The Real Issues - Hadley

I typed this in a reply, but a server or network time-out lost it. It needs its own thread anyway.



The wrong people are getting the attention and blame from too many people.



The Ute fan that sent the video was certainly an opportunist and one with an agenda. Who gave him that opportunity? Spencer Hadley. Even if a Ute fan had duped Hadly into going to enable himself to get a picture and hurt BYU and The LDS Church, you would have to give the Utes the victory. Who could have prevented it? Spencer Hadly. Write SUCKER in big letters on his forehead.



The Ute Compliance Officer who immediately sent it to BYU probably did BYU a favor by giving them a chance to self-report any NCAA violatuon, if any occurred and to do damage control, before the Ute Fan sent it to The Trib or The NCAA. Just doin her job and providing a professional courtesy. And when U was hit by a freedom of information request by the local paper - required by law to comply. And thus we see the email address of the Ute Fan and the name of the supposed booster. And who could have prevented all of this? Spencer Hadley.



And for the supposed booster and allegations about player benefits - well.



Whether he is a booster or not, it is important for BYU fans to find out whether this person in fact encouraged, aided, or abetted Hadley's bad behavior. If he is a booster and benefits were received, this will not be a secret for long. NCAA and internal BYU investigators will be all over the booster benefits part. And BYU will rightfully cut off and distance themselves from him. But booster or not, benefits or not, someone researched and reported that the person with that name operates a local home security company. If he was sitting with Hadley in a strip club - and I am not saying he was - but fans need to know if he was - BYU fans need to dump any services provided by his company. Accountability. Of course Ute fans will be signing up - so perhaps he survives this.



Who could have prevented all of this? Hadley and his buddy.



My dad once advised me - seriously - never fool around unless you are at least 2 tankfulls of gas away from home - or you will get caught. That was before flying became common and phones became cameras. Updated advice for Spencer Hadley - never fool around - especially when famous - unless you are at least two galaxies away from home - or you will get caught - further hurting yourself, teammates, family, friends, University, and Church.



Forget the Ute Fan. Forget the U Compliance Official. Forget The Trib.



Remember Hadley and his friend. That is where the problem lies.



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Agreed. However, Utah passed on a bunch of dubious information. Information that isn't even verified yet. The Trib hasn't been able to contact this informant. The only reason we "know" it was in Vegas is because the email said so. The only reason we "know" a booster is involved is because the email said so. There is also some doubt to the authenticity of the photo - which is why it hasn't been run yet.



Yes, the person solely responsible for this is Hadley. He's an RM. He should know better than to be drinking. He's a senior. So he should know Bronco doesn't tolerate HC violations. He's a team captain. So he should know the team is both counting on him and looking to him as an example.



My ONLY and SINGULAR issue with this is the timing of the Ute fan. This only came to light to get a player in trouble and hopefully suspended.



The blame for the situation lies only with Hadley.

FWIW I have a big time problem with any blame whatsoever being given to the Ute compliance officer. She received an unsolicited email alleging a problem at a neighboring university, within 12 minutes of receipt she forwarded it to her counterpart at that university. I do not see how she could have acted any better. She is the one person in this whole scenario who should be thanked for doing her job diligently and well.





Hadley made a stupid mistake, and I'm fine with him being punished and having a chance to move on. It is full of irony however, that the so-called "Avid Ute fan" has gone silent. He's probably stupid enough not to have thought about how he can explain to his wife that HE was in the strip club, and now HE's got some damage control of his own to work through....

Cougarbib wrote:
I typed this in a reply, but a server or network time-out lost it. It needs its own thread anyway.



The wrong people are getting the attention and blame from too many people.



The Ute fan that sent the video was certainly an opportunist and one with an agenda. Who gave him that opportunity? Spencer Hadley. Even if a Ute fan had duped Hadly into going to enable himself to get a picture and hurt BYU and The LDS Church, you would have to give the Utes the victory. Who could have prevented it? Spencer Hadly. Write SUCKER in big letters on his forehead.



