by craigoscarson · 11/20/2013
Schmoe wrote:
Last I saw, we were one-point dogs, but either way it shows that people see this as a toss-up.
craigoscarson wrote:Last I saw, we were one-point dogs, but either way it shows that people see this as a toss-up.
If that spread has shifted from -1 to +1 I wonder what is happening at Notre Dame (injury? ).
Other explanation is that all the action had been on BYU and the line simply shifted towards Notre Dame, but this is not a game I would ever consider putting money on for BYU to win. Right now if BYU is favored by 1, good money is on ND (from a purely evil vegas view)
Wolfman wrote:
This will be a repeat of the Wisconsin game... 27-17 Irish. They'll just emulate what Wisconsin did on D and they have the same speed and athleticism to match what the Badgers were able to do. I think the Irish defense will get a pick 6 in this one and their offense manages a quiet 20. The main reason I am picking ND in this one... they are 4-1 vs. top 30 teams... BYU is 1-3 AND the Cougar D is not as good as last year's... not even close. I get that the Irish are not as good overall as last year, but in South Bend... in November... and the D with Hadley out... not a good combo. Plus, the Irish can throw the ball which plays right into BYU's weakness on D. I'm not completely ruling out a BYU win because I think there's about a 30-40% chance they can pull it off, but I certainly would not bet that way.
NDCougar wrote:This will be a repeat of the Wisconsin game... 27-17 Irish. They'll just emulate what Wisconsin did on D and they have the same speed and athleticism to match what the Badgers were able to do. I think the Irish defense will get a pick 6 in this one and their offense manages a quiet 20. The main reason I am picking ND in this one... they are 4-1 vs. top 30 teams... BYU is 1-3 AND the Cougar D is not as good as last year's... not even close. I get that the Irish are not as good overall as last year, but in South Bend... in November... and the D with Hadley out... not a good combo. Plus, the Irish can throw the ball which plays right into BYU's weakness on D. I'm not completely ruling out a BYU win because I think there's about a 30-40% chance they can pull it off, but I certainly would not bet that way.
Maybe but don't see it. ND does not run the ball like WI, Kelly does not like to be a run first team. Look for ND to air it out more than WI, whether it makes sense or not.
Exactly, which is why I think BYU loses. The Irish also have a top 30 pass defense and will be big and quick enough up front to contain BYU's run game. They'll just put a spy on Hill and it will be the Wisconsin game all over again.
Wolfman wrote:Wolfman wrote:
This will be a repeat of the Wisconsin game... 27-17 Irish. They'll just emulate what Wisconsin did on D and they have the same speed and athleticism to match what the Badgers were able to do. I think the Irish defense will get a pick 6 in this one and their offense manages a quiet 20. The main reason I am picking ND in this one... they are 4-1 vs. top 30 teams... BYU is 1-3 AND the Cougar D is not as good as last year's... not even close. I get that the Irish are not as good overall as last year, but in South Bend... in November... and the D with Hadley out... not a good combo. Plus, the Irish can throw the ball which plays right into BYU's weakness on D. I'm not completely ruling out a BYU win because I think there's about a 30-40% chance they can pull it off, but I certainly would not bet that way.
Maybe but don't see it. ND does not run the ball like WI, Kelly does not like to be a run first team. Look for ND to air it out more than WI, whether it makes sense or not.
Exactly, which is why I think BYU loses. The Irish also have a top 30 pass defense and will be big and quick enough up front to contain BYU's run game. They'll just put a spy on Hill and it will be the Wisconsin game all over again.
NDCougar wrote:NDCougar wrote:This will be a repeat of the Wisconsin game... 27-17 Irish. They'll just emulate what Wisconsin did on D and they have the same speed and athleticism to match what the Badgers were able to do. I think the Irish defense will get a pick 6 in this one and their offense manages a quiet 20. The main reason I am picking ND in this one... they are 4-1 vs. top 30 teams... BYU is 1-3 AND the Cougar D is not as good as last year's... not even close. I get that the Irish are not as good overall as last year, but in South Bend... in November... and the D with Hadley out... not a good combo. Plus, the Irish can throw the ball which plays right into BYU's weakness on D. I'm not completely ruling out a BYU win because I think there's about a 30-40% chance they can pull it off, but I certainly would not bet that way.
