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A bigger early season game there never was

by Yzzazz · 9/4/2014

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Yzzazz
Watching the UConn game from the sidelines was exciting enough to get me thinking about next week. Sure there was lots to improve on, but there was also a lot of improvement over last year in Hill. Texas probably thinks they are going to have to contain an awesome athlete, especially his running ability. If so, they are setting themselves up for failure. One can only hope.



If you are reading this, you already know deep in your bones that the Texas game, if won, will rank as the single most important early-season win ever acheived by the BYU program.



Bigger than beating #3 Pitt in 1985

Bigger than beating #1 Miami in 1990



Just sayin'



Now winning the Texas game seems like quite a long shot. I've been over it in my mind and I simply can't predict better than what I would call a 40% chance to win. Losing to Texas is no big deal, really. BYU is basically guaranteed a spot in the Miami Beach Bowl, which is a nice venue, a great reward for players and an excellent recruiting trip for the coaches. So it's not like this season has a big downside, and since very few people expect BYU to beat Texas in Austin, there is a lot less fanfare than there might be over the whole playoff issue.



But there it is: the playoff.



It would be very difficult to lock an undefeated BYU out of the playoff picture. Not impossible, but quite difficult especially if Texas turns out to be as good a team or better than they were last year. There are plenty of indications that Texas will be a better team, so if BYU beats them on the road it sets up a major drama later in the year.



Obviously BYU has to win out (odds are against that too), but by far the biggest single hurdle shows up this Saturday. If BYU magically makes it to the first final four of football, then this game will be remembered as the magic moment that made it all possible. The Defense looked pretty good for a first game out and having lost key personnel last year and also not having key starters travel to Hartford. I am going to assume that between this and the QB situation at Texas, that BYU's defense will be able to keep this a game. So all that's left is the cougar Offense.



Here then are four reasons why Taysom Hill's BYU offense grinds the Longhorns into Big Mac burger and wins in Austin -- IF it is even possible for them to win.



#1. He can still run... Even a die-hard Texas fan will admit Hill could put up 100 yards rushing, but in doing so that fan (along with the UT team and staff) are going to assume he will try it. They expect he will try to duplicate 259 yards against them so they are going to gun for him and try to contain. The mere fact that he poses that kind of threat will work to his advantage. His ability will keep that defense honest. If he gets 100 yards, then it means he has kept them guessing and the chances of winning go up substantially.



#2. But now he can pass too... This is something Texas won't have been banking on until last week, and even now won't know how to handle it. Hill got better as a passer over the summer. LOTS better. His high completion percentage was punctuated by some pinpoint passing as well. (Checkout the Furious Monkey highlights and notice the precision evident in touchdown pass scored just after the fumble. Thing of beauty!)



#3. And he's choosy about it... The one complaint I had watching from the sidelines last week was the number of downfield receivers I thought Hill was overlooking. It wasn't just me who noticed either. Everyone around me including myself was shouting in futility at how open the Fly route was on the play just before Hauck's leaping touchdown. If his passing looked pretty good to you, the reality is it could have been so much better. And yet I wonder. Hill wisely chose safe routes and high percentage options. The stuff that was wide open but further downfield was what he routinely checked off on. He picked his targets well. Something he will certainly need to do against a stingy Texas defense.



#4. And no one sees this guy coming! The biggest reason I think Hill has a chance to perform well against Texas has nothing to do with him personally. The biggest reason is that I think Robert Anae has matured as a play caller. The UConn game was very well called, and the setups were not predictable. They gave nothing away for the upcoming week either. Anae's calling is balanced enough and nuanced enough that he will likely be able to keep the D guessing. In that space, Hill's significant athletic ability can find space to work.



If BYU wins this game, it will be one to talk about for the ages--well, except with your Longhorn friends.
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Cougarbib
Sorry. Some good points, but I am not ready to trade a Heisman Trophy or the 1984 National Championship for a win at Texas.



However, this will be a very valuable win if BYU wins out. If. If. If. Otherwise, it is just a very nice win approximately like our most recent win over Oklahoma.



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Yzzazz
Cougarbib wrote:
Sorry. Some good points, but I am not ready to trade a Heisman Trophy or the 1984 National Championship for a win at Texas.



However, this will be a very valuable win if BYU wins out. If. If. If. Otherwise, it is just a very nice win approximately like our most recent win over Oklahoma.



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But that's just it. A win at Texas could actually set up a year where BYU could get BOTH at the same time. :crazy:
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Yzzazz wrote:
Sorry. Some good points, but I am not ready to trade a Heisman Trophy or the 1984 National Championship for a win at Texas.



