ACC Scheduling

:angry: Looks like the ACC just gave BYU a stiff arm. I hope that the rest of the BIG 5 elite don't follow suit.



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BYU fans should be very concerned by this development.

This makes no sense unless its political. Outside of the Jim Delaney's of the world, who wouldn't say that BYU or Boise is a tougher matchup than many of the lower end P5 teams? It's simply another good old boys ruling to decrease competition and increase their share of the pie. If it's a business move just say it like it is. (Which maybe they have)

It is this -- ruling to decrease competition. Isn't that illegal?

It hurts a bit. Some ACC teams will still want to increase their schedule strength. BYU needs to find a couple of long term partners in the ACC that want that. TH needs to get UVa for another 2-6 year contract . They can still play the games opposite ND games so at least they can schedule later in the year.



The best case scenario for BYU was two games a year. I think TH can still make that happen.

Mark Durrant tweeted:

We'll get our revenge when we don't let the ACC in the Celestial Kingdom

:lol:

This could be a very bad trend. I guess one probable conclusion is that BYU may be left out of the P5 altogether and never play another meaningful snap of football. At that point they'll probably just shut down the program.



I don't know. If it comes to it should BYU give in and take any offer to join them? TV rights? Sunday play?

mizzoucoug wrote:
This could be a very bad trend. I guess one probable conclusion is that BYU may be left out of the P5 altogether and never play another meaningful snap of football. At that point they'll probably just shut down the program.



I don't know. If it comes to it should BYU give in and take any offer to join them? TV rights? Sunday play?

Program would shut down before it would start playing on Sundays.



I get why the ACC made the move. BYU will just have to go out there and win. I hope it adds a chip to our guys' shoulders so should we meet any P5 school we leave them laid out on their backs.



First and foremost, we have to win.

A (slightly) more positive look on this. So we don't count as a member of the P5, we still bring more SOS than at least the bottom third of those. SOS is still important when teams are being evaluated for Playoff spots. The ACC teams still have 3 spots to fill on their schedule outside of conference games and P5 member. They probably still don't want to schedule 3 FCS teams for SOS purposes.

I'm skeptical on the whole playoff thing motivating teams to make a more difficult SofS. It already mattered before for rankings, most AD'd realize they're not likely to be in the playoff anyway and the SEC will get 2 teams in just off of saying our conference is so tough that our SofS is off the charts.



I'll believe when I see it for P5 teams actually increasing their schedule strength. Only 1-2 teams go undefeated each year and I doubt going 11-1 with a typical P5 schedule is worth more than 12-0 with a typical 8 home games plus an FCS team SEC schedule.



The playoff with accepting up to 2 teams per conference plus the removal of autobids if a mid-level teams hits a certain criteria (I think those are all gone) only makes the new "BCS" more exclusionary.

Today marks a sea change. This is the day BYU was singled out and told No.



The sad thing is, I'm not sure this really is because of BYU as much as it is because of fear of the precedence it would set. The P5 criteria is a much brighter line to draw than a line including BYU but excluding others. And if the commissioners showed that they could be swayed by BYU, they'd have the AD from every other Indy/G5 school knocking on their door. Too much of a slippery slope.



I believe that if BYU had won a BCS game or been a top 25 school for 2 of the last three years (which would have made it 7 of the last 8 ), then Holmoe would have had a much easier go of things.



Oh, and the Strength of Schedule playoff criteria is a complete ploy to keep non-P5 teams out. Self-reinforcing biases will have every team in any P5 conference with a better SOS than any team from outside of the conference. They don't need to play BYU over Rutgers to get them in. This will basically be a tie-breaker for teams with identical records.



The ACC/SEC game requirement was never about fairness across divisions; it was only about fairness within a conference. And it's just too easy to say no. The commissioners had nothing to gain but headaches by saying yes, no matter how unfair it is.



Regardless of the reasons for this happening, this is a crummy day.

CrimsonCoug wrote:
Today marks a sea change. This is the day BYU was singled out and told No.



The sad thing is, I'm not sure this really is because of BYU as much as it is because of fear of the precedence it would set. The P5 criteria is a much brighter line to draw than a line including BYU but excluding others. And if the commissioners showed that they could be swayed by BYU, they'd have the AD from every other Indy/G5 school knocking on their door. Too much of a slippery slope.



I believe that if BYU had won a BCS game or been a top 25 school for 2 of the last three years (which would have made it 7 of the last 8 ), then Holmoe would have had a much easier go of things.



