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Texas Game Not A Sell-Out

by EM_Puma · 9/10/2013

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EM_Puma
I understand that most of the vacant seats at the stadium for the Texas game were weather related, but I was surprised to see that we were 628 short of a sell-out game. The official attendence was 63,197 (capacity is 63,725).



I wonder if BYU thought that the difference would be covered by the students, who were studs, the ones that showed up and stayed. As we were huddled underneath the stands sheltering ourselves from the rain and lightening, I heard those students still roaring out there.
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ABYUFAN
If you ask Cougarbib, he'd tell you that the game was a sellout. He'd explain that by giving a 2 for 1 to Texas, we were big sell-outs ;)
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SpiffCoug
Further proof that the talk shouldn't be of stadium expansion, but stadium contraction. Fewer seats. More comfortable seats. Better game experience. Luxury suites.
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YNot
Had the game started on time on a clear September evening, the stadium would have been packed (at least some point during the first half).



LES needs to BOTH improve seats and add seats. The perfect scenario would be to expand to 75-80K capacity, but 50% of those seats were chairs (instead of benches). BYU could charge a premium price for the good viewing sections and comfortable chairs ($75+ per game), but have plenty of more affordable bench seats in the end zones and corners ($20-40 per game).
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Schmoe
No expansion. Retractable dome ;)
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BroncoBot
SpiffCoug wrote:
Further proof that the talk shouldn't be of stadium expansion, but stadium contraction. Fewer seats. More comfortable seats. Better game experience. Luxury suites.

You're getting old, aren't you spiff. ;)
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Mars


Supply and demand. Make tickets $10/game and BYU sells out a 80,000-seat stadium from here to infinity. Make tickets $80/game and maybe even a game against Texas has a few hundred left.



A BYU Win over Virginia or no rain would have equaled a sell-out anyways. But we're quibbling over a few hundred tickets at that point.
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Cougarbib
ABYUFAN wrote:
If you ask Cougarbib, he'd tell you that the game was a sellout. He'd explain that by giving a 2 for 1 to Texas, we were big sell-outs ;)


This.



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stgeorgefan
Mars wrote:


Supply and demand. Make tickets $10/game and BYU sells out a 80,000-seat stadium from here to infinity. .


Agreed.



Mentioned this in the other thread about ticket prices. Byu has a unique demographic of large young families. More seats at low prices = larger base of fans = more butts in seats.



If we are trying to be like the big time universities and rack up ticket prices we are gonna lose. We are not like any other school. Mormons are always looking for value and bang for buck. Large families dictate that.
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Cougarbib
Multiply and Replenish LES.



Was gonna go with



Multiply and Replenish The Turf - but we want the butts in the seats



Butt



I suppose we need more players on the turf as well.



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EM_Puma
stgeorgefan wrote:


Supply and demand. Make tickets $10/game and BYU sells out a 80,000-seat stadium from here to infinity. .


Agreed.



Mentioned this in the other thread about ticket prices. Byu has a unique demographic of large young families. More seats at low prices = larger base of fans = more butts in seats.



If we are trying to be like the big time universities and rack up ticket prices we are gonna lose. We are not like any other school. Mormons are always looking for value and bang for buck. Large families dictate that.


IMO you are spot on. I think Holmoe was calculating where he needed to be, but has fallen just a tad short. Yes, he said this summer that the prices were dictated because of the reality of scalping and the BYU Athletic department was cold to the idea that scalpers were making money that BYU wanted to pocket themselves, but as you note, WE ARE NOT A NORMAL UNIVERSITY. If someone calculated the minor to adult ratio of our game day attendence, it would be off the chart different that the normal. It's the reality of why our attendence is higher than many univerisities and so I think Holmoe is on the right track conceptually, but he needs to factor in the family portion more of the equation. His prices at the current standard will turn away a lot more families.
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Stirfry
Whats the cost/seat for expansion and the lifespan of those seats? Also, outside of football games how many other events is LES used for? All I can think of is stadium of fire and highschool footbll games.



I'd prefer to have a stadium just big enough that we can sell it out for Texas like games but just becasue we struggle to sell it out doesn't mean we shouldn't do it. It looks bad on T.V. though when there are empty seats.



I think any game that starts off with a long dealy and monsoon would be a poor measure of stadium attendance.
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EM_Puma
Stirfry wrote:
It looks bad on T.V. though when there are empty seats.



I think any game that starts off with a long dealy and monsoon would be a poor measure of stadium attendance.


