Big 12 football: How about a BYU scheduling alliance?

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Big12 country is still talking about us. He likes the idea. I like it as I think it would make us more valuable. At least get a quasi alliance. Get 4 Big12 games, 4 Pac12, 2 AAC and 2 MWC. That would be a full season and a P5 schedule.

Realistically, I think we can get: 2-3 PAC 12, 2-3 Big 12, 1 ND/ACC (in Oct or November), 1 Big Ten, 4-5 MWC/AAC, 1 C-USA/MAC/Sun Belt (one-and-done payday game - but no more FCS).



SEPTEMBER

PAC 12

Big 12

Big Ten

MWC/AAC (helps to balance out the early season)



OCTOBER

PAC 12/Big 12

MWC/AAC

C-USA/MAC/Sun Belt (one-and-done payday game)

PAC 12/Big 12/MWC/AAC



NOVEMBER

Notre Dame/ACC

MWC/AAC

MWC/AAC

PAC 12



That gets us 6-7 games against the P5, including 4 conferences/Notre Dame, a payday game to balance out the home schedule, and enough MWC and AAC to keep things competitive and pad the record a little.



If you finish with 10+ wins with 6-7 good P5 teams on the schedule, that will be enough. If you have too many P5 teams on the schedule, we won't get to 10 wins very often.

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Trammel was interviewed around the 20 minute mark.

scott715 wrote:
http://www.byutv.org/watch/event/aee45cde-cf19-4b7b-9bcd-42066168c600



Trammel was interviewed around the 20 minute mark.

He calls out Baylor, Kansas St., Kansas, and Texas Tech for poor OOC schedules and states that a BYU alliance would help them out.

http://m.newsok.com/big-12-football-the-case-for-a-byu-scheduling-alliance/article/4932610" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



I'm hearing this message a lot. That they need an alliance with us to fill holes in their schedule.



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I heard the OK reporter interviewed on 1280 the other morning. He said it also helps the Big 12 and BYU get to know each other better and dispel some of the myths/rumors around like that BYU is selfish and hard to work with. It could even be a courting period where they use something like this to determine if they could make expansion with BYU work should that come up some day. The draw for the Big 12 would be to add some viewer-interesting matchups between BYU and some of the middle-tier conference members. He pointed out that it doesn't have to be Texas or Oklahoma matched up with someone to be interesting to the TV partners.



PS: He also thought that if the Big 12 expanded it would be for all sports rather than football only arrangement as football only is an arrangement that is looked down upon as small-time for a conference. Establishing a relationship would only help make such a move more possible or show that it would not work out before such a move were made.

Building a history with the Big12 might make a future TV contract with us more valuable. I wonder what kind of ratings WVU has gotten so far?

Trammel specifically mentions Baylor-Buffalo, OSU-UTSA, and Texas Tech-UTEP as games that should be replaced with BYU as the opponent. He also lists the following SEVEN 2014 weekends that would improve with a BYU face-lift:



Sep 20 - Thursday = Kansas st.-Auburn, so Saturday = only 2 games, OU-West Virginia and Kansas-Central Michigan. (very lame)



Sep 27 - Thursday = OSU-Tech, so Saturday = 3 games, Baylor-Iowa St., Kansas-Texas, TCU-SMU, and Kansas St.-UTEP (pretty lame)



Oct 25 - Just three conference games



Nov. 15 - Just three conference games



Nov 22 - Thursday = Kansas St.-WVU. Only three conference games on Saturday.



Nov 29 - Thursday = Texas-TCU. Only three Saturday games - OSU-Baylor, OU-Kanas, Tech-Iowa St. (lame)



Dec. 6 - Just three conference games.



(He also notes the BYU-Texas game on Sep.6 is one of the top Big 12 games that weekend)



So, while 7 games would be overkill, some sort of affiliation could improve the Big 12's and BYU's schedules, especially late-season (2-5 games, especially if you add neutral sites to the mix - Arlington, Houston, San Antonio, Kansas City).



With the reminder that the Big 12 doesn't have a conference championship game, the first weekend in December would be an awesome spot for BYU-Big 12 game!

Here's some rumor on what's happing.



http://www.wccboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=748&p=2903#p2903" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



Tom Holmoe is correct and telling the truth when he says that BYU will be fine in the long run. If the P5 completely separate themselves from the rest of D1, BYU WILL be included, and if we get the scheduling agreement with the Big12 we will officially be P5 and have some sort of access to the playoff system similar to what ND has now. Through their scheduling agreement with the ACC ND only gets access to one of the ACC's New Year's day bowls once every 8 years. Something very similar will likely come for BYU and the Big12. That is what is being talked about behind the closed doors, but don't expect this to happen this year either. Maybe next year, but no promises. These things can take time, but BYU is in a good position right now.