The Ute Compliance Officer who immediately sent it to BYU probably did BYU a favor by giving them a chance to self-report any NCAA violatuon, if any occurred and to do damage control, before the Ute Fan sent it to The Trib or The NCAA. Just doin her job and providing a professional courtesy. And when U was hit by a freedom of information request by the local paper - required by law to comply. And thus we see the email address of the Ute Fan and the name of the supposed booster. And who could have prevented all of this? Spencer Hadley.



And for the supposed booster and allegations about player benefits - well.



Whether he is a booster or not, it is important for BYU fans to find out whether this person in fact encouraged, aided, or abetted Hadley's bad behavior. If he is a booster and benefits were received, this will not be a secret for long. NCAA and internal BYU investigators will be all over the booster benefits part. And BYU will rightfully cut off and distance themselves from him. But booster or not, benefits or not, someone researched and reported that the person with that name operates a local home security company. If he was sitting with Hadley in a strip club - and I am not saying he was - but fans need to know if he was - BYU fans need to dump any services provided by his company. Accountability. Of course Ute fans will be signing up - so perhaps he survives this.



Who could have prevented all of this? Hadley and his buddy.



My dad once advised me - seriously - never fool around unless you are at least 2 tankfulls of gas away from home - or you will get caught. That was before flying became common and phones became cameras. Updated advice for Spencer Hadley - never fool around - especially when famous - unless you are at least two galaxies away from home - or you will get caught - further hurting yourself, teammates, family, friends, University, and Church.



Forget the Ute Fan. Forget the U Compliance Official. Forget The Trib.



Remember Hadley and his friend. That is where the problem lies.



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A) This could have been put in the thread already existing for Hadley.



B) Everyone knows this. The blame first goes on Hadley himself. That doesn't mean there isn't blame to go on the Yewt fan who took the picture (and held onto it until the rivalry game) or the Yewt Compliance Officer who was only too happy to send it along.

ABYUFAN wrote:
FWIW I have a big time problem wit any blame whatsoever being given tot he Ute Compliance officer. She received an unsolicited email alleging a problem at a neighboring university, within 12 minutes of receipt she forwarded it to her counterpart at that university. I do not see how she could have acted any better. She is the one person in this whole scenario who should be thanked for doing her job diligently and well.





Hadley made a stupid mistake, and I'm fine with him being punished and having a chance to move on. It is full of irony however, that the so-called "Avid Ute fan" has gone silent. He's probably stupid enough not to have thought about how he can explain to his wife that HE was in the strip club, and now HE's got some damage control of his own to work through....

Spot on.

KingCoug wrote:
or the Yewt Compliance Officer who was only too happy to send it along.

What should she have done? Delete the email? Nothing? She can't do "nothing" The entire Joe Paterno situation showed the world that doing nothing is no longer acceptable (if it ever was)



She didn't ask for the initial contact, nor did she forward it to the paper. She sent it to a school that she knew would handle it privately. I cannot see what she could have done better.

The Ute women's swim team should be the only people upset about how this came about.



Where was the concern in the compliance office when they were getting reports about that program?

She also knew that if an NCAA violation occurred, there is no way to keep it private and that BYU would benefit from the opportunity to self report.



U also indicated that they would want BYU to do the same for them.



Many have missed key points due to the U being involved and being distracted by the tattletale or the compliance officer issues.



Evwn our beloved Hawkwing misses the point by being so quick to point out that U has no honor code, relatively speaking. They do not.



But they are subject to Booster activity rules and agent rules and



BAM



The U just invited any of you to gather up your evidence of U players receiving booster benefits like the ones alleged here and send them to BYU so BYU xan forward them to the U minutes later.



Just Do It.



Unless you find that doing so leaves you a little too much splainin to do about how you happened to be in that strip club getting photos of a Ute Booster buying drinks for a player.



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ABYUFAN wrote:

or the Yewt Compliance Officer who was only too happy to send it along.

