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Bronco mendenhall from former players perspective

by frdbtr · 12/11/2012

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Mars


Yeah Wagner, you were better than KVN. Riiight.
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byucougar1
KVN gambled a lot - wan't as assignment sound. That's why Bronco played Wagner. KVN has matured a lot. He still makes the big play, 43% of his tackles were for loss. He is more assignment sound this year.



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frdbtr
No one in the article said that Wagner was better than KVN, in fact they said exactly the opposite. The article said that Bronco's assistants chose the starters and Bronco backed them up in the media by saying that it was his decision.
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northerncougar
frdbtr wrote:
Article by Harmon:



http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765617507/Former-BYU-players-insist-that-fans-dont-know-the-real-Bronco-Mendenhall.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



I have nothing more to say than a freakin Men. Fans have no Idea on what it is like to be the head coach at BYU. Bronco is doing a phenominal job.


I don't know what phenominal means for you, but If you are referring to how he is building and molding young men to be great men, I agree completely. If you are referring to how he is doing as a HC when it comes to win/loss record, not sure that word applies.



I have no issue with the article, but frankly I couldn't care less. I think it's great that he gets along so well with his players and that they love him. I don't want him to leave either.



I'm just tired of losing games we shouldn't. I'm tired of hearing how great of a guy he is. I don't have any problems with that, I just don't care. Win some important games, and I don't care if all the players hate him.



This articles means nothing to me. Not sure what about it excites you.
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Schmoe
northerncougar wrote:
Article by Harmon:



http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765617507/Former-BYU-players-insist-that-fans-dont-know-the-real-Bronco-Mendenhall.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



I have nothing more to say than a freakin Men. Fans have no Idea on what it is like to be the head coach at BYU. Bronco is doing a phenominal job.


I don't know what phenominal means for you, but If you are referring to how he is building and molding young men to be great men, I agree completely. If you are referring to how he is doing as a HC when it comes to win/loss record, not sure that word applies.


You mean as the fifth-winningest active head coach in the country? Yeah, I'd say it does apply. If you want to quibble about who those wins were against, that's fine, but his win/loss record is pretty phenomenal.
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frdbtr
Schmoe wrote:
frdbtr wrote:
Article by Harmon:



http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765617507/Former-BYU-players-insist-that-fans-dont-know-the-real-Bronco-Mendenhall.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



I have nothing more to say than a freakin Men. Fans have no Idea on what it is like to be the head coach at BYU. Bronco is doing a phenominal job.


I don't know what phenominal means for you, but If you are referring to how he is building and molding young men to be great men, I agree completely. If you are referring to how he is doing as a HC when it comes to win/loss record, not sure that word applies.


You mean as the fifth-winningest active head coach in the country? Yeah, I'd say it does apply. If you want to quibble about who those wins were against, that's fine, but his win/loss record is pretty phenomenal.


Couldn't have said it better myself.
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northerncougar
Schmoe wrote:
frdbtr wrote:
Article by Harmon:



http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765617507/Former-BYU-players-insist-that-fans-dont-know-the-real-Bronco-Mendenhall.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



I have nothing more to say than a freakin Men. Fans have no Idea on what it is like to be the head coach at BYU. Bronco is doing a phenominal job.


I don't know what phenominal means for you, but If you are referring to how he is building and molding young men to be great men, I agree completely. If you are referring to how he is doing as a HC when it comes to win/loss record, not sure that word applies.


You mean as the fifth-winningest active head coach in the country? Yeah, I'd say it does apply. If you want to quibble about who those wins were against, that's fine, but his win/loss record is pretty phenomenal.


Sure, if you want to twist what I said into this. You know it wasn't but it makes your argument work a little better.



Come on man. Stay with the discussion.
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Schmoe
northerncougar wrote:
northerncougar wrote:
Article by Harmon:



http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765617507/Former-BYU-players-insist-that-fans-dont-know-the-real-Bronco-Mendenhall.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



I have nothing more to say than a freakin Men. Fans have no Idea on what it is like to be the head coach at BYU. Bronco is doing a phenominal job.


