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by Mars · 10/29/2012

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frdbtr
Mars wrote:


Here is video of Bronco criticizing Riley and explaining how Nelson's leash has become much shorter:



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I have been saying since day 1 that what bronco says in the media and what happens behind closed doors are 2 different things. Bronco commenting on Riley's leash in the media means that his frustration level for it is higher than fans supposed. Which means that thier trust in Lark has to be worse than fans immaginations can make it as well since they continue to play a guy who has a knack for gift wrapping td's to the other team.
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Mars
frdbtr wrote:
I have been saying since day 1 that what bronco says in the media and what happens behind closed doors are 2 different things. Bronco commenting on Riley's leash in the media means that his frustration level for it is higher than fans supposed. Which means that thier trust in Lark has to be worse than fans immaginations can make it as well since they continue to play a guy who has a knack for gift wrapping td's to the other team.

Which is funny, because Bronco has praised Lark to the media, and Lark has looked much better is short bursts this season on the field than Nelson has.
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frdbtr
Mars wrote:
I have been saying since day 1 that what bronco says in the media and what happens behind closed doors are 2 different things. Bronco commenting on Riley's leash in the media means that his frustration level for it is higher than fans supposed. Which means that thier trust in Lark has to be worse than fans immaginations can make it as well since they continue to play a guy who has a knack for gift wrapping td's to the other team.

Which is funny, because Bronco has praised Lark to the media, and Lark has looked much better is short bursts this season on the field than Nelson has.


Bronco will never have anything but praise in the media for one of his players. Lark looked decent in the Weber state game and threw a beautiful pass to pick up the final 1st down against GT, other than that we have nothing to go on. The coaches have a much better handle on the players due to practice than anyone outside the team has. I don't know why they don't have faith in Lark but they demoted him for a freshman that had only been off a mission for a couple of months so there has to be something there.
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SpiffCoug
It's just too bad that it took a shortened leash to convince a guy that playing a turnover-prone style may not be the most conducive to winning the most football games.
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Mars


Lark did outperform Nelson one-half of one off-season BYU camp though...



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jonnylingo
SpiffCoug wrote:
It's just too bad that it took a shortened leash to convince a guy that playing a turnover-prone style may not be the most conducive to winning the most football games.


Again, Bronco waits WAY too long before he puts his foot down and makes it clear. i was really hoping he would have done this before the season started. that is what riley needed to learn more than anything.



it was clear he was our best qb given we put all our eggs in his basket. we needed him to stay healthy. instead of playing smart he injured himself in game two. he also refused to let plays die which lead to costly turnovers and therefore games.



it is painfully obvious that with better coaches we would have had a wonderful season. as bad as riley is if bronco had done this earlier it could have changed the season.



i also love how frdbtr comes to the conclusion that bronco saying this somehow is evidence that lark is not good. that is pure gold right there.
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Cougs_Rule
frdbtr wrote:


Here is video of Bronco criticizing Riley and explaining how Nelson's leash has become much shorter:



http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsbyusports/55162509-65/mendenhall-41-17-bronco-byu.html.csp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


I have been saying since day 1 that what bronco says in the media and what happens behind closed doors are 2 different things. Bronco commenting on Riley's leash in the media means that his frustration level for it is higher than fans supposed. Which means that thier trust in Lark has to be worse than fans immaginations can make it as well since they continue to play a guy who has a knack for gift wrapping td's to the other team.


What are you saying "IT" is? Aside from making no sense at all, you make a totally erroneous conclusion about Lark.



What this interview is telling me, is that, Bronco has finally started to awaken from his dream, Riley in Wonderland! It has only taken four losses and almost an entire season for him to figure out that Riley, over a season is going to throw more Pics than TDs and more pick-sixes than any other qb in modern BYU history.

What it tells me is that Bronco is starting to Take back over this team from the false alpha dog, named Riley, and start to man up and get over his man-crush. He got on Riley and said, start throwing the ball away when necessary or you will sit. Or maybe TH pulled Bronco aside and told him his Emperors new clothes were really embarrassing BYU and ESPN and he needed a new wardrobe. Or maybe Sister Bronco said, "Honey, I love Riley to. But you just got to get over him. You have to Quit him, if he doesn't perform."



The question is really, whether or not Bronco is giving lip service or will in fact put in Lark if Riley is stinking it up. Of course how hard is that now that the season is practically over and it's Rleys and Larks last few games. Big whoop Bronco. Like that is hard.



