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by hawkwing · 12/30/2013

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This post is focusing only on Taysom Hill's performance and where he must improve next year for BYU to perform better than this year.



When I watch Taysom's game, he has 3 significant weaknesses that must be addressed.



1. His field vision is poor. This is harder to see on television, but for those who have watched games in person, you may have noticed that there is often an open receiver that Taysom doesn't see. He'll force a throw into triple coverage to the left when a receiver is running wide open on the right, or vice versa. There may be some part of this where he only trusts the wide receiver that is triple covered, but there were many times during the season JD Falslev would be pretty open in the middle of the field and Taysom never found him. This is something Jason Beck needs to be sitting down and going over the film with Taysom to get figured out.



2. Taysom holds on to the ball too long. This may seem like an odd complaint when we have other topics about how Taysom only has a second before our porous offensive line allows the defenders through, but the fact is, both complaints are true. The offensive line needs to block better, but that's a topic for another thread this thread is solely about Taysom. Taysom has had more than a fair share of plays where the offensive line has given him 4+ seconds in the back field. That's long enough to make any play, but Taysom tends to hold on rather than throwing to wear the receiver will be when he makes his break. Again this is something that Jason Beck needs to go over in film study.



3. Taysom is wearing himself out and becomes more ineffective passing as the game goes on. Because he's trying to take the whole load on his own shoulders and not giving up the ball, he's literally carrying us to defeat. He had 246 carries on the year, which is probably a 120 too many. His PER stats show too how he gets less and less effective as the game goes on:

1st Quarter: 110.09

2nd Quarter: 142.13

3rd Quarter: 118.15

4th Quarter: 100.84



1st half: 125.34

2nd half: 108.58



Hill needs to hand off on the option play 85% of the time, as opposed to the <10% of the time he is now.



I think if Taysom can improve on these 3 areas he and the entire BYU offense will have the best season of BYU football in a very long time.
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jonnylingo
hawkwing wrote:
This post is focusing only on Taysom Hill's performance and where he must improve next year for BYU to perform better than this year.



When I watch Taysom's game, he has 3 significant weaknesses that must be addressed.



1. His field vision is poor. This is harder to see on television, but for those who have watched games in person, you may have noticed that there is often an open receiver that Taysom doesn't see. He'll force a throw into triple coverage to the left when a receiver is running wide open on the right, or vice versa. There may be some part of this where he only trusts the wide receiver that is triple covered, but there were many times during the season JD Falslev would be pretty open in the middle of the field and Taysom never found him. This is something Jason Beck needs to be sitting down and going over the film with Taysom to get figured out.



Part of this is the fact that he is being rolled out to disguise our oline's deficiencies a very large number of pass plays. he is not getting the experience he needs finding receivers because he never has time to look. so to scheme around that they roll him out which eliminates half the field.



2. Taysom holds on to the ball too long. This may seem like an odd complaint when we have other topics about how Taysom only has a second before our porous offensive line allows the defenders through, but the fact is, both complaints are true. The offensive line needs to block better, but that's a topic for another thread this thread is solely about Taysom. Taysom has had more than a fair share of plays where the offensive line has given him 4+ seconds in the back field. That's long enough to make any play, but Taysom tends to hold on rather than throwing to wear the receiver will be when he makes his break. Again this is something that Jason Beck needs to go over in film study.



good point. he does.



3. Taysom is wearing himself out and becomes more ineffective passing as the game goes on. Because he's trying to take the whole load on his own shoulders and not giving up the ball, he's literally carrying us to defeat. He had 246 carries on the year, which is probably a 120 too many. His PER stats show too how he gets less and less effective as the game goes on:

1st Quarter: 110.09

2nd Quarter: 142.13

3rd Quarter: 118.15

4th Quarter: 100.84



1st half: 125.34

2nd half: 108.58



Hill needs to hand off on the option play 85% of the time, as opposed to the <10% of the time he is now.



I think if Taysom can improve on these 3 areas he and the entire BYU offense will have the best season of BYU football in a very long time.



this is mostly on offensive scheme and oline. gfgh seems to wear down our offense as much as it wears down the defense, or more. also when nothing is which is usually the case when we are playing a good defense, taysom is our only hope. the line ain't gonna get it done. receivesr look even worse because line won't give them time to get open. line also not opening up holes for jamal and co. this i think fixes itself when we get a better and deeper oline. and i personally think the gfgh needs to be dialed back a little for this reason
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stuckinbig10country
1. His field vision has regressed, a lot. He was better at reading defenses and also moving safeties with his eyes in limited action in 2012 than he was in 2013. I think some of this is due to the offense that is now being run. I think Hill is the best for running this system at BYU, but I'm not sure it's the system that's best suited for his talents. He has the talent to be exceptional, just not sure this system can lead to that.



2. Yes, he holds the ball too long, or rather he has proven to be indecisive with the ball in his hands. The other problem is that he also doesn't let the play develop enough before tucking and running. This will probably change with repetition and experience.