If BYU announces a series with Penn State and the ACC/SEC reversed course on BYU counting for the P5 game I would just be giddy.

Cool. That would be huge for BYU. ANY kind of "access" to the Sugar Bowl would be an enormous win for the Cougars - even if we never go to the Sugar Bowl.



OK, so, we have an 8-year ESPN deal, through the 2018 season. We've also heard that ESPN likes the BYU deal right now - rumored at about $4.8-7.2 million per year ($800K to $1.2 million per game, multiplied by 6 home games).



http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2010/09/Issue-244/College-Football-Preview/ESPN-BYU-Agree-To-Eight-Year-TV-Deal-For-Home-Football-Games.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



We also know that the first three years of ESPN games included Texas, Utah, Boise St., Oregon St., and Georgia Tech. But, there has been a lot of MWC and former WAC-level opponents - about 50% of the ESPN televised games. The next 5 years have mostly MWC and American teams on the home ESPN schedule (but also some P12 - UCLA, Utah, Cal).



Looking at the 2019 schedules and onward, coupled with a 3-5 game scheduling alliance with the BIg 12 (and inflation and monster deals with the SEC and Big Ten), my prediction is that ESPN will re-up with BYU for about 2.5 times the money of the current deal: $15-18 million per year ($2-3 million per game). We CURRENTLY have Wisconsin, USC, Boise St. (x3), Arizona, Virginia, Arizona St., Stanford, and Notre Dame (TBD x2) in 2019 to 2023. We will also likely extend the Utah rivalry game (x2). Throw in a couple of Big 12 games each year, with Texas or Oklahoma ever 2-3 years and ESPN will have legit BYU-P5 inventory.



$15-18 million per year isn't quite P5 money, but it's in the ballpark and will help us keep up with the P5 - and may be actually fill in the corners at LES.

Remember that 5 home games are televised. The 6th has been on KBYUtv.

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Another Berry Tramel article on Big 12-BYU alliance. Note - one of the emails quoted may or may not be from a CougarCorner member....

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Cool. That would be huge for BYU. ANY kind of "access" to the Sugar Bowl would be an enormous win for the Cougars - even if we never go to the Sugar Bowl.



OK, so, we have an 8-year ESPN deal, through the 2018 season. We've also heard that ESPN likes the BYU deal right now - rumored at about $4.8-7.2 million per year ($800K to $1.2 million per game, multiplied by 6 home games).



http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2010/09/Issue-244/College-Football-Preview/ESPN-BYU-Agree-To-Eight-Year-TV-Deal-For-Home-Football-Games.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



We also know that the first three years of ESPN games included Texas, Utah, Boise St., Oregon St., and Georgia Tech. But, there has been a lot of MWC and former WAC-level opponents - about 50% of the ESPN televised games. The next 5 years have mostly MWC and American teams on the home ESPN schedule (but also some P12 - UCLA, Utah, Cal).



Looking at the 2019 schedules and onward, coupled with a 3-5 game scheduling alliance with the BIg 12 (and inflation and monster deals with the SEC and Big Ten), my prediction is that ESPN will re-up with BYU for about 2.5 times the money of the current deal: $15-18 million per year ($2-3 million per game). We CURRENTLY have Wisconsin, USC, Boise St. (x3), Arizona, Virginia, Arizona St., Stanford, and Notre Dame (TBD x2) in 2019 to 2023. We will also likely extend the Utah rivalry game (x2). Throw in a couple of Big 12 games each year, with Texas or Oklahoma ever 2-3 years and ESPN will have legit BYU-P5 inventory.



$15-18 million per year isn't quite P5 money, but it's in the ballpark and will help us keep up with the P5 - and may be actually fill in the corners at LES.

Wow. Wishful thinking? I just don't see espn doubling down on BYU. Why would they? BYU needs espn more than espn needs BYU. The ratings haven't been high enough to merit a x2 multiplier. There are several reasons espn likes BYU and one of them is they can get them on the cheap and make money.

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Analysis of why Big12 will not add BYU. An arguement for an agreement.

BYU having a scheduling alliance with the Big 12 would allow BYU to keep its Olympic sports in the WCC, while securing and improving its strength-of-schedule and maintaining its independence in football. This is certainly not in the Big 12's best interest.



"Scheduling alliance" is something done between conferences interested in improving their OOC strength-of-schedule. It is not something done between a major conference and an independent.



The SEC and the ACC have already stated their position regarding BYU. I doubt the Big 12 would take an opposite approach when there have already been discussions about the Big 12 entering into scheduling alliances with other major conferences.