ACC on the brink?

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scott715 wrote:
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In all of the conference consolidation that has gone on for the past 3-4 years it has always seemed that eventually BIG EAST would get relegated to a mid-major status - which has now happened and that if conferences all push out to 16 members - ACC or BIG 12 would also fall out.



BIG 12 seemed dead not long ago - made a huge comeback. Now we may see BIG 12 and ACC in a real dogfight with each other unless both wink at each other and stay smaller or promote some wannabes into the fold.



If they do go after each other - who WINS?

Maybe Everbody loses.



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Now the rumor is the Big East dissolving.

scott715 wrote:
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Now the rumor is the Big East dissolving.

Big East-East and C-USA are on a collision course as are Big East-West and MWC. There will be some consolidation here.



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scott715 wrote:
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Now the rumor is the Big East dissolving.

I'm surprised the Big East's basketball only schools--Marquette, Georgetown, St. John's, Seton Hall, Villanova, etc.--haven't decided to form their own basketball league. They're all private schools with solid basketball reputations. They could pull a few of the private Atlantic 10 schools like Butler, Xavier, St. Louis, St. Joseph's, and St. Bonaventure over and form a great basketball conference. Football has so much power in conference decisions, the basketball only schools have to be feeling disgruntled.

Mingjai wrote:

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Now the rumor is the Big East dissolving.

I'm surprised the Big East's basketball only schools--Marquette, Georgetown, St. John's, Seton Hall, Villanova, etc.--haven't decided to form their own basketball league. They're all private schools with solid basketball reputations. They could pull a few of the private Atlantic 10 schools like Butler, Xavier, St. Louis, St. Joseph's, and St. Bonaventure over and form a great basketball conference. Football has so much power in conference decisions, the basketball only schools have to be feeling disgruntled.

Think Bigger - divisions or regions or quadrants - pull WCC into it. Pull ND into it.



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Cougarbib wrote:

scott715 wrote:
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/22/report-big-east-schools-may-vote-to-dissolve-league/



Now the rumor is the Big East dissolving.

I'm surprised the Big East's basketball only schools--Marquette, Georgetown, St. John's, Seton Hall, Villanova, etc.--haven't decided to form their own basketball league. They're all private schools with solid basketball reputations. They could pull a few of the private Atlantic 10 schools like Butler, Xavier, St. Louis, St. Joseph's, and St. Bonaventure over and form a great basketball conference. Football has so much power in conference decisions, the basketball only schools have to be feeling disgruntled.

Think Bigger - divisions or regions or quadrants - pull WCC into it. Pull ND into it.



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No, that would be too big. The Big East has 7 basketball members (not counting ND) so they could add 3-5 A10 schools and be a good size.



What I would like to see is a scheduling agreement between that conference and their western private-school counterparts in the WCC. Something similar to the ACC/Big Ten Challenge.

I'm not sure who's left in the Big Least but now Lousyville will be part of the ACC.



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Go Cougars! Stay away from the Big Least!!!



L Hatton

Louisville, KY

Louisville's move to the ACC makes me think it is on more solid footing than the article at the beginning of this thread suggests.



I still think the Big Ten and SEC could raid Georgia Tech and some of the Virginia and North Carolina schools from the ACC. If that happens, the ACC becomes the old Big East football schools plus Duke, Wake, FSU, and Clemson. Then, it will be on between the ACC and the Big 12; and I think the Big 12 will win.

This is all just ludicrous. It's the bigger bears eating up all the smaller ones until there are only a few fat bears left. It amazes me that it is all left to happen too, totally driven by those that have. It just seemed like the ACC had positioned itself well and then they get raped and plundered just like the BE? Wow.



From the standpoint of BYU, at least we are independent and maybe we have issues with scheduling, but we can stand alone if we have to. Maybe we'll be forced eventually to join even the MWC or not have any games in late part of season, but we're not there yet and team that could be left out of conferences, like Syracuse, Pitt, etc. will be more taxed to find a solution because they don't have a BYUtv.

YNot wrote:
Louisville's move to the ACC makes me think it is on more solid footing than the article at the beginning of this thread suggests.



I still think the Big Ten and SEC could raid Georgia Tech and some of the Virginia and North Carolina schools from the ACC. If that happens, the ACC becomes the old Big East football schools plus Duke, Wake, FSU, and Clemson. Then, it will be on between the ACC and the Big 12; and I think the Big 12 will win.