It probably was. Very well it could have been that they expected the six-hundred some empty seats to be filled by students, but I can't imagine there were 600 plus fans that hadn't decided up to that moment to go to the game and planned on buying tickets at the window. I hadn't heard it specifically, but I was shocked that this game hadn't sold out.



And yes, ESPN kept shooting length-wise and the south section with more than 600 seats empty did look bad, but is explainable after the monsoon.
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Stirfry
EM_Puma wrote:
It looks bad on T.V. though when there are empty seats.



I think any game that starts off with a long dealy and monsoon would be a poor measure of stadium attendance.


It probably was. Very well it could have been that they expected the six-hundred some empty seats to be filled by students, but I can't imagine there were 600 plus fans that hadn't decided up to that moment to go to the game and planned on buying tickets at the window. I hadn't heard it specifically, but I was shocked that this game hadn't sold out.



And yes, ESPN kept shooting length-wise and the south section with more than 600 seats empty did look bad, but is explainable after the monsoon.


Did it officially not sell out or did it not fill up? I am surprised if didn't sell out. There were more students there before the delay then there were at the start of the second quarter I think. It took everyone a while to fill back in, especially students that had somewhere easy to go.
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BYULV
Stirfry wrote:
Stirfry wrote:
It looks bad on T.V. though when there are empty seats.



I think any game that starts off with a long dealy and monsoon would be a poor measure of stadium attendance.


It probably was. Very well it could have been that they expected the six-hundred some empty seats to be filled by students, but I can't imagine there were 600 plus fans that hadn't decided up to that moment to go to the game and planned on buying tickets at the window. I hadn't heard it specifically, but I was shocked that this game hadn't sold out.



And yes, ESPN kept shooting length-wise and the south section with more than 600 seats empty did look bad, but is explainable after the monsoon.


Did it officially not sell out or did it not fill up? I am surprised if didn't sell out. There were more students there before the delay then there were at the start of the second quarter I think. It took everyone a while to fill back in, especially students that had somewhere easy to go.


Really the only empty areas were the top of the student sections and in front and around the texas section. The big Orange following fell a little short. I bet we had a lot more BYU fans at Virginia than Tx had in provo.
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BYULV wrote:
EM_Puma wrote:
It looks bad on T.V. though when there are empty seats.



I think any game that starts off with a long dealy and monsoon would be a poor measure of stadium attendance.


It probably was. Very well it could have been that they expected the six-hundred some empty seats to be filled by students, but I can't imagine there were 600 plus fans that hadn't decided up to that moment to go to the game and planned on buying tickets at the window. I hadn't heard it specifically, but I was shocked that this game hadn't sold out.



And yes, ESPN kept shooting length-wise and the south section with more than 600 seats empty did look bad, but is explainable after the monsoon.


Did it officially not sell out or did it not fill up? I am surprised if didn't sell out. There were more students there before the delay then there were at the start of the second quarter I think. It took everyone a while to fill back in, especially students that had somewhere easy to go.


Really the only empty areas were the top of the student sections and in front and around the texas section. The big Orange following fell a little short. I bet we had a lot more BYU fans at Virginia than Tx had in provo.


I can confirm that, there were far more BYU fans at Virginia than Texas fans at Provo.
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Cougarbib
When I flew in, the rental car attendant and I talked at length once we figured out her grandfather was from my hometown -my dentist. She said there were a lot of Texas fans coming in that day. So, I was surprised to see the visitor section looking more than half empty.





The burnt orange fans I met were all polite. And some were seated elsewhere in the stadium. Maybe Texas fans took BYU l lightly, too. Or were literally FAIR WEATHER FANS.



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BYULV
I know 3 from my group left after the storm and prior to kickoff, so that accounts for three of the empty seats - sorry :~(
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Cougarbib
BYULV wrote:
I know 3 from my group left after the storm and prior to kickoff, so that accounts for three of the empty seats - sorry :~(


Many empty seats were a result of people with tickets choosing to go someplace warmer and dryer as in your case. It is easy to understand too, when some are children or guests who did not attend BYU.



It is interestinf, though, that some tickets remained unsold even though some fans were buying seats from scalpers at prices above face value.



I think the VA loss caused a few people to fall off the bandwagon. Those fans are likely climbing back on the wagon this week.



I predict a U@Y sellout.



I would be intetested as to whether Texas sold it's allotment.



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Mars
stgeorgefan wrote:
Byu has a unique demographic of large young families. More seats at low prices = larger base of fans = more butts in seats. If we are trying to be like the big time universities and rack up ticket prices we are gonna lose. We are not like any other school. Mormons are always looking for value and bang for buck. Large families dictate that.

See: Cosmo Kids Club.
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