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The Unthinkable Friday

by Yzzazz · 9/30/2014

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Yzzazz
I post on the optimist thread. Long ago I started the church of the undefeated season. No one should confuse this post with any unnecessary criticism of BYU's football team or its program. BYU is 4-0 and soon to be 5-0, surely. The question about the win is merely one of degree, not eventuality. I know that and so do you.



What could go wrong?



From the book, "Murphy's Law, the 26th anniversary edition," comes this little gem:



Chisholm's first law:

When things are going well, something will go wrong.

Second Corollary:

Anytime things appear to be going better, you have overlooked something.



Well what could go wrong in the game against the Aggies? I can think of three things.



1. Chuckie Keeton doesn't show up



So it turns out this Darell Garettson is a decent QB. His game against Arkansas State (stop laughing!) was 268 yards and two touchdowns and a tie game. The problem for BYU fan is that you can't really dismiss the fact that he did this in his first full length away game. He's still got some work to do, but a kid like this can improve quite a bit between game one and game two. Meanwhile BYU is trying to game play for either he or Keeton--which is the first good call by Wells, the coach of the aggies, to keep BYU guessing right up to the last minute. Of course Keeton won't play, but USU will hope the uncertainty gives them some help. Heaven knows they'll need all they can get, but it might not take that much help. Darell gets all the practice snaps and is now in charge of the offense. He may move the chains against a bend-but-don't-break Nick Howell defense. But if that's the only thing the cougars think to worry about, they'd be wrong.



2. JoJo Natson has a break out game.



So this cat is averaging 8.6 yards per catch on 20 receptions, and 9.3 yards on 17 kick returns. He's only 5'7'' so you think he's no threat. He may go unnoticed in the game plan. But with stats like those he won't go unnoticed in the game's outcome if the cougs are not paying attention. If this guy breaks one loose on special teams and gets behind a napping cougar secondary, it could put USU in the game to stay. Here's a stat lost in the dust of last week's disappointing OT loss for the Aggies: the team forced FOUR turnovers. Throw in a turnover margin of + 2 and BYU will begin to know how the Utes felt last week late in their unloseable game.



Now those two things are long shot, to be sure, but maybe not as long as you think. Here is something that is not a long shot...



3. Coach Weber scouts our O-line for the Ag defense.



We are only two years removed from when Weber coached at BYU. He knows the team from the inside out and he will help USU be ready in ways that BYU won't expect. The Aggie defense could find themselves with inexplicably successful penetration, getting to Hill multiple times and attacking the cougs in ways no one else has been able to. The pass defense always looks great when the sack count rises. A flat-on-his-back Hill is a flat out recipe for a win in Provo, so you have to think----



S T O P !

S T O P T H E M A D N E S S ! !



I give up!! I cannot hold back the laughter as I write this! I will go crazy if I type one more word of pro-aggie argument in this post! No matter how hard I try, for me, losing to Utah State is LITERALLY ... unthinkable!



BYU + 30
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Ygridiron4ever
I must say that the first two times you provided long and well- thought arguments for a BYU loss I was a little concerned. I haven't viewed your past posts to be under the influence of either positive or negative personal bias.



Now I have come to view these as a good luck ritual, and am relieved to see this post today. So far when YZAZZ presents an argument for a BYU loss, we are 4-0.



Well done!
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SpiffCoug
#1

It wasn't Garretson's first road game. He played in three road games, plus the bowl game last year. And he got worse just about each outing. He only threw for 200 yards once in those four non-Logan games. He only met the PER standard once on the road. Counting the ASU game, he's career road PER is 119.57.



But he is a dual threat with 37 carries for -29 yards in those road games. So there is that.



#2

Bronco is 6-1 against Utah State. They have run for 1,115 yards on 277 carries in those seven games. That's 159.3 yards per game and 4.0 yards per carry. But in the last two years it's 115.5 ypg and 3.9 ypc. They have only had more than 400 yards of offense twice in those seven games and are averaging just 14.7 points. Bronco knows how to defense USU. With Keeton out, they're going to rely on JoJo. So BYU will focus on containing him and they will.



You also mentioned turnovers. USU has 13 turnovers against Bronco. With 5 in the last two years.



#3

Coach Weber knows nothing about this team. It is nothing like what it was when he left. It certainly did help last year when BYU beat them soundly and it could have been worse.