However, this will be a very valuable win if BYU wins out. If. If. If. Otherwise, it is just a very nice win approximately like our most recent win over Oklahoma.



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But that's just it. A win at Texas could actually set up a year where BYU could get BOTH at the same time. :crazy:


I like where your blue koolaid is at!
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BoiseBYU
Good analytical stuff, but hyperbole in the claim. At the time, the Miami game was bigger and even the Oklahoma game too because of their ranking at the time. IF TX wins out or shows strongly, then this game might be that huge BUT if TX ends up with a losing season, then meh it will not have been the biggest early season game there never was. Actrually our home loss tp Florida State after a great start might have been bigger.....
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SpiffCoug
This is the biggest early season game since Florida St in 2009.



Which was the biggest since Oklahoma in 2009.



Which was the biggest since Texas A&M in 1996?
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Cougarbib
SpiffCoug wrote:
This is the biggest early season game since Florida St in 2009.



Which was the biggest since Oklahoma in 2009.



Which was the biggest since Texas A&M in 1996?


Add in Pitt and Miami and Florida State way back around Detmer senior year, and BAM I was lucky enough to be at all of those but Pitt and Okie.



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tmoney35
I'm loving the blue-koolaid, but in all honesty, I don't think an undefeated BYU team gets in this year. Too many other elite teams, too much P5/SEC/East Coast bias, too weak of a schedule (unless a few of our opponents end up having a breakout year after we beat them). Bronco has said in the past, and I agree, that it's going to take consecutive undefeated seasons. I know he was talking about BCS National Title game, but I think the same applies for getting into the top 4.



I do think we'll beat Texas though! I'm going with 28-14
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redneckjedi
An undefeated BYU could get into the playoffs, but we don't control our destiny. We'd need enough of the right things to happen for it to happen (in order of importance):



  • We go undefeated

  • No more than 3 other 0-loss or 1-loss teams in the P5

  • At least two upsets in P5 conference championship games

  • The SEC eats itself - no more than 1 team with less than 2 losses

  • Enough top 25 teams ahead of us lose early and more than once that we climb into the top 25 in the next week or two and into the top 10-15 by week 8 or 9

  • Cal makes the Pac-12 title game, bonus points if they win

  • Virginia makes the ACC title game, bonus points if they win

  • Texas wins the Big 12 after we beat them

  • Boise/USU/Nevada/UNLV wins the MW after we beat them

  • UCF/UConn/Houston wins the American after we beat them

  • MTSU wins C-USA after we beat them


It's similar to what we needed in 1984. But the nice thing is there are 4 spots, not 1, we're fighting for. If we're undefeated, few others are undefeated or one loss, and we've beaten not just one but several conference champs or runners up, with some of those coming from the P5, we would have to get a spot. If we get everything on this list, I guarantee we're in, but even just the top 4 would probably be enough.
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Cougarbib
Well - that one at the top of the list would definitely be required. BYU cannot control the rest.



If BYU beats Texas Saturday, BYU will be in the Top 25 or dang close to it come Monday.



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NDCougar
The OP has to be a joke. Sure it would be a quality win, but not the biggest early game ever. We are playing a team with a back-up QB, decimated offensive line, new coach, missing a ton of suspended and injured players.....do I need go on? We have NO business losing this game, even Vegas believes we go to Austin for the win.



Given the UT issues we would not get much love unless we win by several TDs. This is not your typical UT team. TH tore up UConn, but let's slow it down a bit......beating an unranked UT team in a game you're favored to win does not wow Heisman voters unless he puts up massive numbers and even then the story is "what is wrong with UT". This is not Bama or FSU.



I like the enthusiasm but not realistic. How about we just beat a team we should beat and not discuss NCs until we beat someone! ;)
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BroncoBot
notwithstanding good or bad UT, beating texas is always good press. It would be a big step for Hill/BYU towards more respect nationally.
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NDCougar
BroncoBot wrote:
notwithstanding good or bad UT, beating texas is always good press. It would be a big step for Hill/BYU towards more respect nationally.


Like I said it will be a quality win and will be viewed as such, but not one of the biggest early season wins. Most would believe it would be a solid win vs a depleted UT.
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Cougarbib
NDCougar wrote:
notwithstanding good or bad UT, beating texas is always good press. It would be a big step for Hill/BYU towards more respect nationally.


Like I said it will be a quality win and will be viewed as such, but not one of the biggest early season wins. Most would believe it would be a solid win vs a depleted UT.


Kind of like Pittsburg. Wait. Pitt was worse. Michigan. Yeah. Probably like that. Or Oklahoma.



