CougarCorner
Sign in
Archived Topic

This year's pro-style, hurry-up offense

by Wolfman · 8/20/2013

Advertisement
W
Wolfman
Why are Anae and Bronco going to try and implement a pro-style, hurry-up offense this year? BYU doesn't have the speed to be able to pull that off nor do they have the all-around athleticism. Sure, if we're talking Oregon or USC, it could work, but not in Provo where BYU needs a drop-back passer to be successful. What has been one of BYU's biggest achille's heels in recent years under Bronco? False starts and getting plays off in time... and that was in normal mode. Now they're going to run plays every 12 seconds, hoping for a quick strike capability with basically a freshman QB??? With Robert Anae calling the shots? Why does this have disaster written all over it?
S
stgeorgefan
Wolfman wrote:
Why are Anae and Bronco going to try and implement a pro-style, hurry-up offense this year? BYU doesn't have the speed to be able to pull that off nor do they have the all-around athleticism. Sure, if we're talking Oregon or USC, it could work, but not in Provo where BYU needs a drop-back passer to be successful. What has been one of BYU's biggest achille's heels in recent years under Bronco? False starts and getting plays off in time... and that was in normal mode. Now they're going to run plays every 12 seconds, hoping for a quick strike capability with basically a freshman QB??? With Robert Anae calling the shots? Why does this have disaster written all over it?




The hurry up offense If I understand it correctly is a gimmick of sorts to give you an advantage to win.



Alabama and other SEC teams aren't doing it because they have the size and speed.



Byu I think is looking for an edge ( similar to Lavell passing the ball in the 70-80's )



The opposite of what your saying is true in many ways.
Y
YNot
stgeorgefan wrote:
The hurry up offense If I understand it correctly is a gimmick of sorts to give you an advantage to win.



Alabama and other SEC teams aren't doing it because they have the size and speed.


I would just point out that it isn't a gimmick at all. That's not the right word. It's a strategy. Alabama doesn't use it, but Texas A&M sure does.



BYU's offense, like Oregon, Arizona, West Virginia, and Texas A&M, is designed to create easier, more simple plays so that the team can execute each play at a high level. To be successful, it requires the QB to read how the defense is lined up before the snap and how the defense responds after the snap. It takes an exceptional QB that can act almost like a point guard in making quick decisions.



Many play calls will create situations where the QB makes a read based on: 1) how many defenders are in the "box" (ie, to defend the run) to decide whether to run or throw and then 2) reading the DE, outside linebackers, or strong safety to decide whether to hand off or run a keeper or throw a slant or a quick bubble screen or a downfield route.



As many teams have proven, it has the potential to move the ball quickly and counter any defensive positioning, blitz, or coverage scheme based simply on 2 or 3 quick QB reads. The QB MUST be able to make the right reads, or it will make for very short drives and a very long season.
W
Wolfman
stgeorgefan wrote:
Why are Anae and Bronco going to try and implement a pro-style, hurry-up offense this year? BYU doesn't have the speed to be able to pull that off nor do they have the all-around athleticism. Sure, if we're talking Oregon or USC, it could work, but not in Provo where BYU needs a drop-back passer to be successful. What has been one of BYU's biggest achille's heels in recent years under Bronco? False starts and getting plays off in time... and that was in normal mode. Now they're going to run plays every 12 seconds, hoping for a quick strike capability with basically a freshman QB??? With Robert Anae calling the shots? Why does this have disaster written all over it?




The hurry up offense If I understand it correctly is a gimmick of sorts to give you an advantage to win.



Alabama and other SEC teams aren't doing it because they have the size and speed.



Byu I think is looking for an edge ( similar to Lavell passing the ball in the 70-80's )



The opposite of what your saying is true in many ways.

Hurry-up offenses serve two purposes... to keep defenses on their heels and for scoring quickly with little time on the clock. In order to run an offense like that all the time, you've got to have speed, depth and almost flawless execution on your side, something that BYU always seems to struggle with, which is why it makes no sense what they are doing.
S
Stirfry
Wolfman wrote:
Wolfman wrote:
Why are Anae and Bronco going to try and implement a pro-style, hurry-up offense this year? BYU doesn't have the speed to be able to pull that off nor do they have the all-around athleticism. Sure, if we're talking Oregon or USC, it could work, but not in Provo where BYU needs a drop-back passer to be successful. What has been one of BYU's biggest achille's heels in recent years under Bronco? False starts and getting plays off in time... and that was in normal mode. Now they're going to run plays every 12 seconds, hoping for a quick strike capability with basically a freshman QB??? With Robert Anae calling the shots? Why does this have disaster written all over it?




The hurry up offense If I understand it correctly is a gimmick of sorts to give you an advantage to win.



Alabama and other SEC teams aren't doing it because they have the size and speed.



Byu I think is looking for an edge ( similar to Lavell passing the ball in the 70-80's )



The opposite of what your saying is true in many ways.

