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Obama, Weak and Timid does Nothing

by Ddawg · 7/21/2014

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An interesting read (UK Daily Mail) -

"This weak and timid President talks big... and does nothing: A devastating attack on Obama by a top Washington insider"



Clark S. Judge believes Obama's reaction to the tragedy was 'disconnected'

Immediately 'reverted to script' to praise his administration

Former adviser to Ronald Reagan says it confirms 'chaos' of foreign policy



By CLARK S. JUDGE

July 19, 2014



At a political event in Wilmington, Delaware, on Thursday, President Obama devoted only 40 seconds to the shooting down of the Malaysian airline, his first statement to the world following the news.



His emotionless reference to the attack as ‘a terrible tragedy’ seemed disconnected from the horrific moment, particularly as he immediately reverted to script to praise his administration and criticise Republicans.



It was a far cry from President Reagan’s 1983 fierce denunciation of the Soviet shooting down of a Korean airliner as a ‘crime against humanity’.



But it only confirmed the chaos into which US foreign policy has descended since the summer of 2012 when reporters at a White House briefing asked Mr Obama about the security of chemical weapons in the Syrian stockpile.



The commander in chief went beyond safety and said: ‘We have been very clear to the Assad regime … that a red line for us is [when] we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized.’



The term ‘red line’ is the kind of clear, emphatic language major powers use only when they are prepared to back words with action.



A little over a year later, the Assad regime utilised chemical weapons against its own people.

The number of blunders that the President and his administration committed in the ‘red line’ affair is hard to fathom.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2698685/This-weak-timid-President-talks-big-does-A-devastating-attack-Obama-Washington-insider.html#ixzz383wnGv6z" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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jvquarterback
Actually a lot of people in Russia think he did something; Their news media is reporting the CIA colluded with the Western-backed usurpers in Kiev to redirect the Malaysian Airliner over Donetsk and then shot it down so they could blame it on the Russians.



As for myself I don't think there is any way our blessed government could do something so heinous - unless, of course, it did the same thing in Syria, lying to the American people about the Assad government using sarin in Syria.
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jvquarterback wrote:
Actually a lot of people in Russia think he did something; Their news media is reporting the CIA colluded with the Western-backed usurpers in Kiev to redirect the Malaysian Airliner over Donetsk and then shot it down so they could blame it on the Russians.


You mean Putin's comically wild accusations, which the state run media has to report as truth or be jailed/killed.



Putin is an egomaniac, bent on European domination. Unfortunately he's positioned himself and Russia extremely well financially to do just that while our government and the EU did absolutely nothing.
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Cougarfan87
hawkwing wrote:
Actually a lot of people in Russia think he did something; Their news media is reporting the CIA colluded with the Western-backed usurpers in Kiev to redirect the Malaysian Airliner over Donetsk and then shot it down so they could blame it on the Russians.


You mean Putin's comically wild accusations, which the state run media has to report as truth or be jailed/killed.



Putin is an egomaniac, bent on European domination. Unfortunately he's positioned himself and Russia extremely well financially to do just that while our government and the EU did absolutely nothing.


Hmm...the set of facts, as you portray them, sound very familiar--almost like we've seen this movie before.
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Cougarfan87 wrote:
jvquarterback wrote:
Actually a lot of people in Russia think he did something; Their news media is reporting the CIA colluded with the Western-backed usurpers in Kiev to redirect the Malaysian Airliner over Donetsk and then shot it down so they could blame it on the Russians.


You mean Putin's comically wild accusations, which the state run media has to report as truth or be jailed/killed.



Putin is an egomaniac, bent on European domination. Unfortunately he's positioned himself and Russia extremely well financially to do just that while our government and the EU did absolutely nothing.


Hmm...the set of facts, as you portray them, sound very familiar--almost like we've seen this movie before.


Very much so.
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snoscythe
The Democrats are starting to see the light. They are no longer proposing to fund a panel to look at the feasibility of putting Obama on Rushmore.



