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1320 sure has some stupid sports commentators

by Mars · 5/14/2014

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Mars


Early this morning, they were discussing the topic of how BYU football compares to the PAC-12. They stated that Utah football, for example, has "2.5 times the depth that BYU has", or "about 20 more Div. I-A talented players on the team overall". They then stated that if BYU joined the PAC-12, it would take over a decade of intense recruiting to have a single season with more conference wins than losses, and that BYU would NEVER be able to play with the "big boys" of college football within the league "like USC and UCLA".



They also stated that while BYU has an "extremely weak" schedule this year, Utah doesn't have a single easy conference game to play this season.



Well then...





I'll start with the schedules.



BYU plays 7 former "BCS" teams this year, 5 of them on the road: UConn, Texas, Houston, Virginia, UCF, Cal, and Boise State. 3 of those are current "Power 5" conference members (Big XII/ACC/PAC-12), and 2 of those will be played away from Provo.



-Texas -Week 2- is on the road. Despite a blowout loss to BYU, the Longhorns won 8 games last year and went 7-2 in Big XII play, including a beatdown of #12 Oklahoma. They played in the Alamo Bowl.

-Virginia was 2-10 last year, which is good enough for SEC and ACC schedulers, but admittedly not a great opponent for BYU.

-At Cal. Another road game. The Bears of the PAC-12 were a weak 1-11 last season (but didn't get to play Utah).



-UConn is BYU's opener, on the road. Anything can happen in these games. They went 3-9 last season after winning their last 3 contests.

-Houston of the AAC was a surprise team last year, going 8-3 in the regular season besides the home loss to BYU.

-UCF was an even bigger surprise, and again this is a road game. The Knights were 12-1 last season (winning @ Penn State, beating #8 Louisville and Terry Bridgewater on the road, and scoring 52 points in a smackdown of #6 Baylor in the Fiesta Bowl); Remember, EVERY team in the PAC-12 finished with at least 2 losses last year.

-Boise State lost at BYU last season, but went 8-3 in the rest of their regular season. This game is at Boise.



The other games of some interest include Utah State (an in-state "rival"), UNLV (a former conference-mate of both BYU and Utah), Nevada (a current MWC team), and MTSU. The Aggies lost badly to BYU last year, but still won 9 games, including their bowl game. They lost 1 conference game in the regular season, and played in their conference championship game. UNLV won 7 games in the regular season and actually played in a bowl game. Nevada won 4 games last year, losing out-of-conference to Florida State, UCLA, and BYU. MTSU went 8-3 in the regular season besides a loss at BYU. BYU also plays Savannah State, just as Utah plays Idaho State; Most strong schools do the same.



Overall, BYU plays 7 teams that won at least 7 games last season and made it to a bowl game. 6 teams on the schedule (50%) won at least 8 games, 2 teams won 9 or more games, and one team that won 12 games. Not the world's toughest schedule, but not an awful schedule either.





As for BYU versus the PAC-12? Let's take a quick look at Sagarin:



BYU was #35 in 2013, better than 3 of 12 PAC-12 teams.

BYU was #26 in 2012, better than 6 of 12 PAC-12 teams.

BYU was #34 in 2011, better than 9 of 12 PAC-12 teams.

BYU was #45 in 2010, better than 3 of 12 current PAC-12 teams.

BYU was #15 in 2009, better than 11 of 12 current PAC-12 teams. BYU was 11-2, #11 Oregon was 10-3. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/2009/conference/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

BYU was #32 in 2008, better than 6 of 12 current PAC-12 teams.

BYU was #17 in 2007, better than 8 of 12 current PAC-12 teams.

BYU was #13 in 2006, better than 10 of 12 current PAC-12 teams. BYU was 11-2, #2 USC was 11-2, and #8 Cal was 10-3.



So out of the past 8 seasons, BYU was a "top half" PAC-12 team 6 times (75%), a "top third" PAC-12 team 4 times (50%), and a "top fourth" PAC-12 team 3 times (38%). Two of those season BYU would have been battling for the Championship crown (25% of the time).





In other words, those 1320 sports radio guys were talking out of their butts. Big surprise.
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BOID
Good read, and some nice stats for BYU. Thanks, Mars.



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SpiffCoug
BYU doesn't have a ton of "name"schools this year. It's the opposite of last year. But last year the schedule didn't turn out to be nearly as difficult as it appeared it would be. And similarly, this year will turn out to be more difficult than the names appear to be.
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Cougs_Rule
Blah blah blah. 1320 are Ute homers and this is old "we are in the PAC and you aren't" crap.

Who cares. after five or six seasons without a bowl, that will be an excuse not a bragging point.
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Cougarbib
The Utes played a tougher schedule than BYU last year. They will play a Top 5 schedule this year. They will have a losing record again this year. They will get the occasional WOW win, because if you play enough ranked teams home and away, even a blind squirrel will bite Goliath's nuts once in a while. They only have 1 game that is not loseable and they will not disappoint - losing more than their share.



Quite frankly BYU would struggle in any of the P5 conferences.



BYU has a reasonable schedule in 2014. As is usually the case, the most challenging games are road games. Nonetheless, The Bibster will trip to Provo quite often this Fall. I wish TH would schedule back-to - back-to home games with a Saturday followed by a Thursday. BAM. Cut my driving time in half with half the trips.