What this tells me, is that Buckin Bronco ain't goin to give in to nobody's opinion of him or the situation, not fans, not media, not statistics (except 3/4 seasons worth). He will come to the realization when he is good and ready. He will quit Riley when he is good and ready--especially now that we have the three easy, and most winnable, games of the year.



I have no idea what you are ASSUMING this means about Lark. I see no connection there at all. Maybe Lark just didn't want to do the "run-forest-run" routine when Riley was finally deemed to injured to play afterall, and Taysom had no problem taking off at any time, including victory formation, so he got the nod. But there is more to the story with Lark. And we haven't heard it yet.
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stgeorgefan
Lark-Gate... The scandal we might never get the details on.....



When I saw the title of the thread "Bronco does the unthinkable" many thoughts came to mind:



Bronco benches RN

Bronco demotes BD

Bronco admits he was wrong about riley

Bronco believes talent is more important than Grit

Bronco tells the media " I think I over use the word Higher Level, and by the way were going to win this next game for the fans"
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Cougs_Rule
And if you need more proof, check out what Wrubell is tweeting right now!!

I'd bet money that Holmoe sat down with Bronco this week and set a pretty clear expectation. Why else would Bronco spend what he said was "overtime" this past week prepping for GT?? Wwwhhhaaaatttt???? Against the Offensive you scheme you understand best?? Something doesn't jive.

Holmoe laid down the law this week and said get over Riley, he sucks, "and he would tell you that himself."
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frdbtr
dmcougar wrote:
And if you need more proof, check out what Wrubell is tweeting right now!!

I'd bet money that Holmoe sat down with Bronco this week and set a pretty clear expectation. Why else would Bronco spend what he said was "overtime" this past week prepping for GT?? Wwwhhhaaaatttt???? Against the Offensive you scheme you understand best?? Something doesn't jive.

Holmoe laid down the law this week and said get over Riley, he sucks, "and he would tell you that himself."


Really, did you ask him?
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frdbtr
jonnylingo wrote:
It's just too bad that it took a shortened leash to convince a guy that playing a turnover-prone style may not be the most conducive to winning the most football games.


Again, Bronco waits WAY too long before he puts his foot down and makes it clear. i was really hoping he would have done this before the season started. that is what riley needed to learn more than anything.



it was clear he was our best qb given we put all our eggs in his basket. we needed him to stay healthy. instead of playing smart he injured himself in game two. he also refused to let plays die which lead to costly turnovers and therefore games.



it is painfully obvious that with better coaches we would have had a wonderful season. as bad as riley is if bronco had done this earlier it could have changed the season.



i also love how frdbtr comes to the conclusion that bronco saying this somehow is evidence that lark is not good. that is pure gold right there.


How do you know that behind closed doors, they haven't been telling Riley to stop turning the ball over? I never said that Lark isn't good, I said that for some reason even with Riley's struggles this year, the coaches don't have enough confidence in him to put Lark in. In fact instead of putting him into the utah game, the demoted him to 3rd string the next weekend behind a freshman QB that just got of a mish a few months before. I don't know what is going on, I am just drawing conclusions from what I am seeing, just like all of the rest of you who are calling my conclusions ridiculous.
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Cougs_Rule
Have you been sniffing glue with Bib at preschool today? Read the tweets. How much do you have to guess about after hearing the TH interview? How often does TH make comments during the season about players or the coaches? Yes, its a speculation. I would think that would be pretty obvious.
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frdbtr
dmcougar wrote:
Have you been sniffing glue with Bib at preschool today? Read the tweets. How much do you have to guess about after hearing the TH interview? How often does TH make comments during the season about players or the coaches? Yes, its a speculation. I would think that would be pretty obvious.


Holmoe: "Bronco and I talk a lot about the season as it goes on...and I can say he has a good feel for the things that he needs to do."



Hmmmmm. That doesn't sound like a guy who layed down the law with his FB head coach, sounds like he said that Bronco already has a handle on our teams shortcomings and is working to correct them.
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Gunk
I get the sense Bronco starts off giving his players a "long" leash and then reigns it in when necessary. It should probably be the other way around. Short leash and lengthen it when necessary.
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Cougs_Rule
frdbtr wrote:
SpiffCoug wrote:
It's just too bad that it took a shortened leash to convince a guy that playing a turnover-prone style may not be the most conducive to winning the most football games.


