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Given the new hire...

by stuckinbig10country · 1/5/2013

stuckinbig10country

1/5/2013, 9:49:36 PM

I believe that Hoffman should reconsider staying at BYU. Hoffman could become Todd Watkins 2.0. The star receiver who made the choice to come back to BYU for his senior year, which happened to be Anae's first year at BYU. Watkins went from a mid round draft pick to not.

There are differences with Hoffman, in that he's never really been a huge down field threat and most of his catches are short, and he's good at YAC (not Watkins strength).

I really actually feel this hire could potentially be worse for Apo, not that he's performed well enough for this to make a difference.

Hill does have a good arm, and can make all the throws necessary in any offense. Remember, he was recruited to play QB by Harbaugh at Stanford. Stanford doesn't run a spread offense, so I believe he has the skills necessary to play in a more conventional offense.

frdbtr

1/5/2013, 9:58:12 PM

stuckinbig10country wrote:
I believe that Hoffman should reconsider staying at BYU. Hoffman could become Todd Watkins 2.0. The star receiver who made the choice to come back to BYU for his senior year, which happened to be Anae's first year at BYU. Watkins went from a mid round draft pick to not.

There are differences with Hoffman, in that he's never really been a huge down field threat and most of his catches are short, and he's good at YAC (not Watkins strength).

I really actually feel this hire could potentially be worse for Apo, not that he's performed well enough for this to make a difference.

Hill does have a good arm, and can make all the throws necessary in any offense. Remember, he was recruited to play QB by Harbaugh at Stanford. Stanford doesn't run a spread offense, so I believe he has the skills necessary to play in a more conventional offense.

So what you are saying is that Anae doesn't know how to utilize a good Wide reciever because Watkins was fast but had bad hands? Did you ever hear of Austin Collie? He did fine under Anae's system.

Brayden Green

1/5/2013, 10:48:40 PM

Hoffman is not NFL talent. Not yet. He has *zero* shot of making a team, or probably even getting drafted. He needs another year of stat-padding, to learn how to block, AND/OR to shave at least 2 tenths off of his 40.

You are living in a dreamland if you think that he would make an NFL roster at this stage of his career.

Jarhead

1/5/2013, 11:13:15 PM

stuckinbig10country wrote:
I believe that Hoffman should reconsider staying at BYU. Hoffman could become Todd Watkins 2.0. The star receiver who made the choice to come back to BYU for his senior year, which happened to be Anae's first year at BYU. Watkins went from a mid round draft pick to not.

There are differences with Hoffman, in that he's never really been a huge down field threat and most of his catches are short, and he's good at YAC (not Watkins strength).

I really actually feel this hire could potentially be worse for Apo, not that he's performed well enough for this to make a difference.

Hill does have a good arm, and can make all the throws necessary in any offense. Remember, he was recruited to play QB by Harbaugh at Stanford. Stanford doesn't run a spread offense, so I believe he has the skills necessary to play in a more conventional offense.

Could Apo really do worse? He was almost completely irrelevant this year.

stgeorgefan

1/5/2013, 11:17:26 PM

How could Apo do worse when you go from an OC that like to run his QB to an OC that likes to have a pocket QB...

If you'd like a better comparison how about McKay Jacobson... Great under Anae, absent under Doman

stuckinbig10country

1/5/2013, 11:56:11 PM

stgeorgefan wrote:
How could Apo do worse when you go from an OC that like to run his QB to an OC that likes to have a pocket QB...

If you'd like a better comparison how about McKay Jacobson... Great under Anae, absent under Doman

Jacobson was a good freshman, under Anae, was poor the two years after his mission, also under Anae, and was bad his senior year under Doman.

Apo has been a disappointment, but part of it is due to the types of routes he's asked to run and who is throwing the ball.

SpiffCoug

1/6/2013, 1:34:29 AM

Apo is done. He's now an upperclassmen. Time to make way for younger and more talented underclassmen.

Mars

1/6/2013, 5:42:47 AM

BlueIsBetter wrote:
Hoffman is not NFL talent. Not yet. He has *zero* shot of making a team, or probably even getting drafted... You are living in a dreamland if you think that he would make an NFL roster at this stage of his career.

Disagree on all points.

Sammich

1/6/2013, 6:23:08 AM

Watkins would have had an awesome senior year if he'd just held onto the ball. He had more wide open drops near the endzone that year than any player I can remember.

Brayden Green

1/6/2013, 7:19:11 AM

Mars wrote:
Hoffman is not NFL talent. Not yet. He has *zero* shot of making a team, or probably even getting drafted... You are living in a dreamland if you think that he would make an NFL roster at this stage of his career.

Disagree on all points.

On what grounds? He runs about a 4.7 40, is only 6'3 and 200 lbs or so and can't block (so he wouldn't be playing TE), and he has trouble getting off of bump coverage.

He has a lot to work on to be NFL caliber.

mizzoucoug

1/6/2013, 7:37:31 PM

Mars wrote:
Hoffman is not NFL talent. Not yet. He has *zero* shot of making a team, or probably even getting drafted... You are living in a dreamland if you think that he would make an NFL roster at this stage of his career.

Disagree on all points.

That's just your blue-goggles talking. Hoffman is not an NFL talent. He is an above average receiver in college. Nothing more.

a1247

1/6/2013, 10:26:46 PM

mizzoucoug wrote:
BlueIsBetter wrote:
Hoffman is not NFL talent. Not yet. He has *zero* shot of making a team, or probably even getting drafted... You are living in a dreamland if you think that he would make an NFL roster at this stage of his career.