Yeah, I'm iwth you. I don't see any way that Utah State can win this game.
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Yzzazz
SpiffCoug wrote:
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But he is a dual threat with 37 carries for -29 yards in those road games. So there is that.



...


Poetry.
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Cougarbib
We can't imagine USU winning this game even if they give me my first concussion and Gordon a career ending knee injury..............wait. ......





Signed



Steve Young and Gordon Hudson
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Cougarbib
Cougarbib wrote:
We can't imagine USU winning this game even if they give me my first concussion and Gordon a career ending knee injury..............wait. ......





Signed



Steve Young and Gordon Hudson




I agree with Steve and Gordon. They could give me another early season ending knee injury and we will win this one by at least one point.



Signed



Taysom Hill
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TulaneVandyRiceCoug
This thread is an awesome read, well done gentlemen. I love this game, baby! Byu O having their way during primetime, on ESPN. Briiiiiiing it!!!!!!



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Cougs_Rule
I keep telling you knuckleheads that it is not about the win. It is about whether or not BYU has a convincing win. This should be a Cougar domi-Nation and either the players or Bronco will take their foot off the accelerator and it will be too close.

Again, I'm hoping after hearing the bye week hype of hard work that this team lives up to it, but their trend of two games in a row of accepting a W vs dominating, has me concerned.
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scott715
They need to jump ahead early in each game. For this one, I want to see a lot of bench players play and see what they got.
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vancouvercougar
Cougs_Rule wrote:
I keep telling you knuckleheads that it is not about the win. It is about whether or not BYU has a convincing win. This should be a Cougar domi-Nation and either the players or Bronco will take their foot off the accelerator and it will be too close.

Again, I'm hoping after hearing the bye week hype of hard work that this team lives up to it, but their trend of two games in a row of accepting a W vs dominating, has me concerned.


YOu have to keep your foot on the accelerator with USU. If we have a 3 TD lead and give up a TD in the 4th quarter, the aggie fans will think they have won and flip us a double bird.
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SpiffCoug
vancouvercougar wrote:
I keep telling you knuckleheads that it is not about the win. It is about whether or not BYU has a convincing win. This should be a Cougar domi-Nation and either the players or Bronco will take their foot off the accelerator and it will be too close.

Again, I'm hoping after hearing the bye week hype of hard work that this team lives up to it, but their trend of two games in a row of accepting a W vs dominating, has me concerned.


YOu have to keep your foot on the accelerator with USU. If we have a 3 TD lead and give up a TD in the 4th quarter, the aggie fans will think they have won and flip us a double bird.

Failing to keep our foot on the accelerator against USU is, IMO, what derailed the 2008 season. They thought they were hot stuff. They went up 24-0 shortly after the 1st Quarter ended.



But they got outscored 14-10 the rest of the way. I think BYU quit playing hard. And it showed. They were on their way to 5-0 and had beat their last three opponents 137-14. They followed up the USU win with a very lackluster performance against UNM winning just 21-3. UNM finised 4-8.



Then came the TCU game and we laid a complete egg. We weren't nearly as good as we thought we were. Sure we had beaten the five previous opponed 184-44 but they finished with a combined 15 wins (none with more than four).



I think had we not taken our foot off the accelrator vs USU we would have played better against UNM and probably approaced the TCU game with a different mindset.
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Cougarbib
Spiff



Do you really think BYU underestimated TCU? IMHO, TCU was a much better team and took it to us. I worry about the opposite. When BYU puts a butt whoopin on WAC and MWC dregs over the years. The team and the fans erroneously assume they can roll over good teams as well.



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SpiffCoug
Cougarbib wrote:
Spiff



Do you really think BYU underestimated TCU? IMHO, TCU was a much better team and took it to us. I worry about the opposite. When BYU puts a butt whoopin on WAC and MWC dregs over the years. The team and the fans erroneously assume they can roll over good teams as well.



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No, I don't think they underestimated TCU. But I think that BYU didn't approach that game with the right mindset. I think BYU thought they were all-world. That their "Quest for Perfection" was going to happen. They had smoked just about every team they had played going into that game. They were on a huge roll (146-17 over last four games) and didn't think TCU was gonig to be as good as them.