3. I completely agree, but I think that will need to come from a slight scheme adjustment. Instead of it being a read option, they should just call the dive with the read option fake more often. Jamaal is a beast, let him beast away.
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mtnradio
I'm not a quarterback ... except maybe of the Monday Morning type. BUT, it seems to me that 1 and 2 are very much inter-realated. BECAUSE he has poor field vision, he waits until a receiver is open to make the pass. It might also be that he doesn't have the trust in his receivers to make the break he thinks they should.



Is that part of the unintended consequences of GFGH ... TH doesn't have time to read the defense and therefore lacks the confidence in which route each receiver will run?



I think another unintended consequence is the fatigue factor for our offense. Defenses have learned to swap platoon's quickly and try to keep a fresh squad out there ... and we saw some teams with depth to do that (while our offense doesn't have such depth). I wonder if proper fueling needs to be addressed. Should the team be "required" to consume additional calories (Xojo anyone?) during the first half and at half-time so that they have higher energy levels the second half? Would that reasonably be expected to mitigate the decline of TH's performance that was referenced? (realizing that the discussion as to whether it would mitigate the decline of performance for the rest of the team is beyond the scope of this thread).



Coach Beck has a young man with enormous talent. With some additional coaching and maturation, I believe TH can be one of the greats. I'm hoping to get to see all of it!
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mtnradio makes an interesting point about the GFGH consequences of reading the defense.



I remember how much we would all complain about how long Beck and Hall would wait before snapping the ball. You would often times see the defense in disarray and Beck and Hall would patiently wait until they were set to snap the ball. Cougar fans of course wanted BYU to snap the ball early and catch the defense by surprise, but it's hard to argue with the results of the QB knowing what defense the opposing team was running and where to attack it.
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stuckinbig10country
hawkwing wrote:
mtnradio makes an interesting point about the GFGH consequences of reading the defense.



I remember how much we would all complain about how long Beck and Hall would wait before snapping the ball. You would often times see the defense in disarray and Beck and Hall would patiently wait until they were set to snap the ball. Cougar fans of course wanted BYU to snap the ball early and catch the defense by surprise, but it's hard to argue with the results of the QB knowing what defense the opposing team was running and where to attack it.


They need to make some tweaks to the system, because they do need to give the QB/WR/RB time to make at least a quick read of what they're seeing. I like GFGH, in principle. The gash/big plays need to be there for it to be effective. Those type of plays were not there enough. If they even went 4 or 5 seconds slower, just for a little big longer of a read, it probably wouldn't hurt.
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frdbtr
I like the go fast go hard idea, the problem with the way it is being run right now is they emphasize going fast over going hard which IMO is bass ackwards. If you watch Oregon, they take time to set up and read the defense and then audible into a different play if needed even in their fast scheme. BYU ran the fastest offense in the country last year and still didn't average much over 30pts per game. I think BYU needs to put more emphasis on going hard and slow down a couple seconds between snaps. Slow down to go faster.



As far as taysom hill, I think most of his problems are due to offensive scheme and the offensive line. Sorry to hijack the thread but it is hard to see open guys when you have defenders chasing you as soon as the ball hits you in the hands on the shotgun snap. So to fix this, they rolled him out which takes away half the field. Taysom isn't perfect and I agree that he needs to improve on the 3 points above but I also think that it won't be possible for him to improve much on those points unless the offensive line improves a TON.
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Gunk
I don't like GFGH. There are no benefits to it. Defenses just sub more. Meanwhile we'rd rushing for rushing's sake.



I say mix it up.



GFGH some downs, slow it down others. Maintainging a constant speed doesn't keep a defense off balance. Throttling the speed of the game does.



Hill needs to work on throwing the ball where the receiver will be. He also needs to defer to his RBs more.



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mizzoucoug
Gunk wrote:
I don't like GFGH. There are no benefits to it. Defenses just sub more. Meanwhile we'rd rushing for rushing's sake.



I say mix it up.



GFGH some downs, slow it down others. Maintainging a constant speed doesn't keep a defense off balance. Throttling the speed of the game does.



Hill needs to work on throwing the ball where the receiver will be. He also needs to defer to his RBs more.



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Yep. We don't have the speed to make this dangerous. Vs Washington our best play was quick slants with perfect throws because everything was being jumped. No speed = no respect.



Overall, the O doesn't work and it kills our D. Sure we get more possessions, but holy crap those 30 second 3 and outs are very deflating, especially after big turnovers. *shudder*
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Brayden Green
hawkwing wrote:
mtnradio makes an interesting point about the GFGH consequences of reading the defense.



I remember how much we would all complain about how long Beck and Hall would wait before snapping the ball. You would often times see the defense in disarray and Beck and Hall would patiently wait until they were set to snap the ball. Cougar fans of course wanted BYU to snap the ball early and catch the defense by surprise, but it's hard to argue with the results of the QB knowing what defense the opposing team was running and where to attack it.


This also makes the defense less aggressive, and less likely to time the snap.



If you snap it as soon as the quarterback goes under center, the defense has a supreme advantage because they can react a split second before the ball goes in motion. Some of the bull rushes that Taysom was running for his life in were due to the fact that they jumped forward before our lineman had essentially moved and just plowed through.