I don't know what phenominal means for you, but If you are referring to how he is building and molding young men to be great men, I agree completely. If you are referring to how he is doing as a HC when it comes to win/loss record, not sure that word applies.


You mean as the fifth-winningest active head coach in the country? Yeah, I'd say it does apply. If you want to quibble about who those wins were against, that's fine, but his win/loss record is pretty phenomenal.


Sure, if you want to twist what I said into this. You know it wasn't but it makes your argument work a little better.



Come on man. Stay with the discussion.


Sure, if you want to try to backtrack and pretend that you didn't specifically say "WIN/LOSS RECORD." You know you chose the wrong thing about Bronco to pick on, but it makes your argument better to act like I'm the one "twisting" things.
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Mars
Schmoe wrote:
You mean as the fifth-winningest active head coach in the country? Yeah, I'd say it does apply. If you want to quibble about who those wins were against, that's fine, but his win/loss record is pretty phenomenal.

Football is a "what have you done for me lately?" sport. See: Auburn.



What has Bronco done lately? 24-14 since 2010, with losses to SJSU, Notre Dame, Oregon State, Boise State, Utah, TCU, Utah, Texas, Utah, TCU, Utah State, Nevada, Florida State, and Air Force. 0-3 against his main rival. Plus he lost Robert Anae to Arizona, lost the chance to win any more conference Championships, lost Jake Heaps to Kansas, and lost Taysom Hill to injury. Maybe losing Kyle Van Noy and Cody Hoffman next.



It's been a rough stretch. Sure, 3 bowls with 2 bowl wins isn't something to turn down, but still, he is beginning to lose a lot of the fans as well at this point by losing himself the PR battle in the media. Beating SDSU could get us into the post-season with a better taste in our mouths though.
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northerncougar
Schmoe wrote:
Schmoe wrote:
frdbtr wrote:
Article by Harmon:



http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765617507/Former-BYU-players-insist-that-fans-dont-know-the-real-Bronco-Mendenhall.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



I have nothing more to say than a freakin Men. Fans have no Idea on what it is like to be the head coach at BYU. Bronco is doing a phenominal job.


I don't know what phenominal means for you, but If you are referring to how he is building and molding young men to be great men, I agree completely. If you are referring to how he is doing as a HC when it comes to win/loss record, not sure that word applies.


You mean as the fifth-winningest active head coach in the country? Yeah, I'd say it does apply. If you want to quibble about who those wins were against, that's fine, but his win/loss record is pretty phenomenal.


Sure, if you want to twist what I said into this. You know it wasn't but it makes your argument work a little better.



Come on man. Stay with the discussion.


Sure, if you want to try to backtrack and pretend that you didn't specifically say "WIN/LOSS RECORD." You know you chose the wrong thing about Bronco to pick on, but it makes your argument better to act like I'm the one "twisting" things.


Look, I know that this is hard for you to grasp but here it is: I said that the Win/Loss record doesn't show that he is phenomenal. That's all I said. I think he has done a very good job at times, and massively underachieved at other times. The past three years have been very poor when it comes to what should have been.



Fifth-winningest active head coach in the country sounds really good until you look at the teams BYU has beaten and has lost to. This year being a prime example.
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byucougar1
Remind you that apart from loss at home to OSU, all are other losses were to ranked teams on the road. With an uncertain QB situation - playing with hurt QB - we still were in most the games and should have won many. Still managed to salvage a season despite some obvious disappointing decisions. Bitter pill is that we came into season with opportunity to have a great record - achilles heel was OL which has been an underachieving position for several years. Season will be easier to swallow if we beat SDSU. Look for better team next year with corrections and changes made that Holmoe alluded to. Given MWC and Independence - not a whole lot of choices about who we could play and SOS - had to take what we could get. This year showed the beginning of improved schedule of good teams. BTW - SJSU was for real this year as their coach just took a much improved step into coaching a program with good potential and visibility.



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Mars
byucougar1 wrote:
Remind you that apart from loss at home to OSU, all are other losses were to ranked teams on the road.

Utah

Boise State

SJSU



One of those is NOT ranked. None would be if BYU had won those games.
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SpiffCoug
Mars wrote:
Remind you that apart from loss at home to OSU, all are other losses were to ranked teams on the road.