The Big 12 has already proven it can take any Big East school it wants and could poach some ACC teams. The only way ACC wins a slugfest with The Big 12 is if Texas and Okie leave for PAC or SEC.



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I wonder how Notre Dame now feels after having commited to the ACC?



I guess I'm most shocked by why the ACC teams would feel the need to bolt the ACC when they had strengthened themselves. Okay, I understand the lure of the SEC, but they need to stay fast and stay calm.

EM_Puma wrote:
I wonder how Notre Dame now feels after having commited to the ACC?



I guess I'm most shocked by why the ACC teams would feel the need to bolt the ACC when they had strengthened themselves. Okay, I understand the lure of the SEC, but they need to stay fast and stay calm.

Since ND can pack up their tent and go anywhere they want anytime they want, I would imagine that they are not losing 1 minute of sleep over this. Might be a little annoyed by it. It is still better than Big East and even if The ACC continues to get poached, The ACC will keep poaching the Big East.



The rumors of Big 10 going to 17 tell me that 18 is a placeholder for ND. But ND would have to fully join and give up its big brother status - and that is why it has not joined The Big 10 long ago.



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EM_Puma wrote:
I wonder how Notre Dame now feels after having commited to the ACC?



I guess I'm most shocked by why the ACC teams would feel the need to bolt the ACC when they had strengthened themselves. Okay, I understand the lure of the SEC, but they need to stay fast and stay calm.

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-Big XII is going nowhere for the next 13 years. The grant of TV rights was absolute genius to create stability.



-Supposedly the Big XII and SEC have a handshake agreement that they will not expand within their own states--which the SEC wouldn't do anyway. Why reduce the recruiting edge for instate recruits? If FSU and Miami are in the SEC, Florida can no longer say, come to Florida so you can play in the SEC. Any SEC expansion will not be in a state a current SEC team plays (which is what made Texas A&M and Missouri good pick ups).



So my prediction is that SEC, when it decides it needs to go to 16, will take NC State for the North Carolina Market, and Virginia Tech for the DC market (though not in DC, there are tons of VT fans in the DC area).



Big XII will eventually take Florida State, Georgia Tech, and Clemson, as that will expand recruiting into the recruiting hotbeds of Florida, Georgia and South Carolina. The question is, what other three teams will the Big XII pick up, if and when it decides to expand? They have a new TV deal, so there is no real need to expand right now. Plus, since the SEC won't touch FSU, GT, or Clemson, and the Big 10 is set, there really isn't any place for them to go until the Big XII feels like expanding. I don't see it happening until the new playoff results in them being left out because they don't have a conference championship game.



The other big question is who is the Pac XII going to pick up to get to 16, or do they need to get to 16? They can't have any Big XII members for 13 years--at least the TV rights would stay with the remaining Big XII members which undercuts any value in negotiating new TV rights. Either the Pac XII stands pat at 12, or they have to "lower their standards" to let in some former MWC teams. I just don't see that happening. To quote the Big XII commissioner, no one has proven how bigger is better. Without additional TV revenue, there is no need for the Pac 12 to improve.



When the dust settles, there will be four big conferences (SEC, Big XII, Big 10, and Pac 12), and a bunch of also rans. I don't see four viable options for the PAC XII to get to 16, so they will cling to their superiority as the reason they remain at 12 teams. The other three big conferences will be at 16, which means BYU's only chance will be as one of the other three needed for the Big XII to get to 16--if and when they decide to go to 16. Again, there is no hurry to do this since the prime pickings aren't going anywhere.



Looks like independence was a great move in to secure a good TV deal considering that none of the also ran conferences will have any bargaining power. Sidenote--anyone else notice how the Big 10's logo actually looks very much like Big 16?

Cougarfan87 wrote:
-Big XII is going nowhere for the next 13 years. The grant of TV rights was absolute genius to create stability.



-Supposedly the Big XII and SEC have a handshake agreement that they will not expand within their own states--which the SEC wouldn't do anyway. Why reduce the recruiting edge for instate recruits? If FSU and Miami are in the SEC, Florida can no longer say, come to Florida so you can play in the SEC. Any SEC expansion will not be in a state a current SEC team plays (which is what made Texas A&M and Missouri good pick ups).



