Warning Signs

Our offense may not be the nitro-fueled juggernaut the first half against Wazzou led us to believe.



Here are some sobering stats now that we have two weeks of game play to look at:



BYU (FBS playing at home) points v. Wazzou: 30

EWU (FCS playing away) points v. Wazzou: 20



BYU (FBS playing at home) total yards v. Wazzou: 426 yds

EWU (FCS playing away) total yards v. Wazzou: 469 yds



BYU (FBS playing at home) rushing v. Wazzou: 123 yds

EWU (FCS playing away) rushing v. Wazzou: 90 yds



BYU (FBS playing at home) passing v. Wazzou: 303 yds

EWU (FCS playing away) passing v. Wazzou: 379 yds



BYU (at home) points v. Weber St: 45

Fresno St (at home) points v. Weber St: 37



BYU (at home) total yards v. Weber St: 532 yds

Fresno St (at home) total yards v. Weber St: 515 yds



BYU (at home) rushing v. Weber St: 225 yds

Fresno St (at home) rushing v. Weber St: 217 yds



BYU (at home) passing v. Weber St: 307 yds

Fresno St (at home) passing v. Weber St: 298 yds



So the comparative analysis shows our offense is slightly better than Eastern Washington, and on about a par with Fresno State (who just got slobber-knocked by Oregon). The difference in points scored between BYU and Fresno State can be attributed to the better starting field position BYU got by virtue of a better defense.



Here's hoping the lackluster performance by this offense is a result of only running about 20 different plays in an attempt to keep the balance of the playbook under wraps until Utah. But when your offense can't run out of the spread formation it uses for more than 75% of its snaps, that should be a huge warning sign. My concern with Doman from the beginning was his ability as a quarterback who only ever worked with quarterbacks to develop a playbook that was sound on blocking schemes for the guys in the trenches. BYU has yet to demonstrate under Doman they can consistently run the ball effectively when the outcome is in question--and this season they've struggled to do it against two teams who should be very vulnerable to the run.

Argument about how good these FCs teams and Fresno State are in 3 - 2 - 1...



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Ya, but Sno, we were playing super conservative and weren't opening up the play book so as not to give Utah any scouting material.



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This doesn't surprise me, or worry me, too much. Our team this year will succeed with a decent offense and a stellar defense.

snoscythe wrote:
Our offense may not be the nitro-fueled juggernaut the first half against Wazzou led us to believe.



Here are some sobering stats now that we have two weeks of game play to look at:



BYU (FBS playing at home) points v. Wazzou: 30

EWU (FCS playing away) points v. Wazzou: 20



BYU (FBS playing at home) total yards v. Wazzou: 426 yds

EWU (FCS playing away) total yards v. Wazzou: 469 yds



BYU (FBS playing at home) rushing v. Wazzou: 123 yds

EWU (FCS playing away) rushing v. Wazzou: 90 yds



BYU (FBS playing at home) passing v. Wazzou: 303 yds

EWU (FCS playing away) passing v. Wazzou: 379 yds



BYU (at home) points v. Weber St: 45

Fresno St (at home) points v. Weber St: 37



BYU (at home) total yards v. Weber St: 532 yds

Fresno St (at home) total yards v. Weber St: 515 yds



BYU (at home) rushing v. Weber St: 225 yds

Fresno St (at home) rushing v. Weber St: 217 yds



BYU (at home) passing v. Weber St: 307 yds

Fresno St (at home) passing v. Weber St: 298 yds



So the comparative analysis shows our offense is slightly better than Eastern Washington, and on about a par with Fresno State (who just got slobber-knocked by Oregon). The difference in points scored between BYU and Fresno State can be attributed to the better starting field position BYU got by virtue of a better defense.



Here's hoping the lackluster performance by this offense is a result of only running about 20 different plays in an attempt to keep the balance of the playbook under wraps until Utah. But when your offense can't run out of the spread formation it uses for more than 75% of its snaps, that should be a huge warning sign. My concern with Doman from the beginning was his ability as a quarterback who only ever worked with quarterbacks to develop a playbook that was sound on blocking schemes for the guys in the trenches. BYU has yet to demonstrate under Doman they can consistently run the ball effectively when the outcome is in question--and this season they've struggled to do it against two teams who should be very vulnerable to the run.

I think the data suggests our offense is slightly better than both - even with the brakes on late in the game. And that is about what I expected going into the season. We may improve.