What should she have done? Delete the email? Nothing? She can't do "nothing" The entire Joe Paterno situation showed the world that doing nothing is no longer acceptable (if it ever was)



She didn't ask for the initial contact, nor did she forward it to the paper. She sent it to a school that she knew would handle it privately. I cannot see what she could have done better.

Well, comparing paterno to drinking a beer is ridiculous and it was not even her university. hadley was not molesting boys, he was looking at boobs apparently while enjoying an odouls (all speculation by the way) and she asked him for evidence of violations of a player that doesn't even go to her school. my response would be, hey, wrong university. why is she asking him for additional evidence in the first place? its ridiculous if you ask me. is it her fault, not, its hadley's but still it is ridiculous. like sno said, too bad they didn't investigate their own problems with similar vigor.



not to mention the grama request shot out like 8 times faster than the trib has ever received one. i think the utes are ridiculous and insecure.



they could have handled it worse though. they could have handed it over to the press before byu.

jonnylingo wrote:

KingCoug wrote:
or the Yewt Compliance Officer who was only too happy to send it along.

What should she have done? Delete the email? Nothing? She can't do "nothing" The entire Joe Paterno situation showed the world that doing nothing is no longer acceptable (if it ever was)



She didn't ask for the initial contact, nor did she forward it to the paper. She sent it to a school that she knew would handle it privately. I cannot see what she could have done better.

Well, comparing paterno to drinking a beer is ridiculous and it was not even her university. hadley was not molesting boys, he was looking at boobs apparently while enjoying an odouls (all speculation by the way) and she asked him for evidence of violations of a player that doesn't even go to her school. my response would be, hey, wrong university. why is she asking him for additional evidence in the first place? its ridiculous if you ask me. is it her fault, not, its hadley's but still it is ridiculous. like sno said, too bad they didn't investigate their own problems with similar vigor.



not to mention the grama request shot out like 8 times faster than the trib has ever received one. i think the utes are ridiculous and insecure.



they could have handled it worse though. they could have handed it over to the press before byu.

I didn't mean to compare the two activities, I merely was pointing out that government employees can never do nothing. never. With that in mind, what should she have done in this situation?



Yes they goofed on the swimming team accusations, and perhaps her quick response was because of the black eye that the university got from that scandal. But we can't say they blew it on the swimming scandal and then get mad at them for not blowing it here.

The Ute compliance officer did the right thing. Assume she got an email with a photo of a Cal student potentially accepting a bribe from a booster. She would have and rightfully so forwarded it onto Cal. It's called being professional and covering your...buttocks.



Suppose she did nothing. After a bit of investigative journalism by the trib it would have come out that Utah got the photo & did nothing. NCAA would be all over Utah too. She's looking out for her employer, which is the same thing the Ute compliance office did when covering up the swim team scandals.



She's neither hero or villian.



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snoscythe wrote:
The Ute women's swim team should be the only people upset about how this came about.



Where was the concern in the compliance office when they were getting reports about that program?

No kidding. Why does the term "turn a blind eye" come to mind when talking about the Yewts policing Yewts. Duplicitous double standards? Ohhh yeah ......

I don't have a problem with Puktah forwarding the info to BYU. That should be appreciated. I did wonder about this comment from Jay Drew's article in the SLTrib:



"The e-mail string shows that U.’s compliance office replied to the fan by writing, 'The NCAA can only investigate with evidence. If you have pictures, that would be helpful.' The fan replied that he would "supply more pictures soon.' "



It would seem to me that she should have referred him at that point to send the material to BYU. I don't know they whole context of the email, so I don't know that she didn't.



I remain pleased though that BYU/Bronco once again demonstrated that they are not hypocrites and deal straight up issues. That proof does say a lot.

Cougarbib wrote:
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And for the supposed booster and allegations about player benefits - well.