So my prediction is that SEC, when it decides it needs to go to 16, will take NC State for the North Carolina Market, and Virginia Tech for the DC market (though not in DC, there are tons of VT fans in the DC area).



Big XII will eventually take Florida State, Georgia Tech, and Clemson, as that will expand recruiting into the recruiting hotbeds of Florida, Georgia and South Carolina. The question is, what other three teams will the Big XII pick up, if and when it decides to expand? They have a new TV deal, so there is no real need to expand right now. Plus, since the SEC won't touch FSU, GT, or Clemson, and the Big 10 is set, there really isn't any place for them to go until the Big XII feels like expanding. I don't see it happening until the new playoff results in them being left out because they don't have a conference championship game.



The other big question is who is the Pac XII going to pick up to get to 16, or do they need to get to 16? They can't have any Big XII members for 13 years--at least the TV rights would stay with the remaining Big XII members which undercuts any value in negotiating new TV rights. Either the Pac XII stands pat at 12, or they have to "lower their standards" to let in some former MWC teams. I just don't see that happening. To quote the Big XII commissioner, no one has proven how bigger is better. Without additional TV revenue, there is no need for the Pac 12 to improve.



When the dust settles, there will be four big conferences (SEC, Big XII, Big 10, and Pac 12), and a bunch of also rans. I don't see four viable options for the PAC XII to get to 16, so they will cling to their superiority as the reason they remain at 12 teams. The other three big conferences will be at 16, which means BYU's only chance will be as one of the other three needed for the Big XII to get to 16--if and when they decide to go to 16. Again, there is no hurry to do this since the prime pickings aren't going anywhere.



Looks like independence was a great move in to secure a good TV deal considering that none of the also ran conferences will have any bargaining power. Sidenote--anyone else notice how the Big 10's logo actually looks very much like Big 16?

Good analysis.

So we will be left with the final four?

Cougarfan87 wrote:
-Big XII is going nowhere for the next 13 years. The grant of TV rights was absolute genius to create stability.



-Supposedly the Big XII and SEC have a handshake agreement that they will not expand within their own states--which the SEC wouldn't do anyway. Why reduce the recruiting edge for instate recruits? If FSU and Miami are in the SEC, Florida can no longer say, come to Florida so you can play in the SEC. Any SEC expansion will not be in a state a current SEC team plays (which is what made Texas A&M and Missouri good pick ups).



So my prediction is that SEC, when it decides it needs to go to 16, will take NC State for the North Carolina Market, and Virginia Tech for the DC market (though not in DC, there are tons of VT fans in the DC area).



Big XII will eventually take Florida State, Georgia Tech, and Clemson, as that will expand recruiting into the recruiting hotbeds of Florida, Georgia and South Carolina. The question is, what other three teams will the Big XII pick up, if and when it decides to expand? They have a new TV deal, so there is no real need to expand right now. Plus, since the SEC won't touch FSU, GT, or Clemson, and the Big 10 is set, there really isn't any place for them to go until the Big XII feels like expanding. I don't see it happening until the new playoff results in them being left out because they don't have a conference championship game.

Since the SEC won't take Florida State, Georgia Tech, and Clemson, I guess the Big 12's urgency could come down to how bad it wants potential SEC target Virginia Tech. VTech provides a geographic rival for West Virginia and is a consistent football power. If the Big 12 takes those 4 schools, it would be set at 14 and the SEC would probably stand pat at 14. I don't really see either conference having a strong desire for any of the 4 NC schools.

Perhaps the former Big East teams will join the ACC left overs in the ACC.

Big Ten has its eyes on North Carolina, Virginia, and believe it or not Georgia. Do not be surprised at all if Georgia Tech ends up in the Big Ten! It is a great school that would fit in well with the Big Ten academia. And it brings the Atlanta market. Add Virginia or North Carolina as a travel partner and Jim Delaney would have strengthened the Big Ten media footprint and utterly destroyed the ACC.



SEC then grabs NC State and VTech and the ACC is basically a goner. The Big 12 will pickup whatever leftover pieces it wants (FSU, Clemson...and perhaps a partial Notre Dame?) Big East and ACC will become synonymous and the superconferences will be alive and well. Here's to hoping that the Big 12 calls BYU's number in its road to superconferencedom.