Oh, and the Strength of Schedule playoff criteria is a complete ploy to keep non-P5 teams out. Self-reinforcing biases will have every team in any P5 conference with a better SOS than any team from outside of the conference. They don't need to play BYU over Rutgers to get them in. This will basically be a tie-breaker for teams with identical records.



The ACC/SEC game requirement was never about fairness across divisions; it was only about fairness within a conference. And it's just too easy to say no. The commissioners had nothing to gain but headaches by saying yes, no matter how unfair it is.



Regardless of the reasons for this happening, this is a crummy day.

I agree it was a sea change. I don't agree that a BCS win would have changed anything for BYU.

It is just more of the same old same old since 1984. We have been left out of everything since or given a heavily tilted and unlikely way to squeeze in.



Winning works miracles. BYU toughened up the schedule just a TAD in 2010 and beyond and scheduled themselves right out of any national discussion for the past 4 years. We were in it in that stretch of 4 straight seasons with 10 or more wins. Took the bait when people criticized our SOS, and started going 7-6 or 8-5 for the most part.



Games have been fun to watch, but mostly BYU and opponent fans only are watching - maybe opponent conference mates doing some scouting.



2014 is an opportunity to jump back into that discussion.



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BYU toughened up the schedule just a TAD in 2010 and beyond and scheduled themselves right out of any national discussion for the past 4 years. We were in it in that stretch of 4 straight seasons with 10 or more wins. Took the bait when people criticized our SOS, and started going 7-6 or 8-5 for the most part.





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I think I'd put schedule as the 4th of 5th (maybe even lower) thing on my list of why we started going 7-6 or 8-5 after Max Hall left.

Stirfry wrote:

BYU toughened up the schedule just a TAD in 2010 and beyond and scheduled themselves right out of any national discussion for the past 4 years. We were in it in that stretch of 4 straight seasons with 10 or more wins. Took the bait when people criticized our SOS, and started going 7-6 or 8-5 for the most part.





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I think I'd put schedule as the 4th of 5th (maybe even lower) thing on my list of why we started going 7-6 or 8-5 after Max Hall left.

if you just look at 2009, I would tens to agree. The 2009 schedule was the first year of the stepped up scheduling. And, as a senior Max Hall was able to thread the needle to Andrew George and beat Utah after playing poorly and beat another decent team or two including the Bowl game.



Now look backwards from there at the typical schedule during the double digit win stretch. And, yes, Beck as a senior throwing to Harline was special. He beat a very good TCS team and Oregon.



If we had a senior QB like Hall or Beck surrounded by George, Pitta, Harline, CB, Unga, Tonga, Fui, Collie, etc., BYU would have won more games the last 4 years. But, here is the problem. BYU only gets that combination of experience and talent two years since Bronco arrived.



They may have that again in 2015. Maybe.



Most years, BYU does not have the talent and experience to do what Beck and Hall did as seniors.



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The ACC/SEC suggesting that BYU would not qualify as a P5 opponent is a non news story.



If you wanted to know what the P5 thinks of us look at our College Football Playoff arrangement. We have the same payout and access as Army. It would have been newsworthy if the ACC/SEC decided that we were P5 caliber. Their reaffirmation of our status doesn't change anything.



We likely will still schedule ACC teams with some regularity just like we have for the last 15 years or so. It will be unlikely that we will play SEC teams with any kind of regularity.



We will still have challenging schedules considering our talent level. There is no doubt our schedules will be an improvement from the MWC days. At this point, that is all we can ask for.

Although the SEC position seems to be of little consequence to BYU on the surface since we do not play SEC teams often anyway - consider this tidbit from CBS today:



SEC are in discussions to play each other more frequently to fill in the P5 opponents. That will create some nice local and regional rivalry series. They seem to favor pairing up teams with natural reasons to play each other like Miami Vs Florida, for example. Some of these series already exist. They plan to create more of them. Thus - it may result in more than 1 P5 OOC opponent for some ACE teams. ACC has played BYU straight up. I hope we do not see encroachment.

I'm still disappointed with this result. If the ACC had let BYU in every ACC team in the conference would have been trying to get a deal. BYU is viewed as an easier win than 75% of other P5 Schools. Not everyone can schedule Indiana.



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And what if Indiana refuses to schedule them. they don't have a P5 requirement. In a couple of years they might be in trouble unless they pair up with the SEC who has the same requirement.