BYU had beaten TCU the last two times and won in Ft. Worth in 2006. I don't think they underestimated TCU as much as they overestimated how good they were and severely underestimated how much TCU wanted that game. BYU had bought into their hype.
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Jarhead
SpiffCoug wrote:
Spiff



Do you really think BYU underestimated TCU? IMHO, TCU was a much better team and took it to us. I worry about the opposite. When BYU puts a butt whoopin on WAC and MWC dregs over the years. The team and the fans erroneously assume they can roll over good teams as well.



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No, I don't think they underestimated TCU. But I think that BYU didn't approach that game with the right mindset. I think BYU thought they were all-world. That their "Quest for Perfection" was going to happen. They had smoked just about every team they had played going into that game. They were on a huge roll (146-17 over last four games) and didn't think TCU was gonig to be as good as them.



BYU had beaten TCU the last two times and won in Ft. Worth in 2006. I don't think they underestimated TCU as much as they overestimated how good they were and severely underestimated how much TCU wanted that game. BYU had bought into their hype.


I was at that TCU game. It felt like we played the entire game with a severe lack of urgency.
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BroncoBot
Jarhead wrote:
Cougarbib wrote:
Spiff



Do you really think BYU underestimated TCU? IMHO, TCU was a much better team and took it to us. I worry about the opposite. When BYU puts a butt whoopin on WAC and MWC dregs over the years. The team and the fans erroneously assume they can roll over good teams as well.



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No, I don't think they underestimated TCU. But I think that BYU didn't approach that game with the right mindset. I think BYU thought they were all-world. That their "Quest for Perfection" was going to happen. They had smoked just about every team they had played going into that game. They were on a huge roll (146-17 over last four games) and didn't think TCU was gonig to be as good as them.



BYU had beaten TCU the last two times and won in Ft. Worth in 2006. I don't think they underestimated TCU as much as they overestimated how good they were and severely underestimated how much TCU wanted that game. BYU had bought into their hype.


I was at that TCU game. It felt like we played the entire game with a severe lack of urgency.

Remember that game. watched it in Houston with a big group of BYU supporters. Ugly night for BYU.
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Cougarbib
Spiff



This is what happened re TCU in 2008. Simple really. They were quite a bit better than BYU.



They beat Stanford and a highly ranked Boise State team that year in addition to beating BYU that season enroute to 11-2 record and #7 final ranking.



Sure they lost 2 games.



Utah beat them in a close game. Utah also beat BYU. Utah went undefeated and ranked #2 after slaughtering Alabama.



Oklahoma beat them. Oklahoma was ranked #2 at the time.



It was simple. TCU was a much better team.



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redneckjedi
I don't think it was us taking our foot off the gas in 2008. It was at their place, and their fans got loud and ugly, and kept their team in it.



The TCU loss was something we should have seen coming, even back in 2007. Gary Patterson was gradually getting more talent and more experience with Anae's offense, and it showed. Look at the points TCU allowed us in regulation, from 2005 to 2010: 44, 31, 27, 7, 7, 3. And from 2008 onward, the TCU game was always by far our worst offensive output. They had that game circled every year, and tailored their schemes to defeat ours, and we didn't counter.
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Cougarbib
redneckjedi wrote:
I don't think it was us taking our foot off the gas in 2008. It was at their place, and their fans got loud and ugly, and kept their team in it.



The TCU loss was something we should have seen coming, even back in 2007. Gary Patterson was gradually getting more talent and more experience with Anae's offense, and it showed. Look at the points TCU allowed us in regulation, from 2005 to 2010: 44, 31, 27, 7, 7, 3. And from 2008 onward, the TCU game was always by far our worst offensive output. They had that game circled every year, and tailored their schemes to defeat ours, and we didn't counter.

correlate that to where the TCU defense was ranked each year and that trend will become clearer. TCU has not always been good. Then they started to get better and better and better against everyone. It is not like they lost to a bunch of bad teams and then rose up to upset BYU.



We did not beat anyone of note in 2008. We were not a great team. We were a good team with a soft schedule.
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redneckjedi
Cougarbib wrote:
We did not beat anyone of note in 2008. We were not a great team. We were a good team with a soft schedule.


You can say the exact same thing of TCU in 2008, with the lone exception of their bowl win over Boise, and the same thing about Boise with the lone exception of a win over a 3-loss Oregon team. Patterson knew exactly what Anae was going to do before he did it, and how to stop it. 6 teams on TCU's schedule scored more than we did, including UNLV, Air Force, and a 5-7 Stanford squad.
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BroncoBot
I officially hate you Yzzazz ;)
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