just a random thought...

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865598963/Jordan-Stone-Danny-Berger-leaving-Utah-State-basketball-program.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



Jordan Stone is not a great basketball player, but a solid enforcer. exactly what we need for next year... he's graduating this year so he can play immediately next year



Who would you give up for a year of having stone play with our returning guards?



I had hopes that Sharp would become our enforcer, but the dude hasn't put on an ounce of weight since he got to the Y.



We're already over on scholarships right now, but if sharp leaves and andrus goes on his mission now, we would have room for stone and aytes... that's not a bad team and stone would be huge in the non con until aytes got eligible.

Do you thing he would come? Might not be much PT.

I think he would very useful for us. But I think he is looking to play 30+ mpg.

Rumors swirling that Kyle Davis PF/USU could be headed our way. Maybe we take Stone for a year as well

I think stone would be solid, never spectacular. He and Austen could cause some problems in the middle and pick up a lot of rebounds. I think he would be an upgrade to sharp at this point.



Anyway we can talk Worthington into playing football next year then join the BBall team mid season? That would get football to pick up his scholarship and free another one up for us. I know, it's a dream, but would be nice, except for the fact Worthington needs all the BBall practice he can get. ;)

http://www.usufans.com/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=31998&start=225" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



Something bad is brewing up there

The way it looks, is Kyle Davis is leaving, and there might be bigger drama up there, and he also just got engaged (not sure that has any bearing on his decision). Anywhere he goes, he's going to have to sit out the year unless something funky happened up there so we have to assume that he's not eligible to us for next year.



Stone is eligible now because he's a 4 yr grad with a post grad year left.



You can get them both by showing Sharp the door and asking Andrus to go on his mission 1st. Also because stone is only a 1 year player and davis would have 3 to play 2, they fit.



No idea if any of this will transpire, but it looks like Utah State is in huge trouble right now and it would be wise for BYU (and the Utes) to help make sure Utah State never again gets serious basketball footing in this state.



Davis is everything that Josh Sharp never became. He's a double double machine now and was less in demand than Josh out of high school (originally signed with SUU) but he's built himself into a very solid 4 that can rebound, score, and most importantly play defense. If he takes his year off with the intention of getting in even better shape and getting stronger, he'll be a great 2 year pickup. He's not an all American, but he is an enforcer and effort guy. Regardless I dont' see how he's eligible for next year unless something really really bad happened up there that frees him up immediately.

http://www.utahstateaggies.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2013-2014/usu-byu.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How would we add Stone, Davis, Aytes, and Musoku?? If the Rumors are true we are looking at adding all 4 of these guys being that Musoku has a rumored offer

BYU doesn't need enforcers. They need shot makers. BYU has had all of ONE shot maker since Jimmer left - Haws. Rose has whiffed on EVERY shooter he's recruited since Haws. Everyone he's brought in to make outside shots has missed. Some so spectacularly they were gone within one season. Others just have never panned out. BYU has a desperate need for shooters and they keep missing on guys. Until that changes the Cougars will struggle.



We have a roster full of guys who can't shoot (Halford, Winder, Carlino, Collinsworth) and guyis who are afraid to shoot (Sharp, Austin) that's too many guys who can't be counted on on the offensive end.

SpiffCoug wrote:
BYU doesn't need enforcers. They need shot makers. BYU has had all of ONE shot maker since Jimmer left - Haws. Rose has whiffed on EVERY shooter he's recruited since Haws. Everyone he's brought in to make outside shots has missed. Some so spectacularly they were gone within one season. Others just have never panned out. BYU has a desperate need for shooters and they keep missing on guys. Until that changes the Cougars will struggle.



We have a roster full of guys who can't shoot (Halford, Winder, Carlino, Collinsworth) and guyis who are afraid to shoot (Sharp, Austin) that's too many guys who can't be counted on on the offensive end.

Defense is our problem not offense. We need enforcers in the paint.



It'd be nice if our guards made better offensive decisions, but we can score. We led the nation in getting to the ft line and were at the top in ftm. We were in the top 15% in scoring offense.



Defense, defense, defense...

beauso79 wrote:
How would we add Stone, Davis, Aytes, and Musoku?? If the Rumors are true we are looking at adding all 4 of these guys being that Musoku has a rumored offer

We can't add all 4. And I have seen nowhere yet where Stone and Davis are even looking at BYU. It's all just hypothetical at this point.

craigoscarson wrote:

BYU doesn't need enforcers. They need shot makers. BYU has had all of ONE shot maker since Jimmer left - Haws. Rose has whiffed on EVERY shooter he's recruited since Haws. Everyone he's brought in to make outside shots has missed. Some so spectacularly they were gone within one season. Others just have never panned out. BYU has a desperate need for shooters and they keep missing on guys. Until that changes the Cougars will struggle.



We have a roster full of guys who can't shoot (Halford, Winder, Carlino, Collinsworth) and guyis who are afraid to shoot (Sharp, Austin) that's too many guys who can't be counted on on the offensive end.

Defense is our problem not offense. We need enforcers in the paint.



It'd be nice if our guards made better offensive decisions, but we can score. We led the nation in getting to the ft line and were at the top in ftm. We were in the top 15% in scoring offense.



Defense, defense, defense...

Agreed with Craig. We need players that can defend man, and forwards/centers that can body slam (or block, even better) players that drive to the hole.



The zone defense is dead. Sharp isn't going to get time at SF and he van't be relied on at PF. Our bigs next year are a huge question mark. Who isn't a question mark is Carlino get serious minutes at point, and Haws at either SG or SF. Load the roster with big men that can stop drivers and give fouls. Play man defense. Having 5 big men that can board and foul and playing man defense only gives us 5 more wins this year.