I am not very excited about any of our home games in 2014. But, hey, my son will be fresh off his Texas, Houston mission. Gotta take him to that game. USU has made things interesting ever since getting Jaime Hill fired in 2010 and getting Jake Heaps benched in 2011 and taking out Taysom Hill's knee and Doman's clock management credibility in 2012. Sure, we took out their QB in 2013 and won convincingly, but he will be back in 2014. So, yeah - The Aggies. Other than that, I will need to refresh my memory. Wait. Grudge match UVA. Another rain delay would be sweet. UNLV. On the rise, IMHO. I wish this was a road game. Shorter drive from LA. I will skip Savannah State. Not sure who I be forgetting. Wait. Nevada? I will enjoy every game but one this season. I wish BYU would stop playing Weber State, Idaho State, Savannah State, and even MTSU. Replace those with KU, Indiana U, Washington State, Colorado, Iowa State, Northwestern, or Utes.



This will be a fun season to watch. Maybe I will try to extend a trip and drive up to Boise. That is our most important road game this season. Gotta beat BSU and USU.



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scott715
Add Houston to the list of home games. That might be the best one. Savannah State is on the slate due to the 2 for 1s. That is how TH is balancing out the schedule. If we could get a one and done from the Sun Belt or similar team, that would be better. I hope he tried to get Northern Illionois to come that last year or two.



I will be at BSU, Hope to see the Bibster there.
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BOID
To refute the 1320 claim of deeper roster talent and recruiting for the Utes:



It was clear to everyone, even Utes, that BYU had out-recruited them for the 2014 signing class. No stat sheets or references are needed; it is too recent to have faded from memory. Also, this was not the first season for that to happen.



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Cougarbib
BOID wrote:
To refute the 1320 claim of deeper roster talent and recruiting for the Utes:



It was clear to everyone, even Utes, that BYU had out-recruited them for the 2014 signing class. No stat sheets or references are needed; it is too recent to have faded from memory. Also, this was not the first season for that to happen.



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Even the Scout Data posted by Blue is Better showed Utah winning the battle in 11, 12, and 13. Rivals shows Utah winning the battle almost every year in the past 10 years. 247 show Utah winning more often than not.



2014 was a refreshing change. Hopefully a new trend. And, in 2017 when the 2014 guys get back from their missions, maybe we start reaping the dividends of this class.



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Fido
I think everyone would rather have a schedule of the toughness of 2013 rather than what we have in 2014--but that is reality. How one would tell that Utah has 10 more "Div-1A players" than BYU I don't know. But I never listen to 1320 anyway (didn't realize anyone did).
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SpiffCoug
Fido wrote:
I think everyone would rather have a schedule of the toughness of 2013 rather than what we have in 2014--but that is reality. How one would tell that Utah has 10 more "Div-1A players" than BYU I don't know. But I never listen to 1320 anyway (didn't realize anyone did).

This is the thing, the 2013 really wasn't all that difficult. But everyone thought it was because of the NAMES on the schedule. 2013 was the first year since 2002 that BYU didn't face one team that won double digit games.
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Cougarbib
SpiffCoug wrote:
I think everyone would rather have a schedule of the toughness of 2013 rather than what we have in 2014--but that is reality. How one would tell that Utah has 10 more "Div-1A players" than BYU I don't know. But I never listen to 1320 anyway (didn't realize anyone did).

This is the thing, the 2013 really wasn't all that difficult. But everyone thought it was because of the NAMES on the schedule. 2013 was the first year since 2002 that BYU didn't face one team that won double digit games.


Whether you play a 1 loss ND in South Bend or a 4 loss ND in South Bend, you are not likely to win. Ditto Wisconsin at Camp Randall. Ditto Washington in Seattle. Utes have been a problem 4 years in a row regardless of record. UVA. Bad timing. Texas. Good timing. BSU and USU. Good wins.



2013 was not tough due to having a Token 10 win opponent or two. It was tough due to playing a bunch of worthy opponents mostly on the road.



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SpiffCoug
BYU played eight teams that won eight or more games.

One game was at a neutral site. 0-1

Three games were on the road. 1-2

Four games were at home. 4-0.
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Cougarbib
SpiffCoug wrote:
BYU played eight teams that won eight or more games.

One game was at a neutral site. 0-1

Three games were on the road. 1-2

Four games were at home. 4-0.


8 worthy opponents. Tough schedule. Utes. Rival. 9 worthy opponents.



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SpiffCoug
Tough schedule, but not the most difiicult of all-time. May have had the most "names" on it, but it wasn't the toughest ever. Just like this year won't be the easiest ever.
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YNot
Cougarbib wrote:
I wish BYU would stop playing Weber State, Idaho State, Savannah State, and even MTSU. Replace those with KU, Indiana U, Washington State, Colorado, Iowa State, Northwestern, or Utes.


Amen! I would even take Memphis, Tulane, or UMass over FCS schools.



And Savannah St.? At least Weber St. and Idaho St. have a tiny slice of relevance in the local market.
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Mars
SpiffCoug wrote:
The 2013 really wasn't all that difficult. But everyone thought it was because of the NAMES on the schedule.

And not just the names, but the HOME names. In 2013 BYU played Texas and Boise State in Provo. In 2014, BYU plays Texas and Boise State, but on the road. You don't sell as many tickets for UNLV as you do for Texas, period.
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stgeorgefan
Utah has 20 more D-1 players? Why did they suck so bad in Pac-12 play then. 20 is a huge number of the overall scholarship players.

The biggest glaring weakness Utah has IS depth. Utah's starters hung in there but their depth killed them. Injuries to 1st string players too.

That 20 number is laughable.
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