They still want a monument, so here's my proposal:



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Ddawg
jvquarterback wrote:

Actually a lot of people in Russia think he did something; Their news media is reporting the CIA colluded with the Western-backed usurpers in Kiev to redirect the Malaysian Airliner over Donetsk and then shot it down so they could blame it on the Russians.


It's funny how the Russian propaganda machine is "lying and denying" any involvement in the downing of the civilian Malaysian Flight 17. But, just this morning, the Russian backed Ukranian rebels shot down 2 Ukranian fighter jets. It takes a huge level of sophistication to shoot down a military fighter jet - let alone 2 in on day. This is no amateur lucky shot.





"MH17: Two Ukrainian fighter jets shot down near crash site, Kiev says"

KIEV — Reuters

Published Wednesday, Jul. 23 2014



Pro-Russian rebels shot down two Ukrainian fighter jets on Wednesday, not far from where a Malaysian airliner was brought down last week in eastern Ukraine, killing all 298 passengers on board.



A spokesman for Ukraine’s military operations said the planes were downed near Savur Mogila, a burial mound in the Shaktersky region where a memorial marks ambushes by the Soviet army on occupying Nazis during the Second World War.



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/ukraine/article19720331/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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jvquarterback
hawkwing wrote:
Unfortunately he's positioned himself and Russia extremely well financially to do just that while our government and the EU did absolutely nothing.


And what would you have had Europe and the US do? - fix another coup of a democratically elected government like they've been doing everywhere else for the past 100 years. Good idea. Let's see how that works out.



BTW, I have no idea who shot that plane down and I don't believe the Russian or US state run media conglomerates. The separatists had way more to lose by shooting that plane down than the Ukranian government. Just like the sarin gas in Syria which we now know the US lied about.



Again, who knows what happened? But the real question is how can you guys take the bait every time?
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Cougarfan87
jvquarterback wrote:
Unfortunately he's positioned himself and Russia extremely well financially to do just that while our government and the EU did absolutely nothing.


And what would you have had Europe and the US do? - fix another coup of a democratically elected government like they've been doing everywhere else for the past 100 years. Good idea. Let's see how that works out.



BTW, I have no idea who shot that plane down and I don't believe the Russian or US state run media conglomerates. The separatists had way more to lose by shooting that plane down than the Ukranian government. Just like the sarin gas in Syria which we now know the US lied about.



Again, who knows what happened? But the real question is how can you guys take the bait every time?


No one is calling for a coup. We are just commenting on how it looks eerily reminiscent of pre-world war II Europe. I am sure there are many things that can be done, but probably the worst thing that can be done is to do nothing. Appeasement was proven to be a bad strategy then, as it is now.
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Ddawg
jvquarterback wrote:

Again, who knows what happened? But the real question is how can you guys take the bait every time?


What bait are you talking about?



And yes, they do know what happened. Within 30 min. of Malaysian Flight 17 being shot down pro-Russian Ukranian rebels were on the phone to a Russian commander, explaining that they had shot down a plane and it was a civilian commercial jet. On social media, immediately after Flight 17 was shot down, the pro-Russian Ukranian rebels were posting and taking credit for shooting the plane down. When is became clear it was a civilian passenger jet, the social media posts disappeared - quickly.



And now, pro-Russian rebels are admitting they have the Russian military anti-aircraft missiles (BUK system) that can shoot down a plane - like Flight 17.





"Ukraine rebel leader confirms for the first time that Russian separatists DID have BUK anti-aircraft missiles after U.S. intelligence chiefs said Putin ‘bears responsibility’ for MH17"



Officials claim separatists didn't realise MH17 was a commercial jet



No clear evidence that missile which hit plane originated from Russia



But officials claim Moscow 'created the conditions' that led to disaster



Intelligence suggests culprits were inexperienced with hi-tech missiles



By ASSOCIATED PRESS

PUBLISHED: 19:33 EST, 22 July 2014



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2702002/US-Russia-created-conditions-shoot-down.html#ixzz38K4GIkm9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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jvquarterback
I wonder why western media outlets fail to mention that the Ukranians have the exact same weapons systems as the Russians.