Again, Bronco waits WAY too long before he puts his foot down and makes it clear. i was really hoping he would have done this before the season started. that is what riley needed to learn more than anything.



it was clear he was our best qb given we put all our eggs in his basket. we needed him to stay healthy. instead of playing smart he injured himself in game two. he also refused to let plays die which lead to costly turnovers and therefore games.



it is painfully obvious that with better coaches we would have had a wonderful season. as bad as riley is if bronco had done this earlier it could have changed the season.



i also love how frdbtr comes to the conclusion that bronco saying this somehow is evidence that lark is not good. that is pure gold right there.


How do you know that behind closed doors, they haven't been telling Riley to stop turning the ball over? I never said that Lark isn't good, I said that for some reason even with Riley's struggles this year, the coaches don't have enough confidence in him to put Lark in. In fact instead of putting him into the utah game, the demoted him to 3rd string the next weekend behind a freshman QB that just got of a mish a few months before. I don't know what is going on, I am just drawing conclusions from what I am seeing, just like all of the rest of you who are calling my conclusions ridiculous.


Yes, I do think they told Riley to stop turning the ball over and to throw it away if the play was dead rather than get reckless. And I think they told him to do that or we will yank you. Oh many times have we seen Riley throw the ball away this year, or ever for that matter. He many times did he do it vs GT? That's like a 300% improvement. You think Riley was going to go back on his "I'm not changing the way I play" attitude? NO WAY!
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frdbtr
dmcougar wrote:
jonnylingo wrote:
It's just too bad that it took a shortened leash to convince a guy that playing a turnover-prone style may not be the most conducive to winning the most football games.


Again, Bronco waits WAY too long before he puts his foot down and makes it clear. i was really hoping he would have done this before the season started. that is what riley needed to learn more than anything.



it was clear he was our best qb given we put all our eggs in his basket. we needed him to stay healthy. instead of playing smart he injured himself in game two. he also refused to let plays die which lead to costly turnovers and therefore games.



it is painfully obvious that with better coaches we would have had a wonderful season. as bad as riley is if bronco had done this earlier it could have changed the season.



i also love how frdbtr comes to the conclusion that bronco saying this somehow is evidence that lark is not good. that is pure gold right there.


How do you know that behind closed doors, they haven't been telling Riley to stop turning the ball over? I never said that Lark isn't good, I said that for some reason even with Riley's struggles this year, the coaches don't have enough confidence in him to put Lark in. In fact instead of putting him into the utah game, the demoted him to 3rd string the next weekend behind a freshman QB that just got of a mish a few months before. I don't know what is going on, I am just drawing conclusions from what I am seeing, just like all of the rest of you who are calling my conclusions ridiculous.


Yes, I do think they told Riley to stop turning the ball over and to throw it away if the play was dead rather than get reckless. And I think they told him to do that or we will yank you. Oh many times have we seen Riley throw the ball away this year, or ever for that matter. He many times did he do it vs GT? That's like a 300% improvement. You think Riley was going to go back on his "I'm not changing the way I play" attitude? NO WAY!


Unless you are part of the coaching staff, neither you nor I know what has been said. But I can assure you that if Bronco mentioned his threshold for those turnovers isn't what it used to be that Riley has been told he needs to clean it up. It sounds like from what Bronco said, if Riley didn't play better in the next series, we would have seen a QB change.
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Cougs_Rule
Frdbtr, since you are the king of interpreting coach speak and double speak, why don't You render an interpretation. TH isn't going to throw BM under the bus completely, but rest assured he is sending a MSG to the donors, afew of which he has certainly heard from, that the two "visit often." And that he, TH has exercised his influence. But how often do you hear a AD criticize a player openly, notwithstanding his positive spins on it?
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frdbtr
dmcougar wrote:
Frdbtr, since you are the king of interpreting coach speak and double speak, why don't You render an interpretation. TH isn't going to throw BM under the bus completely, but rest assured he is sending a MSG to the donors, afew of which he has certainly heard from, that the two "visit often." And that he, TH has exercised his influence. But how often do you hear a AD criticize a player openly, notwithstanding his positive spins on it?


If he is talking to boosters, I am sure he is just saying "I talk to bronco and he knows what he is doing"
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Gunk
TH has labored quite intensly over the last few years to get BYU to where we are now. The table of greatness is set and Riley with Bronco's mismanagment is pulling the table cloth out from underneath.



We've got our worst QB in a long time at the helm and a OC barely out of diapers. I'm sure Bronco had to do some selling on those, particularly the OC, and now they're ruining all of TH's work, leaving noteriety and millions on the table from BYU.



If TH wasn't meeting with Bronco and flexing his muscles a bit even down to specific players, I'd be concerned about the future of BYU on a much deeper level.
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