Also, the more time you take the more they will show what blitzes are coming with a hard count. They'll run in, and now all you have to do is audible to counter that.



Watch Peyton, Brady, Montana, Brees, Max Hall at the college level, they were always sniffing out blitzes.
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HoosierCougar
Taysom and others have talked about the importance of the offseason to work on timing and trust with the receivers. I agree. Max Hall was so comfortable with Collie and Pitta because of the time they spend on routes outside of structured practice.



So with Mitch Matthews (and presumably Apo) rehabbing, and T_Hill getting married, how much time do we realistically think they will have to spend getting the timing/trust thing down?
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Cougs_Rule
HoosierCougar wrote:
Taysom and others have talked about the importance of the offseason to work on timing and trust with the receivers. I agree. Max Hall was so comfortable with Collie and Pitta because of the time they spend on routes outside of structured practice.



So with Mitch Matthews (and presumably Apo) rehabbing, and T_Hill getting married, how much time do we realistically think they will have to spend getting the timing/trust thing down?


Doesn't matter. Because Anaes offense just works. Just ask him.....er......trust him. See how good it worked for Arizona this year, in its second year?
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Cougs_Rule
BlueIsBetter wrote:
mtnradio makes an interesting point about the GFGH consequences of reading the defense.



I remember how much we would all complain about how long Beck and Hall would wait before snapping the ball. You would often times see the defense in disarray and Beck and Hall would patiently wait until they were set to snap the ball. Cougar fans of course wanted BYU to snap the ball early and catch the defense by surprise, but it's hard to argue with the results of the QB knowing what defense the opposing team was running and where to attack it.


This also makes the defense less aggressive, and less likely to time the snap.



If you snap it as soon as the quarterback goes under center, the defense has a supreme advantage because they can react a split second before the ball goes in motion. Some of the bull rushes that Taysom was running for his life in were due to the fact that they jumped forward before our lineman had essentially moved and just plowed through.



Also, the more time you take the more they will show what blitzes are coming with a hard count. They'll run in, and now all you have to do is audible to counter that.



Watch Peyton, Brady, Montana, Brees, Max Hall at the college level, they were always sniffing out blitzes.


You guys really are onto something. Watching P. Manning is ALOT like watching MJ. They were mentally superior and knew how to take their team to the promised land. Andhow does Peyton make his living? #1--analyzing and exploiting the defense. Last Sunday when he had broken, yet again, one more record in one of his most remarkable seasons of his career; when the game was well in hand, he was over analyzing pictures from the previous series. What does he live off of before each play, reading the D, baiting the D to show their formation/play, and then delivering the football. Now, granted he's maybe one of the best ever QBs, who has amazing physical gifts, HoF dad, etc, etc, but his pre-snap read and assessment is critical. TH is expected to just snap the ball and run the play and sort of read the rush and adjust on the run plays. And Anae? He just thinks, like Bronco, that we ought to just do what we do and "execute" and not worry about the D. Arrogance? Hubris? Obliviousness? You tell me. "Shucks, it worked vs Texas, let's just keep down that same thinger."

So, good luck Taysom, you are practically in a no win situation. No wonder you just want to run it. Crap for an Oline (did you hear the game announcers keep hammering Yeck?) and a scheme that is S.A.M-- smoke and mirrors without the speed and depth to support the flimsiness of the scheme. And OC Hammer is just going to pound faster and harder next year delivering yet on other "trust me" speech while demoralizing an O that knows it ain't workin and a D who gets to clean up the slop.

THill must improve far more than is possible to make this stupid Offense work. He needs his pre-injury speed, which thanks to Doman ain't comin back, and he needs a fricken Oline who can hold a block long enough to let the WRs who can't create separation nor catch the ball with regularity, nor create a deep threat, nor recruit or create a TE scheme worth snot.

My expectations are down for next year. Spring scrimmage will fool the foolish into believing that GFGH will work, bc our D will be reloading, resting, and regrouping from an average year and get torched by the O. I won't be buying till game 4 next fall.

Sorry to be a downer, but BYU will once again waste another QB, two in fact, by wasting THills time and Olsen as a backup. beck doesn't have what it takes, bc he has had plenty of time with special talent and is squandering an opportunity bc he just isn't that good. Same with the WR coach. Gotta do more than just yell--that clearly didnt work. Maybe BYU should say sorry and bring back the "best qb coach in the country." :roll:

Good luck Taysom. You are right to prioritize the happiest day of your life two days after a crap performance. I'm sure you are going to take your Stanford smarts and apply them to business or making money, bc BYU won't be productively developing you into an NFL caliber QB. Go check out Riley's job opportunities. :roll:

I mean who'd a thought that the Inferior talent and coaching of 2012, notwithstanding the tougher schedule, would have a much better offensive year than 2013?--well besides The Gloomster.

Cougar fans, Dont count your 2014 offensive chickens before they hatch. We saw this year that not even a superman can fix this GFGH-suck wad scheme. And THill ain't going to save GFGH next year either. Its fundamentally and conceptually flawed as a few guys have pointed out.
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