Disagree on all points.

That's just your blue-goggles talking. Hoffman is not an NFL talent. He is an above average receiver in college. Nothing more.

I am not sure why it is that you say he is not an NFL talent. You said " Hoffman is not an NFL talent. He is an above average receiver in college. Nothing more."

Every year players that are "above average talent" get drafted into the NFL. I dont think anyone is saying he is going to be a top 3 round draft pick but he has the talent and the body to at least get drafted even if its in the 7th round.

When he was in high school he wasn't really even considered an above average player. Go back and look at his recruiting page on Scouts.com and you will see that the only "major" college to offer him was BYU. But he went from being a low 2 star recruit that only BYU offered to a player that has the chance to hold almost all the major receiving records at BYU.

What is it about him that you don't see as NFL talent?

Again I am not saying he would or will be a high draft pick just that I think he will be drafted.

Cougarbib

1/6/2013, 10:41:10 PM

mizzoucoug wrote:
BlueIsBetter wrote:
Hoffman is not NFL talent. Not yet. He has *zero* shot of making a team, or probably even getting drafted... You are living in a dreamland if you think that he would make an NFL roster at this stage of his career.

Disagree on all points.

That's just your blue-goggles talking. Hoffman is not an NFL talent. He is an above average receiver in college. Nothing more.

So we all agree - Stuck is nuts on this one and Hoff was wise to stay.

KVN also wise. How many of you posted in the what could have been threads that if we even had Anae's offense in 2012 we would have won 3 or more additional games.

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BroncoBot

1/6/2013, 10:45:25 PM

Cougarbib wrote:
Mars wrote:
Hoffman is not NFL talent. Not yet. He has *zero* shot of making a team, or probably even getting drafted... You are living in a dreamland if you think that he would make an NFL roster at this stage of his career.

Disagree on all points.

That's just your blue-goggles talking. Hoffman is not an NFL talent. He is an above average receiver in college. Nothing more.

So we all agree - Stuck is nuts on this one and Hoff was wise to stay.

KVN also wise. How many of you posted in the what could have been threads that if we wven hsd Anae's offense in 2012 we would have won 3 or more additional games.

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Cougest

1/7/2013, 12:59:50 AM

a1247 wrote:
Mars wrote:
Hoffman is not NFL talent. Not yet. He has *zero* shot of making a team, or probably even getting drafted... You are living in a dreamland if you think that he would make an NFL roster at this stage of his career.

Disagree on all points.

That's just your blue-goggles talking. Hoffman is not an NFL talent. He is an above average receiver in college. Nothing more.

I am not sure why it is that you say he is not an NFL talent. You said " Hoffman is not an NFL talent. He is an above average receiver in college. Nothing more."

Every year players that are "above average talent" get drafted into the NFL. I dont think anyone is saying he is going to be a top 3 round draft pick but he has the talent and the body to at least get drafted even if its in the 7th round.

When he was in high school he wasn't really even considered an above average player. Go back and look at his recruiting page on Scouts.com and you will see that the only "major" college to offer him was BYU. But he went from being a low 2 star recruit that only BYU offered to a player that has the chance to hold almost all the major receiving records at BYU.

What is it about him that you don't see as NFL talent?

Again I am not saying he would or will be a high draft pick just that I think he will be drafted.

Mars

1/7/2013, 1:06:47 AM

Tall, fast, quick, athletic, good hops, good routes, good hands. That's what I see.

He will be the best all-time at BYU in multiple receiving categories. I would hope that he could make it in the NFL. Austin Collie's success makes me think that he can.

mizzoucoug

1/7/2013, 3:31:36 AM

a1247 wrote:
Mars wrote:
Hoffman is not NFL talent. Not yet. He has *zero* shot of making a team, or probably even getting drafted... You are living in a dreamland if you think that he would make an NFL roster at this stage of his career.

Disagree on all points.

That's just your blue-goggles talking. Hoffman is not an NFL talent. He is an above average receiver in college. Nothing more.

I am not sure why it is that you say he is not an NFL talent. You said " Hoffman is not an NFL talent. He is an above average receiver in college. Nothing more."

Every year players that are "above average talent" get drafted into the NFL. I dont think anyone is saying he is going to be a top 3 round draft pick but he has the talent and the body to at least get drafted even if its in the 7th round.

When he was in high school he wasn't really even considered an above average player. Go back and look at his recruiting page on Scouts.com and you will see that the only "major" college to offer him was BYU. But he went from being a low 2 star recruit that only BYU offered to a player that has the chance to hold almost all the major receiving records at BYU.

What is it about him that you don't see as NFL talent?

Again I am not saying he would or will be a high draft pick just that I think he will be drafted.

Sure. This is not the first time we've had this discussion. Hoffman is not quick enough for the NFL and doesn't get behind defenders often enough. By saying "above average," what I mean is that he is above average for us not for the entire NCAA's. Collie was the best we've ever had and he's a slot receive in the NFL. Hoffman is a bigger target but I just don't think he has the speed to be anything more than a post-draft pickup. I love the kid but I'm not sure he's got the tools.

byucougar1

1/7/2013, 4:04:45 AM

Speed is not the only qualifier as to making it the NFL - running solid routes, playing with a very competitive attitude (big heart) and having great hands count for much. For some history, check out Steve Largent and Fred Biletnikoff. They were able to get open with crafty moves and haul in most passes. Also HOF material. Hoffman has those intangibles as he finds a way to make the catch (in traffic) and come up with catches on errant throws. He will do fine. His final year, with a good O scheme and QB will provide many highlights.

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