Poll - Who Out Coached Whom?

Sorry - felt the need to check the pulse of the silent majority.



Who outcoached their opponent Saturday?



Be sure to explain why.



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We put up 47 points and our QB accounted for over 500 yards himself. To suggest Anae got outcoached is idiotic.



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Mental errors, pick six, Secondary, and special teams (KO return) were more costly.

The reason this game was so close had nothing to do with Anae's playcalling, and the final TD drive was a thing of beauty. Anae wins!



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It's an easy question to answer. Anae's offense scored 47 points. Am I missing something?

talent level and experience are a factor here.... I don't think Houston is as talented as people think. Thus, the Houston DC leveled the playing field by outcoaching Anae. Anae had the benefit of more talent. 6'6" receivers on 5'10" dbs, etc etc. The numbers don't tell the entire story. Gibbs figured out our Oline and in spite of injured linebackers and a small dline sacked the heck out of us and caused multiple turnovers. But at the end of the day our talent was too much for lowly Houston and their smoke and mirrors 5-0 record.



Remember the betting line was double digits in our favor, the final result wasn't.



But if numbers are the factor in peoples decisions... I suppose then you would have to argue that Bronco got outcoached by Houstons OC?

craigoscarson wrote:
talent level and experience are a factor here.... I don't think Houston is as talented as people think. Thus, the Houston DC leveled the playing field by outcoaching Anae. Anae had the benefit of more talent. 6'6" receivers on 5'10" dbs, etc etc. The numbers don't tell the entire story. Gibbs figured out our Oline and in spite of injured linebackers and a small dline sacked the heck out of us and caused multiple turnovers. But at the end of the day our talent was too much for lowly Houston and their smoke and mirrors 5-0 record.



Remember the betting line was double digits in our favor, the final result wasn't.



But if numbers are the factor in peoples decisions... I suppose then you would have to argue that Bronco got outcoached by Houstons OC?

Craig



The talent thing cuts both ways. Our OL sucks. Like almost everyone else, Houston exploited it. Not coaching genius. I would go the other way. Why did it take the idiot so long to figure out what the world knows. BYU OL cannot handle pressure and Taters still makes mistakes when pressured. The world knows BYU Ol and TE are poor. They know we do not have a great FB. And how much of their tightening up the D in the 2nd half was coaching genius and adjustment and how much was JW sitting on the sidelines and playing a couple of series before that trying to play through the hip pointer until the pain got so bad he could not go.



And yes the line was -10 to -12. I do not think the experts expected BYU to score 47 points - let alone more. Check the over and under. It was the kick-off, punt, and run defense that fell short of everyones expectations. If you have any doubt of that, see how many people in the CC Prediction Poll get any points at all for Houston Points scored. Even subtract out 7 points for the pick 6 and safety if you think experts thought the #1 turnover team in the country would suddenly get zero turnovers from BYU who has been in turnover deficit. It becomes clear which team unit nearly blew this game.



Back to talent. Our defense is way more talented than the Houston offense. Way more. Had a let down. When you saw KVN missing tackles and many others missing tackles and a receiver shredding the entire D by taking a short throw to the house, and KO Returner doing the same thing for 95 yards, and the huge punt return, and DBs getting beat deep - that was not Robert Anae getting outcoached. That was Houston Offense and Special teams taking a talented and experienced defense to the woodshed - ditto special teams.



For once, the offense carried the team. Well twice. Texas. Maybe it is the water gone bad in the Lone Star State.



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craigoscarson wrote:
talent level and experience are a factor here.... I don't think Houston is as talented as people think. Thus, the Houston DC leveled the playing field by outcoaching Anae. Anae had the benefit of more talent. 6'6" receivers on 5'10" dbs, etc etc. The numbers don't tell the entire story. Gibbs figured out our Oline and in spite of injured linebackers and a small dline sacked the heck out of us and caused multiple turnovers. But at the end of the day our talent was too much for lowly Houston and their smoke and mirrors 5-0 record.



Remember the betting line was double digits in our favor, the final result wasn't.



But if numbers are the factor in peoples decisions... I suppose then you would have to argue that Bronco got outcoached by Houstons OC?

Exactly. Slow rollouts and deep passes against an all out blitz almost lost us the game. You can tell me "700 yards of offense" all you want, it doesn't mean that he wasn't out coached. The two aren't incongruous. He didn't take what the defense gave him, and he didn't make the defense play off balanced. He just threw down field because we had superior receivers that were better and taller. All you stat geeks that throw numbers out like candy? Here is some: 8 sacks, 3rd down efficiency 7 for 21. 3 turnovers, a pick 6, most of that due to bad playcalling (like running a sweep with Lasike for the 2 pt conversion for just one example).



And craig is right, you would need to say that Bronco was out coached by the Houston OC to state that Anae wasn't out coached by the DC.

Not exactly. Pick 6 was not due to coaching. It was due to poor execution by inexperienced players. It has taken creative coaching to get this kind of production out of a beat up OL lacking experience without a good tight end, Williams injured, and suddenly depending on very inexperienced running backs.



I am not arguing that Houston is great. I am arguing that their DC was taken to the woodshed for 20 minutes before he figured out the obvious and could even slow Anae down. The Int in the endzone was not poor coaching by Anae or great coaching by Houston. It was poor execution or BYU would have laid another 7 on that DC before he knew what hit him. Anae obviously hit him with something neither he nor any of you expected for 20 minutes.



All of the OL penalties. Inexperience. Unsportsmanlike penalty on the sideline. Killer.