Miami was actually very good when we beat them. I forget how the A&M season went in 1996.



We do not exactly have a long history of beating Top 10 teams.



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Cougs_Rule
Yzzazz wrote:
Watching the UConn game from the sidelines was exciting enough to get me thinking about next week. Sure there was lots to improve on, but there was also a lot of improvement over last year in Hill. Texas probably thinks they are going to have to contain an awesome athlete, especially his running ability. If so, they are setting themselves up for failure. One can only hope.



If you are reading this, you already know deep in your bones that the Texas game, if won, will rank as the single most important early-season win ever acheived by the BYU program.



Bigger than beating #3 Pitt in 1985

Bigger than beating #1 Miami in 1990



Just sayin'



Now winning the Texas game seems like quite a long shot. I've been over it in my mind and I simply can't predict better than what I would call a 40% chance to win. Losing to Texas is no big deal, really. BYU is basically guaranteed a spot in the Miami Beach Bowl, which is a nice venue, a great reward for players and an excellent recruiting trip for the coaches. So it's not like this season has a big downside, and since very few people expect BYU to beat Texas in Austin, there is a lot less fanfare than there might be over the whole playoff issue.



But there it is: the playoff.



It would be very difficult to lock an undefeated BYU out of the playoff picture. Not impossible, but quite difficult especially if Texas turns out to be as good a team or better than they were last year. There are plenty of indications that Texas will be a better team, so if BYU beats them on the road it sets up a major drama later in the year.



Obviously BYU has to win out (odds are against that too), but by far the biggest single hurdle shows up this Saturday. If BYU magically makes it to the first final four of football, then this game will be remembered as the magic moment that made it all possible. The Defense looked pretty good for a first game out and having lost key personnel last year and also not having key starters travel to Hartford. I am going to assume that between this and the QB situation at Texas, that BYU's defense will be able to keep this a game. So all that's left is the cougar Offense.



Here then are four reasons why Taysom Hill's BYU offense grinds the Longhorns into Big Mac burger and wins in Austin -- IF it is even possible for them to win.



#1. He can still run... Even a die-hard Texas fan will admit Hill could put up 100 yards rushing, but in doing so that fan (along with the UT team and staff) are going to assume he will try it. They expect he will try to duplicate 259 yards against them so they are going to gun for him and try to contain. The mere fact that he poses that kind of threat will work to his advantage. His ability will keep that defense honest. If he gets 100 yards, then it means he has kept them guessing and the chances of winning go up substantially.



#2. But now he can pass too... This is something Texas won't have been banking on until last week, and even now won't know how to handle it. Hill got better as a passer over the summer. LOTS better. His high completion percentage was punctuated by some pinpoint passing as well. (Checkout the Furious Monkey highlights and notice the precision evident in touchdown pass scored just after the fumble. Thing of beauty!)



#3. And he's choosy about it... The one complaint I had watching from the sidelines last week was the number of downfield receivers I thought Hill was overlooking. It wasn't just me who noticed either. Everyone around me including myself was shouting in futility at how open the Fly route was on the play just before Hauck's leaping touchdown. If his passing looked pretty good to you, the reality is it could have been so much better. And yet I wonder. Hill wisely chose safe routes and high percentage options. The stuff that was wide open but further downfield was what he routinely checked off on. He picked his targets well. Something he will certainly need to do against a stingy Texas defense.



#4. And no one sees this guy coming! The biggest reason I think Hill has a chance to perform well against Texas has nothing to do with him personally. The biggest reason is that I think Robert Anae has matured as a play caller. The UConn game was very well called, and the setups were not predictable. They gave nothing away for the upcoming week either. Anae's calling is balanced enough and nuanced enough that he will likely be able to keep the D guessing. In that space, Hill's significant athletic ability can find space to work.



If BYU wins this game, it will be one to talk about for the ages--well, except with your Longhorn friends.




IRRATIONAL EXUBERANCE



#1-As has been pointed out, this game is not larger than #1 Miami at home, nor #3 Pitt on the road. This is #25--vastly depleted (thats how the press will spin a BYU win), rebuilding, first year coached Texas.



#2--hard time keeping undefeated BYU out of playoffs"---FARCE. IT AINT GOIN TO HAPPEN. BYU would get thrown a bone and be invited to NY day bowl.



At least you tried to mask your exuberance by feigning a 40% chance of winning right after saying THill is going to "grind" the UT D into hamburger.

Oh, and credit due for leaving out what your really feel and that is, that a BYU win propels them into the Big 12. Just sayin.