Hurry-up offenses serve two purposes... to keep defenses on their heels and for scoring quickly with little time on the clock. In order to run an offense like that all the time, you've got to have speed, depth and almost flawless execution on your side, something that BYU always seems to struggle with, which is why it makes no sense what they are doing.


I'm going to make the assumption that you're a :utard: fan so I pose the same question to you.
Advertisement
S
stgeorgefan
YNot wrote:
The hurry up offense If I understand it correctly is a gimmick of sorts to give you an advantage to win.



Alabama and other SEC teams aren't doing it because they have the size and speed.


I would just point out that it isn't a gimmick at all. That's not the right word. It's a strategy. Alabama doesn't use it, but Texas A&M sure does.



BYU's offense, like Oregon, Arizona, West Virginia, and Texas A&M, is designed to create easier, more simple plays so that the team can execute each play at a high level. To be successful, it requires the QB to read how the defense is lined up before the snap and how the defense responds after the snap. It takes an exceptional QB that can act almost like a point guard in making quick decisions.



Many play calls will create situations where the QB makes a read based on: 1) how many defenders are in the "box" (ie, to defend the run) to decide whether to run or throw and then 2) reading the DE, outside linebackers, or strong safety to decide whether to hand off or run a keeper or throw a slant or a quick bubble screen or a downfield route.



As many teams have proven, it has the potential to move the ball quickly and counter any defensive positioning, blitz, or coverage scheme based simply on 2 or 3 quick QB reads. The QB MUST be able to make the right reads, or it will make for very short drives and a very long season.


I said " gimmick of sorts" Go fast go hard; as Anae has explained it, IS a a gimmick of sorts. I don't want to associate gimmick with bad, it seems that many think that gimmicks are bad.
W
Wolfman
Stirfry wrote:
stgeorgefan wrote:
Why are Anae and Bronco going to try and implement a pro-style, hurry-up offense this year? BYU doesn't have the speed to be able to pull that off nor do they have the all-around athleticism. Sure, if we're talking Oregon or USC, it could work, but not in Provo where BYU needs a drop-back passer to be successful. What has been one of BYU's biggest achille's heels in recent years under Bronco? False starts and getting plays off in time... and that was in normal mode. Now they're going to run plays every 12 seconds, hoping for a quick strike capability with basically a freshman QB??? With Robert Anae calling the shots? Why does this have disaster written all over it?




The hurry up offense If I understand it correctly is a gimmick of sorts to give you an advantage to win.



Alabama and other SEC teams aren't doing it because they have the size and speed.



Byu I think is looking for an edge ( similar to Lavell passing the ball in the 70-80's )



The opposite of what your saying is true in many ways.

Hurry-up offenses serve two purposes... to keep defenses on their heels and for scoring quickly with little time on the clock. In order to run an offense like that all the time, you've got to have speed, depth and almost flawless execution on your side, something that BYU always seems to struggle with, which is why it makes no sense what they are doing.


I'm going to make the assumption that you're a :utard: fan so I pose the same question to you.

False assumption... I think the Utes are going 4-8 this year (5-7 at best). Never been red.
S
stgeorgefan
Wolfman wrote:
Wolfman wrote:
Why are Anae and Bronco going to try and implement a pro-style, hurry-up offense this year? BYU doesn't have the speed to be able to pull that off nor do they have the all-around athleticism. Sure, if we're talking Oregon or USC, it could work, but not in Provo where BYU needs a drop-back passer to be successful. What has been one of BYU's biggest achille's heels in recent years under Bronco? False starts and getting plays off in time... and that was in normal mode. Now they're going to run plays every 12 seconds, hoping for a quick strike capability with basically a freshman QB??? With Robert Anae calling the shots? Why does this have disaster written all over it?




The hurry up offense If I understand it correctly is a gimmick of sorts to give you an advantage to win.



Alabama and other SEC teams aren't doing it because they have the size and speed.



Byu I think is looking for an edge ( similar to Lavell passing the ball in the 70-80's )



The opposite of what your saying is true in many ways.

Hurry-up offenses serve two purposes... to keep defenses on their heels and for scoring quickly with little time on the clock. In order to run an offense like that all the time, you've got to have speed, depth and almost flawless execution on your side, something that BYU always seems to struggle with, which is why it makes no sense what they are doing.




Wolf; if the two purposes are to keep defenses on their heels and to score fast how is that something only elite athletes can do?



The big time programs coaching this kind of offense all came from smaller schools. Ohio state( bowling green, utah), Michigan,( SDSU, Ball St) A&M,( Houston) Chip Kelly( deleware?) at UO. This offense was developed by mid majors to level the playing field with their average athletes.