And have you thought how absolutely disrespectful it is to JW to say that him playing through pain late in the half until he went out for the 2nd half was of little impact? The loss of JW slowed BYU down far more than DC adjustments did. 47 points. 54 if Hill threw to the right guy or threw it away the endzone. Sorry. JW would have been good for a TD or 2. 61. 68. Get real.



You would have a much easier time defending a claim that Bronco was out coached. He was.



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The thing that almost cost us the game was not coaching, it was two interceptions, each of which were QB mistakes, not poor play calls. Also, the special teams giving up a TD, again, not Anae's coaching.

I am not a fan of Anae, but this question is hard for me to answer. This was probably Anae's best called game, although his stubbornness to stick to a game plan and inability to adjust or be creative was highly evident.



I would have to rewatch to really vote accurately on this one.



But one thing we need to remember is that we had 115 offensive plays. So claiming 47 points is slightly misleading. Two hurry-up offenses are going to score more as the defenses get tired and confused and lose focus.



Anae did call more pass plays on first down, but failed to call any screens during the crazy onslaught of blitzes. The TE position still seems non-existant. But overall, it was a huge improvement in play calling but could have been so much better if he made adjustments such as screens, quick slants and TE seam routes during periods of heavy blitzing.



Grade - C.

jacksonman wrote:
I am not a fan of Anae, but this question is hard for me to answer. This was probably Anae's best called game, although his stubbornness to stick to a game plan and inability to adjust or be creative was highly evident.



I would have to rewatch to really vote accurately on this one.



But one thing we need to remember is that we had 115 offensive plays. So claiming 47 points is slightly misleading. Two hurry-up offenses are going to score more as the defenses get tired and confused and lose focus.



Anae did call more pass plays on first down, but failed to call any screens during the crazy onslaught of blitzes. The TE position still seems non-existant. But overall, it was a huge improvement in play calling but could have been so much better if he made adjustments such as screens, quick slants and TE seam routes during periods of heavy blitzing.



Grade - C.

WOW! That was a "C" Game? IS an "A" even possible? The mere fact that no one has ever run more plays than us shows that our plays were working. If we had a bunch of three and outs and they scored 30= points as they did, we'd have nowhere near the number of plays run. Again, the 7 points in the end zone was not coaching, nor was the interception returned for a touchdown. I'm not sure that this is an "A" (although it very well could be) but calling this a "C" means that an "A" can never never never ever be achieved...

An offensive coordinator who doesn't call screen passes to RBs who can't catch the ball? Inconceivable!

I already stated my more logical thoughts on another thread, but I can't believe all the hating on Anae after this game.



I bet you that our offense exceeded almost everyones expectations that they entered in the cougar corner prediction game prior to this game.



For some reason, the fact that Houston scored more than we thought they should is resulting in Anae hate. That is what is incongruous.



I do agree that the 2 pt conversion play was completely bone headed, but overall I think Anae did well.

According to Ogletree, TH was 6/14 with a 6-man protection scheme and 23/30 otherwise. As said by others he didn't adjust to the blitz.



Also, that stretch option with Lasike was just as pathetic against GT and will be just as pathetic against anyone else (except maybe ISU and the scout team) and might be enough for an F all on its own.



Oh, and the clock management was inconceivably stupid at the end of the game. And probably D- level at the half.



So did Anae beat Jamie Bryant? Maybe. But he definitely lost to whatever voices he hears in his head telling him to let the slowest guy on the team run an option play or have TH take a knee at the end of the game.

jvquarterback wrote:
According to Ogletree, TH was 6/14 with a 6-man protection scheme and 23/30 otherwise. As said by others he didn't adjust to the blitz.



Also, that stretch option with Lasike was just as pathetic against GT and will be just as pathetic against anyone else (except maybe ISU and the scout team) and might be enough for an F all on its own.



Oh, and the clock management was inconceivably stupid at the end of the game. And probably D- level at the half.



So did Anae beat Jamie Bryant? Maybe. But he definitely lost to whatever voices he hears in his head telling him to let the slowest guy on the team run an option play or have TH take a knee at the end of the game.

Ogletree also happened to mention: "It’s nice to see a resurgence of the type of offensive firepower under Robert Anae that will allow BYU to compete with the top teams in the country."

Jacksonman. He popped about 24 on them in the 1st qtr when everyone was fresh. Would have had 31 if Hill threw to the right guy. Is it a bad call if a guy is wide open and the QB throws elsewhere - forces it on about 2nd and goal - and gets picked.



But in the 4th qtr when the bitter and dour fans had probably assumed BYU could not keep up with Houston, but were somehow happy to give our D and ST a pass, and BYU needed a score, and ST had let yet another punt roll to about the 3, who out coached whom on that 97 yard drive.



And on those 2 late passes away from the obvious target to the little guy - Ridley - who out coached whom. Just curious.



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Yes, BYU had six three-and-outs. But they also had six drives the shortest of which 68 yards and of those the fewest plays in any of those six was 7 plays.



BYU set a school record with 41 first downs. They ran 115 plays. That means more than 1/3 of their plays went for 1st downs.



BYU's offense was SENSATIONAL. Anyone who thinks otherwise is obtuse and ignoring that which doesn't fit their opinion that it was awful.

jacksonman wrote:
But one thing we need to remember is that we had 115 offensive plays.

That's right! I'll be damned if Anae is going to leave Houston taking credit for both the score and the number plays run by the offense. Greedy little jack-wagon, that guy.

snoscythe wrote:

But one thing we need to remember is that we had 115 offensive plays.

That's right! I'll be damned if Anae is going to leave Houston taking credit for both the score and the number plays run by the offense. Greedy little jack-wagon, that guy.

And maybe if Houston had played some better defense, BYU wouldn't have been able to run that many plays.