But, why not, most of us have had to contain our excitement over what could be another potential win if not blow out. The potential is certainly there. :-)

Go Cougs!!! De-horn the Short-handed-horns
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scott715
TH will not have a game like last year running the ball. Their D last year was not prepped correctly. He did not have a similar game against other opponents including last week. He will have a better game throwing the ball this year. Hoping he has a very good game. Get a 135 PER and we should then win.
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Cougarbib wrote:
BroncoBot wrote:
notwithstanding good or bad UT, beating texas is always good press. It would be a big step for Hill/BYU towards more respect nationally.


Like I said it will be a quality win and will be viewed as such, but not one of the biggest early season wins. Most would believe it would be a solid win vs a depleted UT.


Kind of like Pittsburg. Wait. Pitt was worse. Michigan. Yeah. Probably like that. Or Oklahoma.



Miami was actually very good when we beat them. I forget how the A&M season went in 1996.



We do not exactly have a long history of beating Top 10 teams.



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Not talking about how they will do later in the season, although I am not high on UT through out the season. The point is this is not near the biggest early season game ever. Games we should be expected to win are not the "biggest" anything unless it is top match up where we are favored (battle of top 10 teams).



We got a boost from PItt because it was an upset and sent us down a certain path. Michigan was the final game of the year and they had a bad record, this was the opposite as Michigan was last game of the year vs an undervalued team (players back fro injury). Miami was a HUGE win, Detmer would not have won the Heisman without it. A&M rocketed us, OU did the same and we deserved credit as we knocked out a Heisman candidate who played very little the rest of the year (different team there after). This is beating a Top 50 team on the road, solid but nothing to have a party over.



I did not say Top 10 in this thread. UT is no where near that at this point, the could surprise us but doubtful. Beating UT is not going to shock anyone.
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Yzzazz
We got a boost from PItt because it was an upset and sent us down a certain path. Michigan was the final game of the year and they had a bad record, this was the opposite as Michigan was last game of the year vs an undervalued team (players back fro injury). Miami was a HUGE win, Detmer would not have won the Heisman without it.


For the record, I don't think that the odds are in BYU's favor, and I do think Texas is going to be shown to be a better team than they were last year. My prediction that BYU has only a 40% chance of winning is a no-brainer. That's the statistical base rate. BCS teams win 59.3% of the time at home on average, so giving Texas a 60% chance to win is where you START. For Vegas oddsmakers to put the game on the other side of even is for them to be wildly optimistic about the cougar's chances. I know I'm blue-goggled, but it is a bit funny to hear someone call me "irrationally exuberant" and in the same sentence say that BYU should take this game.



The Vegas odds as they are right now make me wonder if more Cougarfans have taken up betting online. I hope not. If I were a betting man, I would feel mathematically constrained to bet against the cougs today.



Texas should win this game.



OTOH, if BYU wins it, then that says a LOT about BYU. It says that BYU will actually be strong enough to legitimately compete in the final four--assuming they were ever given the chance to do so. You could not say the same about last year's team.



That's why this game is so big. Not because Texas is highly ranked and a win would be an amazing unimaginable feat, but because of how influential the impact might be. Nobody would let BYU anywhere near the playoffs with a loss to Texas. Nor should they.



But with a win over Texas, BYU could get some consideration. That shift alone is very, very powerful.



If BYU won the NC, then Taysom as Heisman is a lock. If all that happened this year, everyone would point to THIS game as the starting point.



Despite the fact that Miami was certainly a much higher-quality win, and that Oklahoma was so much more fun on a one-game basis, neither of those games had the ability to produce what this game could.



The stakes have simply never been higher. If BYU wins this game, it will have truly stepped over the line on the road towards national prominence, whether it comes this year or not, after winning in Austin, you would know that it will certainly come. We lose this week and it's back to the same old BYU fandom you've known all your life--not a bad thing, mind you, but nothing new.
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Mars


Revised statement: This might be the biggest game for BYU in the Independent era thus far.



Believability: High. Depends on how both BYU and Texas do the rest of the season.
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Cougarbib
How quickly we all forget.



We have played a lot of bigger games and very recently. The problem is that we lost them. Let's wait and see if we actually win this one and then we can debate how big the win is.



What makes the potential lift from this game so big is that road games at ND and Wisconsin do not await us.



And if all these miracles align - our odds playing one or two top 3 teams will not be good at all.



Some fans are setting themselves up for the annual crash where it all comes tumbling down and instead of enjoying the players and the team, we can argue about which coaches to fire and which players do not deserve to see the field.



ND, ND, Wisconsin, etc., are examples of recent big games along with the Texas game we lost, Florida State, and Okie.



I can hardly wait to enjoy this game.



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