Whether he is a booster or not, it is important for BYU fans to find out whether this person in fact encouraged, aided, or abetted Hadley's bad behavior. If he is a booster and benefits were received, this will not be a secret for long. NCAA and internal BYU investigators will be all over the booster benefits part. And BYU will rightfully cut off and distance themselves from him. But booster or not, benefits or not, someone researched and reported that the person with that name operates a local home security company. If he was sitting with Hadley in a strip club - and I am not saying he was - but fans need to know if he was - BYU fans need to dump any services provided by his company. Accountability. Of course Ute fans will be signing up - so perhaps he survives this.



Who could have prevented all of this? Hadley and his buddy.



My dad once advised me - seriously - never fool around unless you are at least 2 tankfulls of gas away from home - or you will get caught. That was before flying became common and phones became cameras. Updated advice for Spencer Hadley - never fool around - especially when famous - unless you are at least two galaxies away from home - or you will get caught - further hurting yourself, teammates, family, friends, University, and Church.



Forget the Ute Fan. Forget the U Compliance Official. Forget The Trib.



Remember Hadley and his friend. That is where the problem lies.



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I just posted about this in the other thread but I think it's a "potentially" a huge part of this.



An alarm company guy. I've heard that selling alarms over the summer is a popular job among players. Maybe that's how this guy comes into the picture. I'd like to rid Byu of that type or work all together. Get rich quick is their motto and by ripping people off too. Make a ton of fast cash and head to vegas to blow it!! Ugh I hate those alarm reps :sick:

I'm sure BYU is doing its due diligence looking into the so called booster. On top of the NCAA violations that "could" be involved, I'm curious as to what kind of boosters byu has.



FWIW, going to a strip club doesn't mean you have to drink. I've been a DD enough to know that. Maybe spencer was the DD for the so called booster ;)

jonnylingo wrote:

KingCoug wrote:
or the Yewt Compliance Officer who was only too happy to send it along.

What should she have done? Delete the email? Nothing? She can't do "nothing" The entire Joe Paterno situation showed the world that doing nothing is no longer acceptable (if it ever was)



She didn't ask for the initial contact, nor did she forward it to the paper. She sent it to a school that she knew would handle it privately. I cannot see what she could have done better.

Well, comparing paterno to drinking a beer is ridiculous and it was not even her university. hadley was not molesting boys, he was looking at boobs apparently while enjoying an odouls (all speculation by the way) and she asked him for evidence of violations of a player that doesn't even go to her school. my response would be, hey, wrong university. why is she asking him for additional evidence in the first place? its ridiculous if you ask me. is it her fault, not, its hadley's but still it is ridiculous. like sno said, too bad they didn't investigate their own problems with similar vigor.



not to mention the grama request shot out like 8 times faster than the trib has ever received one. i think the utes are ridiculous and insecure.



they could have handled it worse though. they could have handed it over to the press before byu.

Lingo. You are still missing the point. She had no idea what the Ute Fan planned to do with the picture or when he planned to do it. The Ute fan could have already sent it to The Trib, NCAA, etc., for all she knew. I am sure BYU compliance is glad she gave them a chance to get a jump on this before it got out.



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stgeorgefan wrote:

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And for the supposed booster and allegations about player benefits - well.



Whether he is a booster or not, it is important for BYU fans to find out whether this person in fact encouraged, aided, or abetted Hadley's bad behavior. If he is a booster and benefits were received, this will not be a secret for long. NCAA and internal BYU investigators will be all over the booster benefits part. And BYU will rightfully cut off and distance themselves from him. But booster or not, benefits or not, someone researched and reported that the person with that name operates a local home security company. If he was sitting with Hadley in a strip club - and I am not saying he was - but fans need to know if he was - BYU fans need to dump any services provided by his company. Accountability. Of course Ute fans will be signing up - so perhaps he survives this.



Who could have prevented all of this? Hadley and his buddy.



