Tom Holme up for paying stipends

Holmoe re: potential student-athlete stipends: "We're prepared to do what it takes to be competitive...we're prepared to make that move."

— Greg Wrubell (@gregwrubell)

This along with Holmoe previously saying BYU will do everything it can to stick with the P5 conferences should allay your fears.



I personally think BYU would do very well in a paid environment. Imagine if we could tell recruits Jimmer signed a multi-million dollar ad deal before his senior year.

I would even contribute to an annual fund if they needed it. We are a mature enough program and fan base that we should be able to hang with anyone.

I have no issue with a student making some money off of his notoriety. I do have an issue with schools paying the students directly.



If a college athlete wants to cash in on their popularity and do commercials for the local car dealership, great. But if colleges start handing out checks, that spells trouble for the sport.

power conf would just get that much better or I could see some power conf lose depth here. 2nd string guy for Bama could be a star at another school..maybe it could be helpful..

ChiTownCOUG wrote:
power conf would just get that much better or I could see some power conf lose depth here. 2nd string guy for Bama could be a star at another school..maybe it could be helpful..

Alabama could afford to pay 2nd and 3rd stringers more $$ then a mid level team in Kansas or Utah. This will just consolidate the best players to the richest 5 or 10 teams.

hawkwing wrote:

power conf would just get that much better or I could see some power conf lose depth here. 2nd string guy for Bama could be a star at another school..maybe it could be helpful..

Alabama could afford to pay 2nd and 3rd stringers more $$ then a mid level team in Kansas or Utah. This will just consolidate the best players to the richest 5 or 10 teams.

You are amazingly sure of yourself.



I have no idea what athletes would be paid on the free market other than they would be paid more than they are now. I'm sure if you look at football only revenues, Alabama would be great. I'm not sure if their backups would make more than starters at other schools but if they aren't starting they wouldn't have much of a chance of landing endorsement deals, which is where I think the real money would be in college athletics.



Anyway, it's good to know your hysteria regarding the downfall of BYU athletics is just that and has no basis in fact. BYU will keep up with the P5 conferences even if they start to pay athletes an honest wage.

jvquarterback wrote:

ChiTownCOUG wrote:
power conf would just get that much better or I could see some power conf lose depth here. 2nd string guy for Bama could be a star at another school..maybe it could be helpful..

Alabama could afford to pay 2nd and 3rd stringers more $$ then a mid level team in Kansas or Utah. This will just consolidate the best players to the richest 5 or 10 teams.

You are amazingly sure of yourself.



I have no idea what athletes would be paid on the free market other than they would be paid more than they are now. I'm sure if you look at football only revenues, Alabama would be great. I'm not sure if their backups would make more than starters at other schools but if they aren't starting they wouldn't have much of a chance of landing endorsement deals, which is where I think the real money would be in college athletics.



Anyway, it's good to know your hysteria regarding the downfall of BYU athletics is just that and has no basis in fact. BYU will keep up with the P5 conferences even if they start to pay athletes an honest wage.

Of course I'm sure of myself, I have historical precedent on my side.



BYU will be able to keep up with the big 5 conferences as long as the conversation is about stipends, but once it inevitably moves to pay for play or heaven forbid unionizing, then BYU is out. A $200 stipend is a lot easier to match than a million dollar "endorsement" deal.

jvquarterback wrote:

ChiTownCOUG wrote:
power conf would just get that much better or I could see some power conf lose depth here. 2nd string guy for Bama could be a star at another school..maybe it could be helpful..

Alabama could afford to pay 2nd and 3rd stringers more $$ then a mid level team in Kansas or Utah. This will just consolidate the best players to the richest 5 or 10 teams.

You are amazingly sure of yourself.



I have no idea what athletes would be paid on the free market other than they would be paid more than they are now. I'm sure if you look at football only revenues, Alabama would be great. I'm not sure if their backups would make more than starters at other schools but if they aren't starting they wouldn't have much of a chance of landing endorsement deals, which is where I think the real money would be in college athletics.



Anyway, it's good to know your hysteria regarding the downfall of BYU athletics is just that and has no basis in fact. BYU will keep up with - the BOTTOM 2/3 TO 1/2 OF P5 conference TEAMS - even if they start to pay athletes an honest - BUT WELL BELOW ELITE. - wage.

Totally agree with above - as adjusted. ;) I just hope some regulation stays in. Scholarship limits. Even breaking the rules, boosters at schools where football is life have coughed up huge under the table player benefits. Will that all be legal now? BYU has great fans and boosters, but since Marriott built MC, BYU has not seen anything resembling what Oregon, Okie State, Top SEC, and other top 10-20% teams see legally and what Miami and Auburn and others do under the table.



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jvquarterback wrote:

ChiTownCOUG wrote:
power conf would just get that much better or I could see some power conf lose depth here. 2nd string guy for Bama could be a star at another school..maybe it could be helpful..

