Go Boise State

No go Frogs. BSU needs us more than we need them. TCU will be setting up for next year. After the bowls, TCU will be talked about should have been against AL.

Data for evaluating teams is based on the final regular season BCS poll numbers. The result of the game will be irrelevant in terms of becoming an AQ conference, so



GO FROGS!!! [byutx makes lame froggie hand gesture common among TCU and their fans]

If we could get in without BSU, I'd prefer it. A 9 team conference is so much better than a 10 team conference. If they say add BSU and we'll make the MWC AQ then I guess you have to do it. But otherwise, the MWC as is, is just as deserving as the most of the BCS conferences. I don't understand why depth of conferences matter. We'll have finished the season with as many or more ranked teams as any BCS conference two years in a row. They claim that a non-AQ would never make it undefeated in an AQ conference because they don't have the depth to survive the season. Sounds like a pretty circular argument to me. They non-AQ can't get depth because they can't sell themselves as a BCS conference to their recruits.



So regardless, I say GO FROGS!

Go Frogs. BSU is a poser. I expect TCU to hammer them, as they did us and Utah. BSU has a snowball's shot in hell. And I say that based upon the 2008 bowl game and 2009 results. TCU is just too good.

NO no NO! to TCU, if TCU beats BSU, then BSU will realize the only way to get respect will be to ask to join, whereas if BSU beats TCU why join and risk losing to TCU BYU, and Utah every year ?

Bronco's are so overrated, TCU will destroy them by a bigger margin than Florida will destroy their opponent. Awful match-ups this year.

I keep saying this, but I don't know that many believe it, but I really believe, unless some legal or congressional assistance comes into play, the BCS will find a way to prevent anyone from qualifying.



If you don't believe that, all you have to look to the screaming evidence just from yesterday where 1) the BCS had Cincinnati leapfrog TCU. That was just not a natural occurrence; and 2) they put both non-BCS teams in the same BCS bowl game.



People need to quit thinking life is fair and think that the BCS is going to be fair. Geez guys, people kill others for less money that we're talking about here with the BCS. Unless totally backed in a corner and/or forced to change things, the BCS will not reliquish their rights to any money.

EM_Puma wrote:
I keep saying this, but I don't know that many believe it, but I really believe, unless some legal or congressional assistance comes into play, the BCS will find a way to prevent anyone from qualifying.



If you don't believe that, all you have to look to the screaming evidence just from yesterday where 1) the BCS had Cincinnati leapfrog TCU. That was just not a natural occurrence; and 2) they put both non-BCS teams in the same BCS bowl game.



People need to quit thinking life is fair and think that the BCS is going to be fair. Geez guys, people kill others for less money that we're talking about here with the BCS. Unless totally backed in a corner and/or forced to change things, the BCS will not reliquish their rights to any money.

If the BCS were THAT determined to stop the progress of "nonBCS" teams then BSU wouldn't have been invited. Virginia Tech qualified and could have been invited.



The reality is the bowl games don't care about each other, want to make as much money as possible, and have the best game possible (in that order).



The Fiesta Bowl got the 2nd best game they possibly could. Only Cinci vs. BSU would have been a higher game on paper. But the Fiesta made the decision to go with TCU because of ticket sales. . .errrr. . . proximity to the game. It wasn't about denying anybody an opportunity especially when they granted an opportunity that they didn't have to grant.

No amount of cheering for BSU will make up for how badly they are going to get thrashed.

mormonrasta wrote:



If the BCS were THAT determined to stop the progress of "nonBCS" teams then BSU wouldn't have been invited. Virginia Tech qualified and could have been invited.



The reality is the bowl games don't care about each other, want to make as much money as possible.

Part one of your statement=FALSE. The BCS knew that the outcry from leaving out a #6 team would lead to tons of momentum for the Anti-BCS argument and they don't want to do anything to risk their monopoly over the college football world. So, they did as much damage control as possible by putting the two ugly sisters in the other room by themselves.



Part two of your statement=TRUE. So why in the hell would a bowl choose two teams with tiny tv markets and small fanbases? To protect the cartel and hopefully not give either team any credit for winning a BCS game.

