Coaching genius or foolishness: Opinion and Poll

I have seen at least one poster, but maybe there are others who think Rose's tactics of bringing two of BYUs five best players off the bench. THat poster's points have been conventionally and historically valid, but are they current-context Less valid? Is this creative approach doomed to fail? Is starting two lesser players going to lead to slow Starts for BYU? Or does sitting MC and EM on the bench to start mitigating weaknesses which then allow their strengths to come out?

This is not an attack on that poster as much as it is a opinion poll of Rose's very creative tactics that very likely led to a win over Gonzaga and seems to be helping this team get out of its way and its weaknesses--two of which are Mika getting into early foul trouble and the other getting Matty-basketball off to more even keel start which then leads to more productivity and less out of control play.

Personally, I think it is genius. Rosé has finally taken control of this team and leveraging its strengths while also mitigating its weaknesses. The ancillary improvements such as benching KC at end of close games (see, look he has finally changed his shooting motion and pre-shot drill--though his timing is still sketchy and looks uncomfortable), starting Winder in place of Halford, but utilizing both at end of games, and even bringing along Luke W for some productive defensive minutes in the post (he plays defense with his base and not his upper body as Mika does--which is probably leading to at least as productive D starts as Mika was rendering.); not to mention that this team has much better balanced scoring and is not just the Tyler Haws show.

At any rate, I like where this team is going and the coaching

Thoughts?

It's been a good move that has really paid dividends the last two weeks. Whether it's a viable, long-term solution to post-players' foul troubles, is something it yet to be determined.



It is nice to see players embrace the moves and realize it's not starting that matters, it's the overall minutes and who finishes.

I think this strategy has been both resourceful and productive. I don't see it as being risky, since it can easily be adjusted back to the way it was, if needed, and that need would also be easily determined. In the mean time, it is good to see other players being developed with early game minutes. Hats off to Rose.



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Coaching is a game of stroke and counter-stroke. It has been very successful the last couple of games, but now we will begin to see what the other coaches will do to counter it, will it continue to work? I don't know, but Rose needs to be thinking 2 or 3 moves ahead.

I think the results speak for themselves.

I'm on the fence on this one, so didn't vote. While it may have helped with Mika coming off the bench against Gonzaga and Portland, I'm not convinced it's been a smart move with Carlino - at least not the length of Carlino's bench role.



An argument can certainly be made that the moves have paid off and the results speak for themselves and therefore it was an ingenious move. Fine, it's worked/working...for now.



But what about next year? Or, the year after.



Is it really smart/ingenious to have a guy like KC play the point? KC has no future at the next level as a PG and dribbling up the court and passing if off to Haws or Halford the moment he comes within 5 feet of the 3 point line really doesn't qualify as a PG.



IMO opinion, Rose is getting some wins now but it may be at the cost of wins later.

Gunk wrote:

Is it really smart/ingenious to have a guy like KC play the point? KC has no future at the next level as a PG and dribbling up the court and passing if off to Haws or Halford the moment he comes within 5 feet of the 3 point line really doesn't qualify as a PG.

If KC has a NBA future it is several years away. He isn't a center and everyone else needs to be able to shoot, so he needs to put in the work and become a lot better. If he can play some point in the NBA it would make him far more valuable. RIght now he is kinda a poor man's Evan Turner.



As for the coaching adjustments, I think bring Mika off the bench is a reaction to WCC refs feeling the to call some early fouls to set the tone for the game. If we make the NCAA's I expect to see Mika start.



Carlino coming off the bench has been effective because it give the offense a definite game plan to start the game.



KC plays the point. Winder is spacing the floor. Austin and Worthington are screen the heck out of guys to get Haws shots. After a few minutes of that Mika comes in and we can go into the post. Once the D adjusts to that Carlino comes in and changes our offensive again.



Ideally Mika would learn how to avoid cheap fouls. Ideally Carlino would learn out do defer without become disengaged.



But for this team right now it is the right move. It will be interesting to see what happens next year.

Gunk wrote:
I'm on the fence on this one, so didn't vote. While it may have helped with Mika coming off the bench against Gonzaga and Portland, I'm not convinced it's been a smart move with Carlino - at least not the length of Carlino's bench role.



An argument can certainly be made that the moves have paid off and the results speak for themselves and therefore it was an ingenious move. Fine, it's worked/working...for now.



But what about next year? Or, the year after.



Is it really smart/ingenious to have a guy like KC play the point? KC has no future at the next level as a PG and dribbling up the court and passing if off to Haws or Halford the moment he comes within 5 feet of the 3 point line really doesn't qualify as a PG.



IMO opinion, Rose is getting some wins now but it may be at the cost of wins later.

KC is already re-tooling his shot. He wants to get better. Rosé benching this competitor at end of games when FTs count has gotten his attention. If KC can retool his shot, he absolutely has a shot at playing PG at the next level. Not as a starter probably, but he has An uncanny ability to get to the rim and dribble In traffic. He's only going to get better at both dribbling/distributing and shooting. Hes only a sophomore and he has to be a finalist for MVP at BYU and may even make all-WCC conference 2nd team.

Genius. And why would anyone assume that these moves are forever. I also would not assume that the foul trouble issue is just WCC. Foul trouble started way before that.



All teams need to get a feel for how a game is being called. Then players adjust to that. Rose is just letting Worthington risk a foul or two while BYU figures this out. It will work that way in post season play. Once Mika quits leating opponents frustrate him into committing a stupid foul or two per game, Mika could risk an early foul.



Note that Austin has improved re fouls, and needs less sheltering.

Speaking of "true point guards" and "real point guards" we could probably start a poll asking which of MIka and Worthington is the truer post defender. Probably hands down Mika, bc of his quickness. But in terms of holding posts off the block, LW might be better/truer. He certainly is stronger in his base, legs and hips (no wonder he was a good football player) and a truer post defender is likely to get fewer fouls than when playing with his arms and upper body when reaching and hacking happens. So, probably Mika, but LW has been at least serviceable to very serviceable as a post defender, particularly a freshman, enough to allow perimeter defense to worry less about the post and doubling down and early post fouls. Has this also helped perimeter D early in games? Not enough data points to be conclusive, but I look forward to USD and Johhny D to see more.