all of the demands of the BYU HC job.

Now, I do agree that bronco needs take back the DC job. But, I will grant you that it's not just defensive scheme and even calls--he's not that removed from Howell. The BIG issues are that one! there isn't a lot of discipline on this team! penalties! mental mistakes, etc, AND yes, it looks like bronco does not know how to lead an undefeated season.


You just made part of my point for me - penalties, mental mistakes, lack of discipline. We've seen this week after week this season with no change or improvement. And that is a huge failure on the part of the coaching staff. When you can't consistently compete with many of the Power 5 teams in recruiting - which Utah State isn't by a long shot - you have to make up for it in superior preparation, scheme, and discipline. Where is it? Where is the "execution" Bronco is always talking about? Why is the best all around team Bronco has been the HC of the 2006 team? Why was that our peak?


mormonrasta wrote:

To review you don't want a good HC you need a great one. You want undefeated or 1 loss seasons with middle of the road recruits 2/3 of which serve missions. Got it. Seems perfectly reasonable.



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No, sir, I want to go undefeated in a season (singular) like this one where we have the team and schedule to do so. And not get embarrassed by the likes of Utah State in our own house due to Bronco and Co. being woefully unprepared yet again.


Gunk wrote:
I am fine with us dropping a couple of games a season, but they absolutely should not be against Utah State. Lose a game to a top 25 or top 50 school, fine. Losing repeatedly to Pac 12 bottom dweller Utah and middle of the row MWC schools is inexcusable, especially if the goal is a national championship.



It's like he doesn't care. Be mad that you can't beat Utah State, Bronco, and do something about. In the last 5 years have we even been able to say with confidence that BYU is the best team in Utah? Nope, and that should piss people off. How are we to compete with the nation's top teams if we can't compete with the state of Utah's top teams.



Sadly, I don't think BYU could find a better HC or OC.



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That's just it - he doesn't care. At least not as much as he should. Bronco claims nobody wants to win more than he does but what we've seen on the field suggests otherwise. Say what you want about Whittingham (I hate his guts) but he'd never allow his team to get beat by their arch rival 4 times in a row.


beauso79 wrote:
Being how difficult it would be to find a HC for BYU I'll bet that Coach Anae is probably next in line as HC so be careful what you wish for. Maybe Sitake would join him


To be clear, I certainly don't want Anae as HC. While Bronco is at least a great DC, Anae is only a good OC. I can't see him being HC as any kind of improvement.



And speaking of being careful what you wish for, that's good advice for those BYU fans who are sure us going to the Big 12 is the answer. While all three teams were in the MWC, we went 3-6 against Utah and 2-4 against TCU and look how they've done since the change. Does anyone think we'd do any better, especially with this coaching staff?


BroncoBot wrote:
I think you're getting too dramatic or overreacting after 10 years of pretty darn good football. BYU has had a lot of recognition during that time period. And basically, BYU is a glorified USU. Losing to them is tough, but they are a better team than you are giving them credit for. P5 or not, they came to play last night.


10 years of pretty darn good football? It's been a case of increasingly diminishing returns. There was a time we could at least get a conference championship, have at least a 50-50 chance of beating Utah, and consistently get a 10 or 11 win season. Those days are long gone.



USU a better team than I'm giving them credit for? Watch them play the rest of the rest of the year. They won't play another game like they did last night. Yes, they came to play. And we should have been ready for them and still won handily. But Bronco and Co. were caught with their pants down and allowed the team to get beaten like a baby seal. There is no excuse. None.
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Cougs_Rule wrote:
They are not and have not shown that they are a better team than giving credit for. They did play out of their heads with passion and a better scheme than BYUs. It's totally inexcusable to lose to this usu team.

BYU is now the littlest brother in the state. Think about that you BYU players who thought you were top ten material.

The loss to the Aggies last night was atrocious for so many different reasons. It was not a pleasant experience watching the debacle in person. The half-time tribute to Jimmy Mac was awesome. Watching the video montage of him throwing to those old school receivers had me pining for the good ol' days. Is this season lost? I don't think so. The next 3 games are against good programs and wins will ease the sting everyone feels today. Is BYU the littlest brother in the state? Maybe today, but 4 losses to the Aggies against like 30 some odd wins since 1975 leads me to believe otherwise. I doubt Alabama considers themselves to be Ol' Miss little brother despite losing today. I know USU isn't #11 Ol' Miss, but BYU isn't Alabama either. Keep the faith Loyal Cougars!
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