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Ogletree's evaluation of BYU vs Texas

by vancouvercougar · 9/10/2013

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BYULV
A great read.
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BroncoBot
BYULV wrote:
A great read.

A VERY great read. Although, I'd rather be watching "tree" than reading his thoughts.
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frdbtr
From Brandon Ogletree (for those of you who don't know, he dominated as a linebacker in BYU's #3 ranked defense last year)



"Looking Forward



After knocking Texas off by 19 points, BYU received 14 votes in the AP poll, good enough for a 32nd place ranking (Only 3 spots behind the University of Texas!) heading into their bye week and a looming showdown against Utah. With 2 ranked opponents left on the schedule (#20 Wisconsin, #21 Notre Dame) and Georgia Tech and Boise State potentially emerging as ranked contenders, on paper (which means nothing) it looks like BYU’s heaviest lifting is done. Texas is by far the most talented and experienced (19 returning starters) team BYU will play this year. After the Virginia loss, Greg Wrubell was nearly stoned to death for suggesting on Twitter that BYU still had plenty to play for, considering a 1-loss Northern Illinois team ran the table for the rest of their season last year to make it to a BCS bowl, with a significantly easier schedule than BYU’s schedule this year. I’m just not willing to count this team out, considering how willing they are to improve from game to game (like we saw proof of last week). The O-Line is still learning how to play as a unit, the WR’s still really haven’t been incorporated into the offense, and as long as the Defense stays healthy they will keep getting better. Utah, Utah State, Boise, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and Georgia Tech are all quality opponents, but all very beatable this year."



This is what I have been arguing all week and getting called stupid by Mars for it.
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snoscythe
But then Ogletree talks about how stupid the coaching of that talent was. In the full context of his review of the Texas defense, I think Tree is on Mars's side of the debate.


My [Tree's] opinion of the Texas defense is that they have all the talent in the world, but are not well coached or disciplined.
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jonnylingo
frdbtr wrote:
From Brandon Ogletree (for those of you who don't know, he dominated as a linebacker in BYU's #3 ranked defense last year)



"Looking Forward



After knocking Texas off by 19 points, BYU received 14 votes in the AP poll, good enough for a 32nd place ranking (Only 3 spots behind the University of Texas!) heading into their bye week and a looming showdown against Utah. With 2 ranked opponents left on the schedule (#20 Wisconsin, #21 Notre Dame) and Georgia Tech and Boise State potentially emerging as ranked contenders, on paper (which means nothing) it looks like BYU’s heaviest lifting is done. Texas is by far the most talented and experienced (19 returning starters) team BYU will play this year. After the Virginia loss, Greg Wrubell was nearly stoned to death for suggesting on Twitter that BYU still had plenty to play for, considering a 1-loss Northern Illinois team ran the table for the rest of their season last year to make it to a BCS bowl, with a significantly easier schedule than BYU’s schedule this year. I’m just not willing to count this team out, considering how willing they are to improve from game to game (like we saw proof of last week). The O-Line is still learning how to play as a unit, the WR’s still really haven’t been incorporated into the offense, and as long as the Defense stays healthy they will keep getting better. Utah, Utah State, Boise, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and Georgia Tech are all quality opponents, but all very beatable this year."



This is what I have been arguing all week and getting called stupid by Mars for it.


You sound bitter. Don't let mars get to you. He thinks aliens are in his milk :P
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frdbtr
snoscythe wrote:
But then Ogletree talks about how stupid the coaching of that talent was. In the full context of his review of the Texas defense, I think Tree is on Mars's side of the debate.


My [Tree's] opinion of the Texas defense is that they have all the talent in the world, but are not well coached or disciplined.


No Ogletree is saying exactly what I have been saying since Saturday night after the win, that Texas was the most talented team we will play all year. They may not have the best coaching but they have the best talent.
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Cougs_Rule
But when talent is a 10 and attitude/hubris is almost a negative number (not sure how to weight that) then you also have what Tree wrote in that the Texas D mailed it in during the 2nd quarter. So, on a way, according to Tree you are both right.
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SpiffCoug
Coaching can make a world of difference - especially on defense and in a very short amount of time. Go look at how the BYU defense played the first few games of 2010 and then after they fired Jamie Hill. The improvement wasn't all schedule related.
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Mars
snoscythe wrote:
But then Ogletree talks about how stupid the coaching of that talent was. In the full context of his review of the Texas defense, I think Tree is on Mars's side of the debate.


My [Tree's] opinion of the Texas defense is that they have all the talent in the world, but are not well coached or disciplined.

If only I'd found a way to mention that Texas was talented... Oh wait [checks thread title]!



:lol:



The point of that thread was that talent doesn't matter very much when it plays POORLY (and that less talented teams BYU will face this year will actually play much better on the field, despite pre-college scouting rankings). The statistics lay it all out pretty clearly. As does Brandon Ogletree (how many times does he mention "on paper" in that blog?).
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frdbtr
Mars wrote:
But then Ogletree talks about how stupid the coaching of that talent was. In the full context of his review of the Texas defense, I think Tree is on Mars's side of the debate.


My [Tree's] opinion of the Texas defense is that they have all the talent in the world, but are not well coached or disciplined.

If only I'd found a way to mention that Texas was talented... Oh wait [checks thread title]!



:lol:



The point of that thread was that talent doesn't matter very much when it plays POORLY (and that less talented teams BYU will face this year will actually play much better on the field, despite pre-college scouting rankings). The statistics lay it all out pretty clearly. As does Brandon Ogletree (how many times does he mention "on paper" in that blog?).


Your thread title wreaks of sarcasm. How is anyone supposed to guess with that sarcasm that you are actually saying that they are a very talented team. If you had titled the thread "Texas has great talent but hasn't realized that on the field" and then qualified your statements that BYU played a really good game against a very talented but poorly coached team, with a final statement that BYU still has a great shot at every team left on the schedule because of the great defense and the potential of an explosive offense, then I would have agreed with your point.



Instead you talked about how Texas was horrible because they were horrible last year and every team with the exception of Houston and Nevada will have better defenses than Texas and that unless BYU learns how to pass we are going to lose to every one of them.
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Mars
frdbtr wrote:
You talked about how Texas was horrible because they were horrible last year and every team with the exception of Houston and Nevada will have better defenses than Texas and that unless BYU learns how to pass we are going to lose to every one of them.

:bug: You've got issues. I listed some 2012 stats.
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nickdutson
snoscythe wrote:
But then Ogletree talks about how stupid the coaching of that talent was. In the full context of his review of the Texas defense, I think Tree is on Mars's side of the debate.




Agree. Mars had a much greater argument and backing it up with stats.
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golong
From game one to game two, BYU fixed it's running game, fixed it's Oline game, and fixed it's special teams play.



From game two to game three (Utah), BYU will fix it's passing game. I'm predicting Hill will throw for at least 250 yards, run for well over 100 yards, and BYU will win by the widest margin against Utah that it has in a decade.



Utah is not playing Weber State next week and Van Noy and company will strike fear into QB Wilson.
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