Utah

Boise State

SJSU



One of those is NOT ranked. None would be if BYU had won those games.

Ok, well, if you take those games out AND the OSU loss at home, all of the other losses were to ranked teams on the road.
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Ygridiron4ever
byucougar1 wrote:
Remind you that apart from loss at home to OSU, all are other losses were to ranked teams on the road. With an uncertain QB situation - playing with hurt QB - we still were in most the games and should have won many. Still managed to salvage a season despite some obvious disappointing decisions. Bitter pill is that we came into season with opportunity to have a great record - achilles heel was OL which has been an underachieving position for several years. Season will be easier to swallow if we beat SDSU. Look for better team next year with corrections and changes made that Holmoe alluded to. Given MWC and Independence - not a whole lot of choices about who we could play and SOS - had to take what we could get. This year showed the beginning of improved schedule of good teams. BTW - SJSU was for real this year as their coach just took a much improved step into coaching a program with good potential and visibility.

From my perspective, in a sense this post is an argument for the other side, because a couple of the losses - especially the ones you attribute to an uncertain QB situation or playing with a hurt QB - should have been wins. Its exactly the point that frustrates some of us. Some different decisions (not better play be the ones on the feild) could have put those games in the win column and opened the door for the title "phenomenal" to be attached to our head coach.

I personally give amateur players plenty of room to make mistakes. I give a little less room for a paid professional to do so. And I view some of Bronco's decisions lately to be pure mis-steps.
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Schmoe
northerncougar wrote:
northerncougar wrote:
northerncougar wrote:
Article by Harmon:



http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765617507/Former-BYU-players-insist-that-fans-dont-know-the-real-Bronco-Mendenhall.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



I have nothing more to say than a freakin Men. Fans have no Idea on what it is like to be the head coach at BYU. Bronco is doing a phenominal job.


I don't know what phenominal means for you, but If you are referring to how he is building and molding young men to be great men, I agree completely. If you are referring to how he is doing as a HC when it comes to win/loss record, not sure that word applies.


You mean as the fifth-winningest active head coach in the country? Yeah, I'd say it does apply. If you want to quibble about who those wins were against, that's fine, but his win/loss record is pretty phenomenal.


Sure, if you want to twist what I said into this. You know it wasn't but it makes your argument work a little better.



Come on man. Stay with the discussion.


Sure, if you want to try to backtrack and pretend that you didn't specifically say "WIN/LOSS RECORD." You know you chose the wrong thing about Bronco to pick on, but it makes your argument better to act like I'm the one "twisting" things.


Look, I know that this is hard for you to grasp but here it is: I said that the Win/Loss record doesn't show that he is phenomenal. That's all I said. I think he has done a very good job at times, and massively underachieved at other times. The past three years have been very poor when it comes to what should have been.



Fifth-winningest active head coach in the country sounds really good until you look at the teams BYU has beaten and has lost to. This year being a prime example.


Yes, so the win/loss record DOES show that he's phenomenal. The year to year schedule of who he beat might not. I know it's hard for you to grasp, but the win/loss record means just the numbers of wins and losses, and just looking at that, and comparing it to other coaches, Bronco does look phenomenal.
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Cougs_Rule
Ygridiron4ever wrote:
Remind you that apart from loss at home to OSU, all are other losses were to ranked teams on the road. With an uncertain QB situation - playing with hurt QB - we still were in most the games and should have won many. Still managed to salvage a season despite some obvious disappointing decisions. Bitter pill is that we came into season with opportunity to have a great record - achilles heel was OL which has been an underachieving position for several years. Season will be easier to swallow if we beat SDSU. Look for better team next year with corrections and changes made that Holmoe alluded to. Given MWC and Independence - not a whole lot of choices about who we could play and SOS - had to take what we could get. This year showed the beginning of improved schedule of good teams. BTW - SJSU was for real this year as their coach just took a much improved step into coaching a program with good potential and visibility.