My dad once advised me - seriously - never fool around unless you are at least 2 tankfulls of gas away from home - or you will get caught. That was before flying became common and phones became cameras. Updated advice for Spencer Hadley - never fool around - especially when famous - unless you are at least two galaxies away from home - or you will get caught - further hurting yourself, teammates, family, friends, University, and Church.



Forget the Ute Fan. Forget the U Compliance Official. Forget The Trib.



Remember Hadley and his friend. That is where the problem lies.



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I just posted about this in the other thread but I think it's a "potentially" a huge part of this.



An alarm company guy. I've heard that selling alarms over the summer is a popular job among players. Maybe that's how this guy comes into the picture. I'd like to rid Byu of that type or work all together. Get rich quick is their motto and by ripping people off too. Make a ton of fast cash and head to vegas to blow it!! Ugh I hate those alarm reps :sick:

I'm sure BYU is doing its due diligence looking into the so called booster. On top of the NCAA violations that "could" be involved, I'm curious as to what kind of boosters byu has.



FWIW, going to a strip club doesn't mean you have to drink. I've been a DD enough to know that. Maybe spencer was the DD for the so called booster ;)

The bug spray and alarm companies in Utah are a plague. Right there with all the network marketing companies. And, let's not forget the church video guys, which ship out RMs every summer to our neighborhood to sell to the ward directory.

ABYUFAN wrote:
What should she have done? Delete the email? Nothing? She can't do "nothing" The entire Joe Paterno situation showed the world that doing nothing is no longer acceptable (if it ever was)



She didn't ask for the initial contact, nor did she forward it to the paper. She sent it to a school that she knew would handle it privately. I cannot see what she could have done better.

She asked for more photos and the unprecedented speed at which this thing came out suggests she (and people above her at the U, as well as the Trib) really helped the process along.



In sum, the Yewt fan took the photo back in late August but held onto it until the week of the rivalry game. Once he sent it on, she (and the U and Trib) obviously knew they had a small window in which to act and they made dang sure they could exploit the situation in the time they had.



Understand?

KingCoug wrote:

What should she have done? Delete the email? Nothing? She can't do "nothing" The entire Joe Paterno situation showed the world that doing nothing is no longer acceptable (if it ever was)



She didn't ask for the initial contact, nor did she forward it to the paper. She sent it to a school that she knew would handle it privately. I cannot see what she could have done better.

She asked for more photos and the unprecedented speed at which this thing came out suggests she (and people above her at the U, as well as the Trib) really helped the process along.



In sum, the Yewt fan took the photo back in late August but held onto it until the week of the rivalry game. Once he sent it on, she (and the U and Trib) obviously knew they had a small window in which to act and they made dang sure they could exploit the situation in the time they had.



Understand?

No I don't understand. Nothing suggests that she forwarded the email to anyone other than BYU. The first anyone heard of it was BYU announcing that he was suspended first for violating team rules, then for honor code violations. I see nothing in this that shows that she acted in concert with anyone. Every email she sends is a public record. If you want, you can do a public records request for all of her emails about that situation. If any of them indicate that she sent anything to anyone other than BYU I'd be willing to consider your position. Absent that she is completely blameless, and anyone who blames her for anything or wishes ill will on her comes across as someone who doesn't mind when bad things are happening at their program so long as nobody knows about it. Or stated another way, don't shoot the messenger...

I don't understand what, if any, liability the Utes would face if they hadn't done anything.



NCAA: Utah you are now on probation with reduced scholarships because you failed to stop a BYU student athletes from accepting impermissible benefits from a BYU alumnus.



Makes no sense to me.

SpiffCoug wrote:
I don't understand what, if any, liability the Utes would face if they hadn't done anything.



NCAA: Utah you are now on probation with reduced scholarships because you failed to stop a BYU student athletes from accepting impermissible benefits from a BYU alumnus.



Makes no sense to me.

That's a good question. I'm not sure that there is any real actual liability for not doing anything. The only down side to doing nothing is that if another school gets info on your kids doing something, you'd want them to send it to you. Schools appreciate finding out about this somewhere other than the press.