Are we really that deep at defensive back this year?

Everybody keeps saying how stacked and talented we are at defensive back this year. i often hear people say we are the most talented and deepest we have every been. I am just not seeing it.



jordan johnson and trammel are both coming off of serious injuries. whether they are fully back and whether they can stay healthy are real concerns.



who is behind them? Sam Lee? I doubt he ever even plays. Povey? I know he was playing injured last year but with all due respect to him, which is a lot, he is quite limited. Robertson Daniel. He is good but not better or as good as Sorenson who we are are losing. it is not even clear if he will being playing corner or safety. leavitt, he can be really good and will be but not yet. badger. sounds like he isn't that great.



I am just trying to figure out why everybody keeps saying we are so deep.



i guess with bills trammel and johnson all healthy and all playing we will be a lot better. but that is a question mark and the back ups i don't think are anything special.



there is a reason that harvey was brought in. bronco said we had a problem with depth at safety. Harvey knew he might get to play if he came to byu.



i just hope that johnson comes back as good as he was and stays healthy. if he does then our starters should look pretty good. i think leavitt is going to be a great nickel guy this year, he will be mike hague but better.



i assume that we are excited about having trammel and johnson and bills with daniels playing safety. that does sound like a great set of dbs. but depth surely is an issue. we still are not deep. if sam lee can't play and if johnson isn't quite himself or healthy then daniel will have to play corner which leaves us with issues at safety. glad the harvey kids is on his way.

BYU has good nickel options if everyone is healthy. That's better than ever before.



You're right though. Just like every other year BYU isn't deep at any DB position.

They are deep enough to give borrowed 2013 players back to their normal spots. We are returning at least 1 receiver. We are letting safeties borrowed to play corner return to play safety. We have more bodies. If any of the wounded from last year make it onto the field, that will be an improvement.



When I say we are way better than last year, how could we not be? We were decimated last year. Even Sorensen missed some games, iirc.



When I say we are better than normal - that just means DB will be a smaller liability than it normally is.



BYU gets very few legit NFL safeties and fewer corners. When we get one that makes the NFL, it is not a 1st round pick. So, no, this will not be an SEC backfield. It will be a better one than our typical WAC, MWC, and Indy cast of characters.



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And for all his talk, wasn't it Trammel who got beat and dragged 10 yards for a TD by Terryn Hauk in the Spring Game? Watching that highlight on the BYUTV Sports interviews, the DB looked...well, like BYU DBs usually look. Beat.



I agree about being underwhelmed by PoVey.

CrimsonCoug wrote:
And for all his talk, wasn't it Trammel who got beat and dragged 10 yards for a TD by Terryn Hauk in the Spring Game? Watching that highlight on the BYUTV Sports interviews, the DB looked...well, like BYU DBs usually look. Beat.



I agree about being underwhelmed by PoVey.

Hopefully Hauk will beat a few DBs in the Fall.



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Yes, I think it's mainly about Trammel and JJ being back and healthy. Who knows if they're lockdown corners, but it's safe to say they're better cover guys than what we had last season.

Numbers are good, but can any of these guys cover anyone? That is the question.



Anything on Badger? I have heard relatively little about him since he transferred in the media and (honestly) have not followed the spring activity too much as it is not always a clear indicator.

He's been quiet so that is not a good sign.

sounds to me like badger will be a special teams this year. hopefully he will be a contributor and possible starter in 2015.

Danny Sorenson said in today's DesNews piece that the secondary is deeper this year than it ever was while he was at BYU.

snoscythe wrote:
Danny Sorenson said in today's DesNews piece that the secondary is deeper this year than it ever was while he was at BYU.

did he say why

jonnylingo wrote:

Danny Sorenson said in today's DesNews piece that the secondary is deeper this year than it ever was while he was at BYU.

did he say why

I was confused by this comment by DS. Does deepest mean most bodies or most talent?

NDCougar wrote:

snoscythe wrote:
Danny Sorenson said in today's DesNews piece that the secondary is deeper this year than it ever was while he was at BYU.

did he say why

I was confused by this comment by DS. Does deepest mean most bodies or most talent?

it probably means we were starting our back ups last year so this year with out starters back we are deep.

You can have the most depth ever without coming close to having the best individual player ever.



Most Depth means that you have the most 2 deep and even 3 deep players that actually belong on the field and could hold their own vs worthy opponents. Even if none of them are superstars, you can lose a player or 2 or 3 and not miss much and you can rotate freely to keep them fresh and reduce risk of injury due to fatigue or just too much pounding.



When guys that started in 2013 will be fighting for back-up roles in 2014, we clearly have more depth even if none of the 2014 guys is as good as Daniel Sorensen.



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