I think BYU defense is way better than either of these teams until we start putting in the reserves. Special teams has been pretty solid.



We are not an elite team. Rarely are. This will be a solid team - barring untimely injury. Probably 8-4 or better vs a very respectable schedule.

Thanks for the stats. Always better than conjecture and opinion. AND, who has claimed BYU would have a juggernaut offense? With average Oline and well, i'll stop there, these stats seem fitting with what I thought. Bronco wouldn't allow byu to score 60 but they should have and could have vs weber. But again, limited playbook and players not getting totally hyped for weber and yes, looking ahead to Utah--solid game.

Schmoe wrote:
This doesn't surprise me, or worry me, too much. Our team this year will succeed with a decent offense and a stellar defense.

Defense is amazing. I fear Offense may be below average for a BYU offense.



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byutx wrote:

This doesn't surprise me, or worry me, too much. Our team this year will succeed with a decent offense and a stellar defense.

Defense is amazing. I fear Offense may be below average for a BYU offense.



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Offense is below average for BYU right now. May improve with experience. But to answer a previous poster about who said it would be stellar -



Just the fans that bought into hype about slimmer, trimmer, better-conditioned OL, Apo being as dominant as Hoffman, Alisa being a mini Unga, and Pritchard being the 2nd Coming of Manase Tonga. They all were relatively unproven and remain so. Patience may be a virtue - gonna take some time.



We did get some pleasant surprises - Friel, Ridley, our QB turned wide receiver, etc. but those pleasant surprises only partially offset Apo being injured again and OL and RBs struggling.

Not sold on offense - but keep in mind we have not had our tandem of Apo, Hoffman, Falslev and Friel play an entire game together. Hoffman out early in WSU Cougar game, Apo didn't play against Weber State. We are also playing lots of newcomers which demonstrates good depth but not blow out scores. Mahina, Wilson, Holt, Friel all saw time on the field and caught passes - Wilson played very well as did the other TEs except for the holding calls but Friel was just trying to manhandle LB and DBs - better technique, footwork and less tackling and arm holding required.



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Keep in mind that last year our first four games showed that we averaged 14 point on offense and gave up slightly more on defense. We have exceeded that do date - nothing to brag about but at least better than last year. Real testing ground to see how we stack up is UT and BSU.



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put me in the our offense is mediocre category.



running backs still look average. oline looks below average and our quarterback has serious limitations and is turnover prone.



they are still better than utah's offense. this game and the bsu game are going to be about turnovers. utah state won this weekend because the times utah knocked the ball out utah state happened to come back up with it. it could have easily gone the other way. we need to avoid turnovers if we are going to win.



riley will decide if we win this saturday or not. if he avoids turnovers i am pretty confident that we will win.

BlueIsBetter wrote:
Argument about how good these FCs teams and Fresno State are in 3 - 2 - 1...



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I wouldn't argue that these FCS teams are actually good (EWU does have Kyle Padron as their QB, though), but I would argue that that games against FCS teams aren't terribly efficient barometers for anything. Looking at the stat sheet, it appears Fresno played their starters for all four quarters against Weber. BYU played pretty much everybody on the roster at some point.



I'm worried about the offense as it concerns the O-line, like pretty much everyone else. But I don't think there's enough stats out there to make any hard conclusions about where BYU's offense ranks.

I think we are jumping to a bunch of conclusions based on too little data.

I thought this would be in reference to our being ranked and Utah is not AND our being a 3 point favorite. I've wanted to be the underdog unranked team this year.

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Hard to really say, but what is clear is that our interior Oline still sucks. Best runs are outside the tackles. We get stuffed up the middle. Utah will own the middle, so expect us to attack their flanks, both pass and run.



We shut it down on O two Ames in a row, while EWU kept throwing trying to win a close game. Apples and oranges.

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We will be 2-2 in 11 days because Riley is average at his best. We are not good on offense this year. What I have been saying all off season. Utah will win this game and will have a losing record in the Pac12.



8-4 is not a respectable season. 8-4 sucks with this schedule. After watching USU Friday and OSU yesterday, I think 6-6 is more likely this year.



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Don't heed the warning signs. BYU has been using these first two games to work out the kinks for Saturday.

Don't go near any tall buildings or bridges any time soon, you might be tempted to leap. Season's already over????



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