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BYU's offensive line

by frdbtr · 9/7/2014

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frdbtr
So one of the biggest question marks coming into the season was offensive line. I think that some questions have been answered in this game. Texas may be down offensively but their defense has some really good lineman and our Oline played really well against them. I think this Oline is playing much better than last year and if it keeps improving, we could see something really exciting this year.
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Cougs_Rule
Yes. Much improved. And THill kept this from being a bad night for the Oline. They were getting blown up on some drives. THill = Jimmer. Which covers a lot of sins. 6 sacks? Yes T Hill held ball too long sometimes, but Yes they need to keep improving. But, then again, I'm not sure we see a better Dline remainder of season.
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Gunk
The Oline is better, but there were some series there where they got pushed around quite a bit. I think the offense would have benefited early on from some shorter routes. Seemed the pass pays often took too long to develop and against a better d-line our OL wasn't able to hold the pocket like they did against UConn. I don't think this was so much the OL's fault - Texas has some beasts up front -but the wrong plays being called.



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frdbtr
Gunk wrote:
The Oline is better, but there were some series there where they got pushed around quite a bit. I think the offense would have benefited early on from some shorter routes. Seemed the pass pays often took too long to develop and against a better d-line our OL wasn't able to hold the pocket like they did against UConn. I don't think this was so much the OL's fault - Texas has some beasts up front -but the wrong plays being called.



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My point was that Taysom wasn't necessarily running for his life all game long though. The offensive line is giving him more time this year than last. Texas had some really good players on their Dline but our Oline held up really well considering.
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Brayden Green
The line is definitely better than last year, but we literally had the worst line in all of fbs football in every measurable statistic. I wouldnt call 6 sacks, quite a few throwaways and Taysom running for his life on several plays "good", but it is something to build on. I am optimistic about this group. They tightened up the penalties and played pretty cleanly.



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Brayden Green
Gunk wrote:
The Oline is better, but there were some series there where they got pushed around quite a bit. I think the offense would have benefited early on from some shorter routes. Seemed the pass pays often took too long to develop and against a better d-line our OL wasn't able to hold the pocket like they did against UConn. I don't think this was so much the OL's fault - Texas has some beasts up front -but the wrong plays being called.



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Exactly. Hence the success in the 3rd quarter, we passed to the quick slants over the middle.



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BroncoBot
I give a lot of credit to texas DBs. While I wasn't at the game, it seemed there wasn't a lot open downfield, which gave enough time to get to Hill.
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a1247
Even though Hill was sacked 6 times there was never that play were he takes the snap and is immediately running for his life because the line missed the block. That happened so many time last year. I do think some of the pass plays seemed to take to long to develop the double moves are a time killer but were also taking about the line holding there blocks for upwards of 5-7 seconds. 5-7 seconds is a lot of time! The oline could never give Hill and the receivers that much time last year. This years line has improved dramatically from last year and there is only a few more teams on the schedule that are going to have the athletes to really push them. And the best part is there all young and poised to be even better over the next 2-3 years.
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a1247
Gunk wrote:
The Oline is better, but there were some series there where they got pushed around quite a bit. I think the offense would have benefited early on from some shorter routes. Seemed the pass pays often took too long to develop and against a better d-line our OL wasn't able to hold the pocket like they did against UConn. I don't think this was so much the OL's fault - Texas has some beasts up front -but the wrong plays being called.



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Also you have to remember Uconn was only rushing 3 on most plays, Texas was bringing a minimum of 4 but on most plays brought 5-6.
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Cougarbib
Gunk wrote:
The Oline is better, but there were some series there where they got pushed around quite a bit. I think the offense would have benefited early on from some shorter routes. Seemed the pass pays often took too long to develop and against a better d-line our OL wasn't able to hold the pocket like they did against UConn. I don't think this was so much the OL's fault - Texas has some beasts up front -but the wrong plays being called.



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As the announcers pointed out regarding the TEXAS OC, many times, you have to take shots downfield, or the opposing defense can easily shut down the short stuff - like BYU shut down Texas and Texas could not shut down BYU.



it is called stretching the field.
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Cougarbib
Having a true center - Koroma - makes a huge difference when he is not snapping the ball over Hill's head.
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Gunk
Cougarbib wrote:
The Oline is better, but there were some series there where they got pushed around quite a bit. I think the offense would have benefited early on from some shorter routes. Seemed the pass pays often took too long to develop and against a better d-line our OL wasn't able to hold the pocket like they did against UConn. I don't think this was so much the OL's fault - Texas has some beasts up front -but the wrong plays being called.



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As the announcers pointed out regarding the TEXAS OC, many times, you have to take shots downfield, or the opposing defense can easily shut down the short stuff - like BYU shut down Texas and Texas could not shut down BYU.



it is called stretching the field.

And, as the announcers said it's good to get some quick throws in during the beginning so your QB is confident and establish you're capable of passing. I am fine occasionally stretching the field. But if you're trying to do it every pass play it's predictable. Not only that, but if long stretched out plays is what you predominantly do the defense knows they have more time to put pressure on the ball. Hill has to wait 3 - 4 seconds for the play develop; so, throw another guy in the box and pressure the pocket because you know you have the time. If all you have is 2 seconds to try and pressure the QB before he throws it you aren't going to load the box.



The main thing is to keep defenses guessing what you're going to do. Always stretching the field has the same effect as always keeping it short.



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Cougarbib
Exactly. You got it. You stretch the field by running up the middle. Hitting the edge. Throwing to the backs on screens. Hitting quick slants and outs. QB keepers. An occasional trick play. Run. Run. Run. Play action with double move set up by run. Run. Run.



That is exactly what Anae did. Iirc, completion % was over 60%.



Sure. They got some sacks. And other times they brought heat and got burned.



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scott715
This game should be a good learning experience for the line. Good competition. On the dead routes, Hill needs an outlet to a back to avoid the sacks.
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Cougarbib
On a couple of coverage sack situations, Hill scampered for a long touchdown. That is how it works.



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mizzoucoug
UT has a legit secondary. Our guys weren't getting open over the top.
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Cougarbib
mizzoucoug wrote:
UT has a legit secondary. Our guys weren't getting open over the top.




This is very true. But in order for them not to let BYU get open over the top, they had to run deep with our receivers and glue to them in case they made a double move which opens up the short stuff and gives Hill and the backs room to run.



And, since they never knew when BYU receivers would double move or cut in or out. They could not risk cheating up to help stop the run.



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