Maybe but don't see it. ND does not run the ball like WI, Kelly does not like to be a run first team. Look for ND to air it out more than WI, whether it makes sense or not.
Exactly, which is why I think BYU loses. The Irish also have a top 30 pass defense and will be big and quick enough up front to contain BYU's run game. They'll just put a spy on Hill and it will be the Wisconsin game all over again.
Not sure I agree here. Anyone who has watched ND games knows we struggle vs the pass, if an average fan can see this and BYU's defensive staff can see this. We are 25th in pass yards (right in front of NC State and Navy, if that gives insight into how little this means), these stats are padded again run first teams (Navy, AFA, Mighigan State).
Size is NOT an issue, see below. Ability to contain TH is, DL starters have health issues and QBs have had success keeping plays alive and scrambling (NT- has missed several games with knee issues, 2 others have bum ankles, Tuitt is recovering from back surgery).https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0KsDTvpzyV8d7Tsj4CSQGzgHmTH9eRmE0xZ7hc4i_mxLrJMc6 " alt="" loading="lazy" style="max-width:100%">https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQFeOhj7Dxa-NXANrKjR9qxlHnS0_idiqU7z5lqxZVS1z0WDInD " alt="" loading="lazy" style="max-width:100%">http://irishturningpoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Sheldon-Day.png " alt="" loading="lazy" style="max-width:100%">http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/002/728/328/hi-res-6210274_display_image.jpg?1352075368 " alt="" loading="lazy" style="max-width:100%">
frdbtr wrote:
Wolfman is a troll, arguing with him will never work, you are wasting your time. He has gone by many alias' over the years but the song is always the same, he has been airwolf84 on other boards until he gets banned, on this board, he has been wolfie, airwolf84 wolfman and a few other alias' with the word wolf in it. He has claimed to be an "objective" BYU fan since the crowton days. His negativity was mostly correct during the crowton time but has been mostly wrong under Bronco since Bronco is a good coach. He will predict losses to pretty much any team short of Idaho state and the dregs of the wac and mwc. Earlier this year, he predicted BYU to win 3 games at best.
Wolfman wrote:Wolfman is a troll, arguing with him will never work, you are wasting your time. He has gone by many alias' over the years but the song is always the same, he has been airwolf84 on other boards until he gets banned, on this board, he has been wolfie, airwolf84 wolfman and a few other alias' with the word wolf in it. He has claimed to be an "objective" BYU fan since the crowton days. His negativity was mostly correct during the crowton time but has been mostly wrong under Bronco since Bronco is a good coach. He will predict losses to pretty much any team short of Idaho state and the dregs of the wac and mwc. Earlier this year, he predicted BYU to win 3 games at best.
Ah, fried butter... how are you? I disagree... Bronco is a very average head coach with limited X's and O's strategies... his record is well under .500 against quality opponents since 2005 as well. Also, you are incorrect about my prediction for this season... go back and find the thread where we made our predictions for 2013... you'll see that I forecast a 7-5 campaign actually.
craigoscarson wrote:Last I saw, we were one-point dogs, but either way it shows that people see this as a toss-up.
If that spread has shifted from -1 to +1 I wonder what is happening at Notre Dame (injury? ).
Other explanation is that all the action had been on BYU and the line simply shifted towards Notre Dame, but this is not a game I would ever consider putting money on for BYU to win. Right now if BYU is favored by 1, good money is on ND (from a purely evil vegas view)
cougarnerd wrote:Schmoe wrote:
Last I saw, we were one-point dogs, but either way it shows that people see this as a toss-up.
If that spread has shifted from -1 to +1 I wonder what is happening at Notre Dame (injury? ).
Other explanation is that all the action had been on BYU and the line simply shifted towards Notre Dame, but this is not a game I would ever consider putting money on for BYU to win. Right now if BYU is favored by 1, good money is on ND (from a purely evil vegas view)
I heard their star tackle is hurt as of Thursday afternoon.
We almost beat them last year with a bad offense, I think we beat them by two touchdowns this Saturday.