Rasta you usually are the level head on this board and I respect you for that, honestly I do. But even you have to acknowledge there is something fishy here. Given the order of picks and your exact statement about the bowl games only wanting to make money, there is no reason at all for the Fiesta to have taken both non-AQs. They won't even come close to making as much money as any of the other BCS bowls this year. They had to know that. And so they are either just taking one "for the team" or there is some kind of backroom revenue sharing that will take place between the BCS bowls.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/01/08/college-football-championship-tv-ratings-1991-2008/10473



Complete College Football Championship TV Ratings, 1991-2008:



Year Bowl Network Rating Share Homes (million) Viewers (million) Teams

2008 BCS FOX 14.4 22 16.291 23.069 LSU vs. Ohio State

2007 BCS FOX 17.4 27 19.378 28.795 Florida vs. Ohio State

2006 Rose ABC 21.7 35 23.928 35.630 Texas vs. USC

2005 Orange ABC 13.7 22 14.996 21.419 USC vs. Oklahoma

2004 Sugar ABC 14.8 23 16.047 23.937 LSU vs. Oklahoma

2003 Fiesta ABC 17.2 29 18.385 29.104 Ohio State vs. Miami

2002 Rose ABC 13.8 22 14.548 21.559 Miami (Florida) vs Nebraska

2001 Orange ABC 17.8 28 18.200 27.240 Oklahoma vs. Florida State

2000 Sugar ABC 17.5 28 17.680 26.962 Florida State vs Virginia Tech

1999 Fiesta ABC 17.2 26 17.081 26.112 Tennessee vs Florida State

1998 Rose ABC 17.6 32 17.294 28.989 Michigan vs Washington State

1997 Sugar ABC 17.9 29 17.330 25.735 Florida vs Florida State

1996 Fiesta CBS 18.8 31 18.030 27.883 Nebraska vs Florida

1995 Orange NBC 18.9 31 18.031 30.000 Nebraska vs Miami (Florida)

1994 Orange NBC 17.8 31 16.768 28.814 Florida State vs Nebraska

1993 Sugar ABC 18.2 31 16.940 30.136 Alabama vs Miami (Florida)

1992 Orange NBC 11.0 18 10.130 16.591 Miami (Florida) vs Nebraska

1991 Orange NBC 18.3 30 17.040 29.600 Colorado vs Notre Dame



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2006-2008 data is Live+SD viewing. Prior years are Live viewing.



Nielsen TV Ratings Data: ©2008 The Nielsen Company. All Rights Reserved.



http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/stewart_mandel/01/04/bcs.ratings/index.html





Last year's bowl matchup between these two teams hauled in a whopping 3.7 on the tv ratings scale.

If TCU kills BSU which i expect, then talk about setting up the MWC ever year with a BCS bid even if we don't go undefeated.



I want TCU to kill BSU. My understanding is that even if we add BSU we still won't qualify for an autobid without them changing the rules (now that understanding could be way off).



Go Hornfrogs!! They got screwed and I hope they pound BSU to show that they should have been playing alabama in the title game. hopefully they will do this and convince enough to have them number 2 when all is said and done even though the bcs was tryign to stop that from happening as well.



mwc finishing 2 two years in a row is pretty impressive.

gmj81 wrote:
Rasta you usually are the level head on this board and I respect you for that, honestly I do. But even you have to acknowledge there is something fishy here. Given the order of picks and your exact statement about the bowl games only wanting to make money, there is no reason at all for the Fiesta to have taken both non-AQs. They won't even come close to making as much money as any of the other BCS bowls this year. They had to know that. And so they are either just taking one "for the team" or there is some kind of backroom revenue sharing that will take place between the BCS bowls.

I don't see what's fishy.



The Fiesta will make money. Both teams asked for more than their 17,500 allotment for the game (compare that to WVA a couple of years ago who had to return a few thousand tickets).



http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/15348/fiesta-bowl-wasnt-looking-at-the-non-aq-distiction



The remaining 30,000 tickets are pretty much sold out. So the game will be a sellout and that's the biggest worry when it comes to bowl organizers.

Schmoe wrote:

If the BCS were THAT determined to stop the progress of "nonBCS" teams then BSU wouldn't have been invited. Virginia Tech qualified and could have been invited.



The reality is the bowl games don't care about each other, want to make as much money as possible.

Part one of your statement=FALSE. The BCS knew that the outcry from leaving out a #6 team would lead to tons of momentum for the Anti-BCS argument and they don't want to do anything to risk their monopoly over the college football world. So, they did as much damage control as possible by putting the two ugly sisters in the other room by themselves.



