Changing Total Wins

I was just curious if anyone knew what happened to the official win total after a forfeit. For example, since USC had to forfeit games Reggie Bush played in, and BYU lost the game at the time, does BYU now count one more official win since USC forfeited their game? And do reporters who cite how many wins a program has had in the last ten years include the forfeited game as a win now, or is it pretty much meaningless?



USC's forfeit from 2004 still shows up as a loss.



http://byucougars.com/schedule/m-football/2004



In my mind, it shouls say win--forfeit, and BYU's record should be 6-6 that year.



I don't know why I get caught up in these things, but it seems to me if no one goes back and adjusts the records, there really is no punishment for cheating.

The way the NCAA treats these "vacated wins" is the offending team's record is affected. There is no change in the records of other teams. In the series record between the two teams the affected game is eliminated from the series record.

rblack wrote:
The way the NCAA treats these "vacated wins" is the offending team's record is affected. There is no change in the records of other teams. In the series record between the two teams the affected game is eliminated from the series record.

I think the NCAA has dealt with this in an unfair manner, then. If the win must be vacated, so must the loss, because the loss occurred, in part, because a really good ineglible player was there making plays that caused the loss. Why should the team that played fairly have to record a loss against the team that cheated? If you want to say the game does not count against either team, that would at least be a fairer conclusion because we don't know how the game would have turned out had the ineligible player not been playing. However, to take away the win from the cheater and make the loss remain for the one who played within the rules is patently unfair.



To really make it hurt, rather than just vacate the win, they should change it to a loss. When someone cheats, they should lose.



Thank you for the explanation, by the way. My disappointment is not with the answer you gave me, but the unfair way the NCAA treats forfeits.

Are you saying that the NCAA is inconsistent and unfair?

I'm shocked!

:whistle: ;)

Moot point - the loss to USC in '04 did not occur within the time period where wins were vacated.



http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/news/story?id=5272615" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The penalties include the loss of 30 football scholarships over three years and vacating 14 victories in which Bush played from December 2004 through the 2005 season.