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Scenario: BYU 12-0 in 2012, misses a BCS Bowl Game...

by Mars · 11/29/2012

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Mars


10 BCS Bowl Game teams:

-6 conferences in 2012 with auto-bids (Alabama-Georgia winner, Stanford-UCLA, Nebraska-Wisconsin, Florida State-Georgia Tech, Kansas State or Oklahoma, Louisville or Rutgers).

-The Kent State-Northern Illinois winner will be 12-1 and ranked higher than the ACC champ. If they crack the Top 16 (they are behind UCLA, which should lose again to Stanford this week, but ahead of Boise State) they get an Auto-Bid.



That would leave 3 open spots. Who gets those 3 spots, given these 4 teams?:

*Notre Dame, 11-1

*Oregon, 11-1

*Florida, 11-1

*BYU, 12-0



Even if BYU were undefeated this year, a BCS bid would be no sure thing. Kinda wild to see an actual scenario where that is legitimately the case.
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SpiffCoug
Good thing we had bad QB play to help us lose five games so we didn't have to worry about this scenario.



Whew! Dodged a bullet with this one!
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Cougarfan87
Mars wrote:


10 BCS Bowl Game teams:

-6 conferences in 2012 with auto-bids (Alabama-Georgia winner, Stanford-UCLA, Nebraska-Wisconsin, Florida State-Georgia Tech, Kansas State or Oklahoma, Louisville or Rutgers).

-The Kent State-Northern Illinois winner will be 12-1 and ranked higher than the ACC champ. If they crack the Top 16 (they are behind UCLA, which should lose again to Stanford this week, but ahead of Boise State) they get an Auto-Bid.



That would leave 3 open spots. Who gets those 3 spots, given these 4 teams?:

*Notre Dame, 11-1

*Oregon, 11-1

*Florida, 11-1

*BYU, 12-0



Even if BYU were undefeated this year, a BCS bid would be no sure thing. Kinda wild to see an actual scenario where that is legitimately the case.


I am assuming the Notre Dame loss is because we beat them in this scenario? If that were the case, two SEC teams would be playing for the BCS title (Alabama and Florida).



Wouldn't 12-0 BYU be pushing that Kent-State Northern Illinois team back down at least a spot and out of the 16? We would have beaten a very highly ranked Notre Dame and pretty good Oregon State team. That would likely put us in the top 6 if undefeated.



Oops. Sorry. :~( I guess that makes the season more painful to realize that we would have been very highly ranked and in the BCS with a 12-0 record. :sulk:
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Cougs_Rule
SpiffCoug wrote:
Good thing we had bad QB play to help us lose five games so we didn't have to worry about this scenario.



Whew! Dodged a bullet with this one!


Doeth mine ears deceive me? Spiff, it must be bad if you are resorting to such disparaging. :D or am I missing something more TIC?
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rblack
If we were the only loss of an 11-1 Notre Dame team and we were the first loss of Oregon State, we would currently be in the top 5, if not the top 2 (and top 2 is highly likely). We would finish the year with 1 win over a current top 10 team, at least 3 wins over top 25 teams, and 6 wins over bowl eligible teams. We would get a BCS berth at the very least. National Championship bid is likely. In addition, if we had have finished the year 12-0, the Big 12 gets a ton of pressure to add us.

Unfortunately, we will never know.
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Cougarbib
rblack wrote:
If we were the only loss of an 11-1 Notre Dame team and we were the first loss of Oregon State, we would currently be in the top 5, if not the top 2 (and top 2 is highly likely). We would finish the year with 1 win over a current top 10 team, at least 3 wins over top 25 teams, and 6 wins over bowl eligible teams. We would get a BCS berth at the very least. National Championship bid is likely. In addition, if we had have finished the year 12-0, the Big 12 gets a ton of pressure to add us.

Unfortunately, we will never know.


Just wait till next year - again - if we go 12-0 or 13-0 depending on whether we schedule the extra game we get for traveling to Hawaii - we will be #1.



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rblack
We could go 12-0 on any given year, however, I'm not betting the farm on it. I just stick with, we are undefeated until we are not.
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SpiffCoug
Cougs_Rule wrote:
Good thing we had bad QB play to help us lose five games so we didn't have to worry about this scenario.