Part two of your statement=TRUE. So why in the hell would a bowl choose two teams with tiny tv markets and small fanbases? To protect the cartel and hopefully not give either team any credit for winning a BCS game.

Yeah, the BCS is afraid of the outcry that would come from Boise. Ok.

'rasta, I read that the Fiesta Bowl felt this was a compelling matchup of having 2 undefeated teams play in a game outside of the title game. They say all the right things, but this really does a disservice to the non-AQ programs. They are denied a chance to play against "better" competition such as AQ teams. If they don't pull big numbers, it will hurt the MWC's chance of getting an AQ bid. Which ever team loses will be deemed overrated and shouldn't have been invited to the party.



As for who should we root for, we are in the MWC and so is TCU; therefore, we should root for our fellow conference member. I am even rooting for :utard: (gag, just threw up in my mouth -- whereelse would I throwup btw). BSU SCHMEE-S-U.



I talked to some BSU fans and they are disappointed with what the BCS did in putting TCU and BSU in the same game. They also think it was a conspiracy, regardless of what the Fiesta Bowl officials spout.



If it wasn't for the non-AQ issue, this would actually be a great matchup, inspite of it being a rematch from last season.

The more I think of it, the more I feel that the Fiesta Bowl acted in self interest. They took TCU first. Great move. But let's be clear--TCU has a puny fan base, they travel horribly and they will not sell many tickets. If they sell more than 10k I will be shocked. So the Bowl committee needs a team to sell tickets. The choices left are Cincinnati or BSU. BSU went to 1 Fiesta Bowl, sold many tickets and represented. Cinci played in the Orange Bowl last year, and did not sell as many tickets. Based upon that factor, I think the Bowl took Boise State. They are closer, can sell more tickets than Cinci, and are undefeated as well. I do not love it, but I understand why. These BCS Bowls need to sell tickets.

mormonrasta wrote:

Rasta you usually are the level head on this board and I respect you for that, honestly I do. But even you have to acknowledge there is something fishy here. Given the order of picks and your exact statement about the bowl games only wanting to make money, there is no reason at all for the Fiesta to have taken both non-AQs. They won't even come close to making as much money as any of the other BCS bowls this year. They had to know that. And so they are either just taking one "for the team" or there is some kind of backroom revenue sharing that will take place between the BCS bowls.

I don't see what's fishy.



The Fiesta will make money. Both teams asked for more than their 17,500 allotment for the game (compare that to WVA a couple of years ago who had to return a few thousand tickets).



http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/15348/fiesta-bowl-wasnt-looking-at-the-non-aq-distiction



The remaining 30,000 tickets are pretty much sold out. So the game will be a sellout and that's the biggest worry when it comes to bowl organizers.

From what I understand, TV ratings for the BCS and bigger bowls is first priority as they don't have to worry as much about selling enough tickets on an annual basis to stay afloat. Then ticket sales is also a consideration of course but not before TV ratings. For the smaller bowls like the LVB and Poinsettia, of course they have to worry more about selling enough tickets to keep their bowl game eligible.



The tickets may be sold out, but I'll be shocked if the stadium is full come January.

CougarPeasant wrote:
They say all the right things, but this really does a disservice to the non-AQ programs. They are denied a chance to play against "better" competition such as AQ teams. If they don't pull big numbers, it will hurt the MWC's chance of getting an AQ bid.

Who exactly is this better competition that you speak of?



If TCU or BSU beats Iowa or Penn St., the conclusion is that the Big 10 is overrated again, and heaven forbid if Iowa beats TCU or BSU.



If TCU or BSU beats Florida, the conclusion is that Florida has SEC championship hangover, and heaven forbid if Florida beats TCU or BSU.



If TCU or BSU beats Georgia Tech, the conclusion is that the ACC stinks in BCS games, and heaven forbid if Georgia Tech beats TCU or BSU.



Honestly, aren't we done trying to prove ourselves to the so called "better" competition? Utah showed us in '04 that a nonBCS champ is as good as any BCS champ. BSU reaffirmed that in '06. Utah last year showed that that a nonBCS team could dominate. We ARE the better competition.



The only questions that remain are: 1. Can nonAQ teams actually carry a BCS bowl game for both attendance and tv instead of relying on a big name like Oklahoma or Alabama? That will be answered this year as we are finally taking the floaties off and swimming for ourselves. 2. Can a nonAQ team actually play in a national championship? We almost found that out this year, but we will have to wait for BYU to do it in two years. ;)