Alabama could afford to pay 2nd and 3rd stringers more $$ then a mid level team in Kansas or Utah. This will just consolidate the best players to the richest 5 or 10 teams.

You are amazingly sure of yourself.



I have no idea what athletes would be paid on the free market other than they would be paid more than they are now. I'm sure if you look at football only revenues, Alabama would be great. I'm not sure if their backups would make more than starters at other schools but if they aren't starting they wouldn't have much of a chance of landing endorsement deals, which is where I think the real money would be in college athletics.



Anyway, it's good to know your hysteria regarding the downfall of BYU athletics is just that and has no basis in fact. BYU will keep up with the P5 conferences even if they start to pay athletes an honest wage.

What is an honest wage? If you're a backup and you blossom your sophmore year you are worth $x to your school and that's a fair wage based on your value to your employer. However, to another schoool you might be worth $2x and a fair wage would be higher. If it goes to wages how do determine a fair wage without allowing for players to transfer?



If players start transfering it becomes like pro sports but at a lower quality of entertainment. There will no longer be a BYU football team instead there will just be players that move around each year like the pros. BYU could keep up with the average P5 team but the average team wouldn't even be close to the top teams.



Go play semi-pro ball if you deserve a wage as a player out of high school.



I'm all for a stipend that allows players to have a little money to pay for a meal or go see mom once in while.

Umm, the way it's being talked about right now is all athletes at a specific school would get the same amount as any other athlete at that school. Starting QB would get the same as 2nd string female lacrosse player.



I think the scholarship should be enough payment from the school, but that athletes shouldn't have to sign a blanket release of their likeness (although I've done that at a company I worked for so they could have my face in videos/pamphlets for which no one was making money). That is where the athletes can make their money is on sale of merchandise and advertising. The schools could require individual releases to be part of the game programs, team billboards, etc.

I agree with those who are wondering why schools should pay the students directly. Let them earn contracts and endorsements. Schools provide the education, Let their work on the field pay if they are worth said endorsements. Jimmer certainly would NOT have needed BYU paying him to make a ton of cash and deals while at BYU.

hawkwing wrote:

I have historical precedent on my side.

What sport has BYU done away with because athletes are allowed to be paid?

Stirfry wrote:
What is an honest wage?

One in which a bunch of government institutions don't collude to keep from paying the free market value of their employees.

jvquarterback wrote:

What is an honest wage?

One in which a bunch of government institutions don't collude to keep from paying the free market value of their employees.

What about union involvement? See: Northwestern

jvquarterback wrote:

What is an honest wage?

One in which a bunch of government institutions don't collude to keep from paying the free market value of their employees.

Or, in the case of professional sports, one where private enterprise forms a cartel where each team has limits on the number of players it can hire or salary caps or both to avoid paying a fair wage.



Or private professions like doctors, laywers, and accountants or the schools that train them put artificial constraints on the supply. ;)



not trying to offend anyone - and I am a free market guy - right to work guy - just very hard to find any truly free markets for anything where the government had not intervened to mess with competition to the benefit of a constituent.



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jvquarterback wrote:

What is an honest wage?

One in which a bunch of government institutions don't collude to keep from paying the free market value of their employees.

I just don't think you can determine an honest wage for upper classman when they aren't allowed to be on the open market. If players are free to transfer and enter the market, I really think it would ruin college sports.



An honest wage can only be determined by the market, especially for players that are good but sitting behind great players, and if you can't transfer there's no market.



(Utah has 8 QB's as of yesterday, some of which looked promising but enevitable will never see the field now. What's their worth?)

Cougarbib wrote:
Or, in the case of professional sports, one where private enterprise forms a cartel where each team has limits on the number of players it can hire or salary caps or both to avoid paying a fair wage.



Or private professions like doctors, laywers, and accountants or the schools that train them put artificial constraints on the supply.

In the first case there is still a free market. There has never existed in the history of the world a controlling cartel or monopoly without the force of government. You can argue that a monopoly power in professional sports today exists, but if so it is only granted by the government through the powers it gives the player's unions.



You're absolutely right. I have no idea how much money I would make on the free market as a physician. There hasn't been a free market in medicine for 140 years in the US and longer in Europe. For lawyers there has never been a free market. And it has to do more with licensing by the state that constraints by the schools (which are constrained by the licensing laws of the states).

Stirfry wrote:

I just don't think you can determine an honest wage for upper classman when they aren't allowed to be on the open market. If players are free to transfer and enter the market, I really think it would ruin college sports.

Just make the kids sign 4-5 year contracts if you really want and the employee is willing to sign. But then maybe a team like Boise would sign really good 3-4* kids to 3 year contracts and tell them they'll have a chance to start right away and if they prove themselves they can transfer to Alabama or USC or just go straight to the NFL - I mean we already know they're really just a JC anyway, so what's the difference.

I disagree with the characterization that Holmoe is "up for" paying athletes. He said BYU could adapt and survive, but I think that's a far cry from being "up for" it.