Having Andrus go on a mission first messes up scholarships 2 years from now. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some unexpected changes to the roster this off season, along with some expected ones.

stuckinbig10country wrote:
Having Andrus go on a mission first messes up scholarships 2 years from now. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some unexpected changes to the roster this off season, along with some expected ones.

I think it would be easier to find a soft landing for an RM.. our recruiting is improving and our quality of recruits is better than some of the guys on missions. For example Braiden Shaw is a bigger risk than taking Kyle Davis right now as a proven college 4.



It's going to be interesting how this all plays out though. We have potential access to better players than some of the players we already have or already are in the pipeline.

Hypothetical situation: lets say that Carlino takes his ball and goes home and then KC isn't ready to start the season. Who is our starting PG until KC is ready?? Please don't say Halford........Chatman would be about our only other option besides Halford.



If you want read into Carlino's quote after the Oregon loss: ".....or all theses guys."



"It is tough to even think about not playing with this dude [Mika] or all these guys."



http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/cougars/57712790-88/byu-season-oregon-loss.html.csp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

beauso79 wrote:
Hypothetical situation: lets say that Carlino takes his ball and goes home and then KC isn't ready to start the season. Who is our starting PG until KC is ready?? Please don't say Halford........Chatman would be about our only other option besides Halford.



If you want read into Carlino's quote after the Oregon loss: ".....or all theses guys."



"It is tough to even think about not playing with this dude [Mika] or all these guys."



http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/cougars/57712790-88/byu-season-oregon-loss.html.csp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Carlino isn't going anywhere... stop the madness



KC will be ready too



We still don't have a solid 4 to start the season

craigoscarson wrote:

Hypothetical situation: lets say that Carlino takes his ball and goes home and then KC isn't ready to start the season. Who is our starting PG until KC is ready?? Please don't say Halford........Chatman would be about our only other option besides Halford.



If you want read into Carlino's quote after the Oregon loss: ".....or all theses guys."



"It is tough to even think about not playing with this dude [Mika] or all these guys."



http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/cougars/57712790-88/byu-season-oregon-loss.html.csp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Carlino isn't going anywhere... stop the madness



KC will be ready too



We still don't have a solid 4 to start the season

Here, here.



Way to make mountain out of a mole hill. I read MC's quote as he's going to miss playing with Mika but didn't want to look like he was playing favorites. Plus the season is over so he won't be balling with them everyday.



KC will be out shooting around by June.



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craigoscarson wrote:

Hypothetical situation: lets say that Carlino takes his ball and goes home and then KC isn't ready to start the season. Who is our starting PG until KC is ready?? Please don't say Halford........Chatman would be about our only other option besides Halford.



If you want read into Carlino's quote after the Oregon loss: ".....or all theses guys."



"It is tough to even think about not playing with this dude [Mika] or all these guys."



http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/cougars/57712790-88/byu-season-oregon-loss.html.csp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Carlino isn't going anywhere... stop the madness



KC will be ready too



We still don't have a solid 4 to start the season

Do we have a solid 5?



This is why KC is critical. In a pinch he can cover 1 thru 4. He is not great at any of those spots. But good enough with certain match ups to fill any of them. We are short a 4. KC will play more 4. Point guard gets in foul trouble. KC will play point. Haws needs a blow. KC can give 5 minutes. Even the 2 if desperate.



But he ain't gonna fill the 5. And we do not have a solid, proven 5. Hope someone steps up.



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BlueIsBetter wrote:

SpiffCoug wrote:
BYU doesn't need enforcers. They need shot makers. BYU has had all of ONE shot maker since Jimmer left - Haws. Rose has whiffed on EVERY shooter he's recruited since Haws. Everyone he's brought in to make outside shots has missed. Some so spectacularly they were gone within one season. Others just have never panned out. BYU has a desperate need for shooters and they keep missing on guys. Until that changes the Cougars will struggle.



We have a roster full of guys who can't shoot (Halford, Winder, Carlino, Collinsworth) and guyis who are afraid to shoot (Sharp, Austin) that's too many guys who can't be counted on on the offensive end.

Defense is our problem not offense. We need enforcers in the paint.



It'd be nice if our guards made better offensive decisions, but we can score. We led the nation in getting to the ft line and were at the top in ftm. We were in the top 15% in scoring offense.



Defense, defense, defense...

Agreed with Craig. We need players that can defend man, and forwards/centers that can body slam (or block, even better) players that drive to the hole.



The zone defense is dead. Sharp isn't going to get time at SF and he van't be relied on at PF. Our bigs next year are a huge question mark. Who isn't a question mark is Carlino get serious minutes at point, and Haws at either SG or SF. Load the roster with big men that can stop drivers and give fouls. Play man defense. Having 5 big men that can board and foul and playing man defense only gives us 5 more wins this year.

I think you should change your tagline from Anae to "Carlino is the Guy." Credit you for being so faithful to him. He has a role and BYU needs him desperately. But if he can't bring a consistency and not quintessential Carlino, he will go out his Sr year as not having accomplished everything he could. But then again, so also will KC if he doesn't improve his jump shot. And there is still something left for Tyler. From the other thread, maybe its Tyler leading this team to wins. Throw in Austin getting his offensive game back on and all four taking their game to the next level, plug in another big--if Rose can find one, and this team could be really good. But, if each stands still, we will have another year with hardly tolerable zone D and have outscore teams--which has a half life.

Shall we bemoan potentially getting stuck supporting another pathetic NCAA Tournament 1 and done tea next season or b celebrate the fact that such an accomplishment puts us in about the top 12% of all NCAA teams. But, I agree that these players all need to grow and help needs to come from new guys if we want to move even higher.



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