It's not to say that elite athletes can't run it, its been proved to work fine. My point is the reason why such an offense was created.
R
redneckjedi
The premises of your arguments are false. Your whole train of thought is based on the premise that it takes speed and athleticism to run this kind of offense, which is false. The sole reason for this kind of offense is that you don't have the speed or athleticism to play the elite teams straight up. Discipline, precise execution, and endurance are the keys to this offense. They are things that can be taught and conditioned, and that are traditionally BYU's strengths. Going fast and going hard and having a mastery of the scheme you are running allows you to keep the defense off-balance and use their own athleticism against them. Until we have elite athletic talent, the way we win games is to be a step ahead mentally. If you can out-think your opponent, you don't always have to outrun or overpower him. And barring some new revolutionary offensive idea on the same level as what BYU did starting in the 1970s, this is the best way to do it.



If we had the power to run the ball down people's throats, we'd do it. If we had the speed and pass protection to go all Texas Tech on people, we'd do that. Unfortunately, it's not the 1980's anymore - we're not going to beat people with a wide-open passing game due to the sheer novelty of the idea. Defensive schemes have caught up and know how to handle it.
M
mizzoucoug
Agreed with Redneck. I reserve my skepticism for Anae in general, however, although he should be a huge upgrade over Doman even in his worst year. I do amazingly enough agree with Wolfie about the discipline aspect. Our OL is already a question mark and is notorious for untimely false starts--will this somehow go away with 2x the snaps in a game? Man, I hope so but the odds are not for it. I'm a little nervous about this looking regrettable early on.
Advertisement
B
blue42
although I like the thought of "go fast and go hard" I really hope it isn't a repeat of a couple of years ago when BYU was great moving the ball between the 20's put struggled mightly in the blue zone.



I would love to see the O dominate regardless of field position, and based off the stories I have seen, it has really kept BYU's defense sucking wind and off balance. If it can do that with a Bronco defense, it should hopefully work well on other team's defenses.
R
redneckjedi
One of the big causes of our false starts - ESPECIALLY against Utah - is late shifts on the d-line. If you don't give them time for that, that source of false starts goes away. Also, if you're snapping it as soon as you're lined up correctly, that's less time for the o-line to sit there with their hand in the ground, and less odds for a false start.



With the o-line, so many times they wind up in a defensive mindset because the defensive front 7 can shift, show blitz, etc. and they have to just sit there. The less time they have to do that stuff, the more likely your o-line will have an offensive mindset. You may even catch them in the middle of a shift or formation change.



I think this actually makes the discipline required for perfect execution lower, because there's just a lot less stuff to do - and which can go wrong - before the snap. That puts more responsibility on the scheme designer and play callers to send in stuff that is ready to go immediately, without a lot of pre-snap adjustment. That makes me worry we'll be pretty vanilla in the first few games until we have a handle on it. But I think it helps us in terms of pre-snap penalties and o-line mindset.
S
Schmoe
redneckjedi wrote:
One of the big causes of our false starts - ESPECIALLY against Utah - is late shifts on the d-line.


One of the causes of false starts against Utah is that they bark out and simulate the snap count.
M
Mars
Schmoe wrote:
One of the causes of false starts against Utah is that they bark out and simulate the snap count.

Bronco should get 17 officials fired for not calling those penalties...



:evil:
G
golong
Hill is basically a junior, not "basically a freshman."



Why do you need great athletes to run this offense? You could make the same argument about any offense, the Woody Hayes grind it out style, or the West Virginia pass, pass offense.



This offense will bring shock value to the defense in a couple of ways; 1) they will not have time to process the formation, the personnel, or the play, 2) the BYU offense will score, then the BYU defense will get the ball back for BYU and they will score again. The opposing team will be down 14-0 before people get settled in their seats.



It would not be a stretch to argue that Hill, Coffman, Apo, Matthews, Williams, HIne, and Friel are great athletes. No reason they can't run this offense as well as anyone.
Advertisement
R
redneckjedi
Schmoe wrote:
One of the big causes of our false starts - ESPECIALLY against Utah - is late shifts on the d-line.


One of the causes of false starts against Utah is that they bark out and simulate the snap count.


Yes, there's that, too. :angry: I don't know why they get away with crap like that and extremely hands-on pass defense year after year.
S
stgeorgefan
mizzoucoug wrote:
Agreed with Redneck. I reserve my skepticism for Anae in general, however, although he should be a huge upgrade over Doman even in his worst year. I do amazingly enough agree with Wolfie about the discipline aspect. Our OL is already a question mark and is notorious for untimely false starts--will this somehow go away with 2x the snaps in a game? Man, I hope so but the odds are not for it. I'm a little nervous about this looking regrettable early on.




Also worth noting regarding the O-line and false starts. Lots of new lineman. More experience and a new OL coach.
B
Brayden Green
Schmoe wrote:
One of the big causes of our false starts - ESPECIALLY against Utah - is late shifts on the d-line.


One of the causes of false starts against Utah is that they bark out and simulate the snap count.


Yep. Seconded. Bunch of turds.
This is an archived topic from the original CougarCorner forum. New replies are not accepted.