Now if you war mongerers get your way maybe we can sell the Ukranians the same stinger missile systems we sold the Taliban to shoot down planes. Maybe someone can fill me in on how that went.



Call your congressman though because "the worst thing that can be done is to do nothing."



Oh, BTW those outdated SU-25s were flying low and plenty of those planes have been shot down with shoulder weapons (ask the Taliban). Now if the Ukranians had some outdated F-16s subsidized by US taxpayers everything would be wonderful - but I repeat myself and nobody in the US seems to learn from repeated mistakes anyway.
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Ddawg
jvquarterback wrote:
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Now if you war mongerers get your way


War monger? So now Mr. JV is calling names? Really? Please be specific, exactly who is a "war monger" in this thread that you are referring to. I would like that little point of order cleared up. I have no idea who you are referring to - or why. Thank you.



Exactly who is calling for U.S. military action? I have not read anyone in this thread calling for a U.S. military response in this thread. Perhaps I missed it and you could provide the quote. Thank you.
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Cougarfan87
Ddawg wrote:
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Now if you war mongerers get your way


War monger? So now Mr. JV is calling names? Really? Please be specific, exactly who is a "war monger" in this thread that you are referring to. I would like that little point of order cleared up. I have no idea who you are referring to - or why. Thank you.



Exactly who is calling for U.S. military action? I have not read anyone in this thread calling for a U.S. military response in this thread. Perhaps I missed it and you could provide the quote. Thank you.


I think he is just upset that no one bit on the false dichotomy he set up and interprets doing nothing to mean military action is required.
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Ddawg
Cougarfan87 wrote:

I think he is just upset that no one bit on the false dichotomy he set up and interprets doing nothing to mean military action is required.


I defer to your greater insight and wisdom Cougarfan.
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jvquarterback
Ddawg wrote:
War monger? So now Mr. JV is calling names? Really? Please be specific, exactly who is a "war monger" in this thread that you are referring to. I would like that little point of order cleared up. I have no idea who you are referring to - or why. Thank you.



Exactly who is calling for U.S. military action? I have not read anyone in this thread calling for a U.S. military response in this thread. Perhaps I missed it and you could provide the quote. Thank you.


Economic sanctions are already an act of war. Giving military aid or technical support are acts of war. So please tell me what are you, or some crappy, war mongering, yellow journalist from the dailymail suggesting we do in the Ukraine that isn't warmongering?



Let's get this straight. The US aided the coup in the Ukraine. What we have in the shooting down of the two SU-25s is blowback (against a military target engaging in a military campaign) after the thugs the US supported started killing civilians, including children. Sound familiar? It should.
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Ddawg
Economic sanctions an act of war? That sounds a lot like Ron Paul. So, are you a Ron Paul devotee? Or just a Liberal that thinks the presence and power of the U.S. is negative, evil and too overbearing in the world?



If economic sanctions are an act of war, then does Congress need to approve all economic sanctions?



Me politically? I am politically Independent, and fiscally very Conservative. I am a student of the Constitution and the original intent of the Founding Fathers.



I believe that the modern Democratic party is no longer the party of our fathers. It has become a Socialistic party that promotes bigger govt, more regulation, more taxes, bigger and more intrusive govt, loss of freedom thru bigger and more intrusive govt. Did I say more taxes and bigger govt?



By the way, the modern and current Liberal Democratic party, including the president and the Dem leadership, the Constitution is just a hindrance to be circumvented and sidestepped to continue their agenda of expanding their Statist, Socialistic agenda.
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Cougarfan87
Ddawg wrote:

I think he is just upset that no one bit on the false dichotomy he set up and interprets doing nothing to mean military action is required.


I defer to your greater insight and wisdom Cougarfan.


Who, me? :crazy: :lol:
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