Whew! Dodged a bullet with this one!


Doeth mine ears deceive me? Spiff, it must be bad if you are resorting to such disparaging. :D or am I missing something more TIC?

Yeah. Definitely TIC.
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Mars
Cougarfan87 wrote:
I am assuming the Notre Dame loss is because we beat them in this scenario? If that were the case, two SEC teams would be playing for the BCS title (Alabama and Florida).



Wouldn't 12-0 BYU be pushing that Kent-State Northern Illinois team back down at least a spot and out of the 16? We would have beaten a very highly ranked Notre Dame and pretty good Oregon State team. That would likely put us in the top 6 if undefeated.

1- An Alabama-Florida BCS Championship game? Maybe, if Oregon or Kansas State weren't pushed up high enough by angry voters. But that takes away one more available spot (since I already wasn't counting Notre Dame's in this scenario).



2- Yes, but #15 Oregon State would also be pushed down a few spots with an additional loss.
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Mars
rblack wrote:
If we were the only loss of an 11-1 Notre Dame team and we were the first loss of Oregon State, we would currently be in the top 5... We would finish the year with 1 win over a current top 10 team, at least 3 wins over top 25 teams, and 6 wins over bowl eligible teams. We would get a BCS berth at the very least.

I'm just not sure. Maybe. 11-1 Alabama/Florida/Oregon/Kansas State/Notre Dame. You think BYU is ahead of 4 of those teams? Could we beat any of them out for an At-Large selection to, say, the Sugar Bowl in the South-east? Undefeated BYU is not worth as much money as 1-loss Florida or Notre Dame, IMO, if it's the bowl partners' choice.
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With this schedule, and the way the rest of the season played out, BYU would likely be playing for MNC if 12-0 IMO
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rblack
Mars wrote:
If we were the only loss of an 11-1 Notre Dame team and we were the first loss of Oregon State, we would currently be in the top 5... We would finish the year with 1 win over a current top 10 team, at least 3 wins over top 25 teams, and 6 wins over bowl eligible teams. We would get a BCS berth at the very least.

I'm just not sure. Maybe. 11-1 Alabama/Florida/Oregon/Kansas State/Notre Dame. You think BYU is ahead of 4 of those teams? Could we beat any of them out for an At-Large selection to, say, the Sugar Bowl in the South-east? Undefeated BYU is not worth as much money as 1-loss Florida or Notre Dame, IMO, if it's the bowl partners' choice.

After week 8 we would have been ranked no lower than 8, which was where Oregon State was ranked after they beat us. Oregon State was lower in votes received in week three than we were (before we lost to Utah). In week 9 South Carolina lost, so, and BYU (in our theoretical universe) would have beaten Notre Dame. BYU goes up to at least 6. In week 10 Florida loses, BYU goes up to 5. In week 11 LSU loses, BYU goes up to 4. In week 12 Alabama loses, for the purpose of our arguement, BYU stays the same. In week 13 Oregon and K State lose, BYU goes up to at least 3 (probably 2). Assuming that BYU is only 3 when the SEC championship game happens, BYU probably goes up after the game because 1 and 2 would be playing each other, each with 1 loss. The likelyhood is that BYU would have been ranked 1 or 2 when it was all said and done.
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Mars
rblack wrote:
After week 8 we would have been ranked no lower than 8, which was where Oregon State was ranked after they beat us. Oregon State was lower in votes received in week three than we were (before we lost to Utah). In week 9 South Carolina lost, so, and BYU (in our theoretical universe) would have beaten Notre Dame. BYU goes up to at least 6. In week 10 Florida loses, BYU goes up to 5. In week 11 LSU loses, BYU goes up to 4. In week 12 Alabama loses, for the purpose of our arguement, BYU stays the same. In week 13 Oregon and K State lose, BYU goes up to at least 3 (probably 2). Assuming that BYU is only 3 when the SEC championship game happens, BYU probably goes up after the game because 1 and 2 would be playing each other, each with 1 loss. The likelyhood is that BYU would have been ranked 1 or 2 when it was all said and done.

Your argument is strong, and I tend to agree with it. But I also think that the rankings might look like 1-Bama, 2-Florida, 3-Oregon, 4-KSU, 5-BYU, 6-Notre Dame.
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