From my perspective, in a sense this post is an argument for the other side, because a couple of the losses - especially the ones you attribute to an uncertain QB situation or playing with a hurt QB - should have been wins. Its exactly the point that frustrates some of us. Some different decisions (not better play be the ones on the feild) could have put those games in the win column and opened the door for the title "phenomenal" to be attached to our head coach.

I personally give amateur players plenty of room to make mistakes. I give a little less room for a paid professional to do so. And I view some of Bronco's decisions lately to be pure mis-steps.


Well said. Your "take out these losses and".....is just pure balderdash. I get losing to ND and am mildly pleased we were even in that game. But your little, "IF" theory breaks down after ND and OSU. Losses to Utah (3rd in a row) and BSU--both schools in a DOWN year and worst team either have fielded in multiple years, are pathetic data points that bring down the phenomenal rating to a "really solid" rating. Those losses were totally preventable. This pseudo-empower-the-players to decide who starts is pathetic. Be a parent, Bronco! Be in charge. It's your legacy you are farting away. Riley cemented his. Did you really need him to cement this teams and yours as well? This phenomenal Defense was also farted away and dishonored by a narcissistic, glory seeking disaster, that yes, while injured, was not in it for the team. He was in it for himself. How myopically in denial does a player have to be to think at 65% he was the best option????? Really?? With your Sr "buddy" Lark wasting away on the bench? If it were Munns, ok, I it. A 65% Rley might be better than Munns. Although its arguable that a 65% Riley on drugs had to be pretty close to as ineffective. Bt I can't blame him IF THAT WERE THE ONLY OPTON. Or an unprepared freshman or redshirt guy. But no, BYU had a well prepared Sr with a decent amount of talent and all you could do was beg to go in and turn it over AGAIN!!??? Riley you are an addict in denial. I don't find that glorious. Bronco, you are an enabling master/mentor to Riley and need to be careful not to let favorite players sell you down the river and ask/demand for exceptions to a fundamental rule--you don't practice, you don't play. COMPLETELY MADDENING! I can't wait till this season is over. I hope Bronco has learned his lesson. If Riley can't practice during bowl prep and they are giving Riley "snaps" (though not yet cleared by Drs) and Lark does all the prep and they decide to start Riley, and BYU loses? Bronco takes a huge, huge hit. As does Doman, who if Riley was forced on him, ought to leave.
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byucougar1
If I were Bronco, I would not divulge who was starting until game time so SDSU has to prepare for both of them. Internally provide Lark with majority of snaps - Riley gets healthy - can relieve Lark if he gets hurt or is ineffective.



Mars - UT was ranked - they were just rank (bad smelling).



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northerncougar
Mars wrote:
Remind you that apart from loss at home to OSU, all are other losses were to ranked teams on the road.

Utah

Boise State

SJSU



One of those is NOT ranked. None would be if BYU had won those games.


Losing to Utah when they end up with a losing record. Losing to BSU when an even semi-healthy QB is a win. Losing to Utah at home last year by 44 pts. Losing to SJSU, when they are good but very beatable. Losing to TX last year. Barely beating USU last year. Losing to TCU last year.



Losing to AF, FSU, USU, TCU and Utah the year before. I could go on.



No team and coach is going to win every game every year. But a phenomenal coach does better than this. Bronco is good, very good at times, but the phenomenal argument doesn't hold water.



Nice to see someone gets it.
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northerncougar
Schmoe wrote:

Look, I know that this is hard for you to grasp but here it is: I said that the Win/Loss record doesn't show that he is phenomenal. That's all I said. I think he has done a very good job at times, and massively underachieved at other times. The past three years have been very poor when it comes to what should have been.



Fifth-winningest active head coach in the country sounds really good until you look at the teams BYU has beaten and has lost to. This year being a prime example.


Yes, so the win/loss record DOES show that he's phenomenal. The year to year schedule of who he beat might not. I know it's hard for you to grasp, but the win/loss record means just the numbers of wins and losses, and just looking at that, and comparing it to other coaches, Bronco does look phenomenal.


I'm undefeated playing basketball against my 11 yr old. That means I'm a phenomenal basketball player.



I find your obsession with calling Bronco phenomenal amusing though. Whittingham's record is only a couple of games worse than Bronco's. Is he phenomenal too?
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