Will the NITRO run out of gas?

Nitrous Oxide is an extraordinarily high octane fuel used for short distances and not intended to be used over long distances. If run too much it can burn up engine parts and risk blowing up an engine.



I liked the hurry up offense. But I'm cautious and interested to see how "the nitro" works out. It seemed effective and was right on the edge of chaos with its frenetic pace. The wsu defense couldnt keep up.

But is it smoke and mirrors? It seemed to work, but slow things down and I wonder how effective this offense works. Will our Oline keep up or runout of breath? Can our O substitute more effectively than the opposing defense can?

Interested in your thoughts.

It sure has worked well for Oregon, and they very rarely slow things down.



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I have seen no reason why it can't keep working, so I'll keep believing that it will until there's evidence to the contrary.

Schmoe wrote:
I have seen no reason why it can't keep working, so I'll keep believing that it will until there's evidence to the contrary.

Agreed. It works well precisely because there's nothing to plan for. The plays are simple, just executed faster so the D doesn't have enough time to get ready.



Also, I'm not sure the "burn up engine parts" analogy works here since it's the D that gets tired since they can't substitute as frequently as they need.



Also, higher octane doesn't mean higher combustion temperature, just greater autoignition suppression, which could be an interesting analogy of its own, but in a different direction.

Heck, it even worked when Heaps was running it last year but our offense couldn't keep up. I have always loved it because it almost always works. A confident offense is a fast moving offense is an oft-scoring offense.

mizzoucoug wrote:
Heck, it even worked when Heaps was running it last year but our offense couldn't keep up. I have always loved it because it almost always works. A confident offense is a fast moving offense is an oft-scoring offense.

Until they get tired at the end of a long drive and can't finish the job by getting it into the end zone.

Or, until the second half when their bodies can't handle the rigor for a whole game.

I think our defense could keep up this pace better than our offense.

I'm not sure we are in as good of shape as the Oregon ducks.

If we can get there awesome! It's only one game so far.

I like the idea of mixing it up a bit. Come in slow, speed it up, throttle it back a down or two then back on the gas. Keep the D off balance.



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Gunk wrote:
I like the idea of mixing it up a bit. Come in slow, speed it up, throttle it back a down or two then back on the gas. Keep the D off balance.



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I think that mixing it up is a really nice way to tire out the opposing defense. The hurry up always seems to get the D to waste energy running around trying to be where they should be to defend, and changing it up adds to this because they don't know when to try to exert that energy to react to the hurry up. Controlling the pace=off balance D=more games won.

I don't think the Oline can keep it up for a whole game.



Like I said in another thread, they are skinnier now but that doesn't mean that they have more stamina. Your body gets used to having more "in storage" to pull from. I doubt one off season and "hollywood-style dieting" is enough to change the chemical makeup of your body, even if the physical makeup has changed.



The Oline probably gets as worn out now as they did then. It will take at least 2 off seasons of regular nutrition for those big bodies to get used to how fit they are.

BlueIsBetter wrote:
I don't think the Oline can keep it up for a whole game.



Like I said in another thread, they are skinnier now but that doesn't mean that they have more stamina. Your body gets used to having more "in storage" to pull from. I doubt one off season and "hollywood-style dieting" is enough to change the chemical makeup of your body, even if the physical makeup has changed.



The Oline probably gets as worn out now as they did then. It will take at least 2 off seasons of regular nutrition for those big bodies to get used to how fit they are.

This doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If all the online did was diet to lose weight then you may be right, but if they actually have been stepping up their conditioning it should make a huge difference THIS year, we don't have to wait another year. I don't think fat stores make any difference in a three hour game, that's not what they're burning. On a desert island I would take the fat stores, but not in the short term, fat doesn't turnover that quickly so their bodies shouldn't be used to using them during games.

BYULV wrote:

I don't think the Oline can keep it up for a whole game.



Like I said in another thread, they are skinnier now but that doesn't mean that they have more stamina. Your body gets used to having more "in storage" to pull from. I doubt one off season and "hollywood-style dieting" is enough to change the chemical makeup of your body, even if the physical makeup has changed.



The Oline probably gets as worn out now as they did then. It will take at least 2 off seasons of regular nutrition for those big bodies to get used to how fit they are.

This doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If all the online did was diet to lose weight then you may be right, but if they actually have been stepping up their conditioning it should make a huge difference THIS year, we don't have to wait another year. I don't think fat stores make any difference in a three hour game, that's not what they're burning. On a desert island I would take the fat stores, but not in the short term, fat doesn't turnover that quickly so their bodies shouldn't be used to using them during games.

Agreed. They're mostly leaning on the energy stores in their livers and muscles. They will draw from their fat stores as well, but I have yet to see the offensive lineman that even comes close to not having enough fat to cover 3 football games. As long as they stay hydrated and keep some kind of a carb in their stomach (gatorade e.g.) it will definitely be the muscles that go first, then the livers.

Then explain the 3rd and 4th quarters, if they are in shape... ;)



My whole point is that it will take it's toll on them. Especially the ones that didn't do much conditioning, and had to sit out a couple weeks - before they were ousted into the starting lineup because we have no one else with experience.



They aren't in shape. They are skinnier now, but that means nothing. They have been collectively coasting for years now, and one offseason of dieting and hitting some quick weights so your quarterback will stop yelling at you isn't going to change that. Also, some are coming back from injuries, etc. There just aren't enough of them with experience to rotate late in the game, and they are just getting dominated.



But, to be fair, they were getting dominated all game. Not just the 3rd and 4th quarters.

Right. It's why I am asking the question.

But going back. Isn't there three speeds we are taking about?

Regular, hurry up, then nitro. Nitro (not my name, saw it in some article) is the highest, fastest gear. A few times, it was running so fast, that not only did the defense not have time to sub, but BYU offense didn't either. That quick burn--NITRO-- has to have an effect on the bodies of these less than olympically trained Olinemen. it was good in theory and partly executed, but some of you are right, it takes year or two of elite training.

Which says to me, that while it will be effective at times, it is also a bit of a cover up.

And where I was going with this thread and the other thread of "Difficulty getting into the end zone:2011 vs 2012", when we are 1st and 9 (otherwise in the blue zone) the whole Nitro has either run out of gas from a long drive, or isn't run at all and the D with their backs against the wall, stiffen up and then it comes down to toughness and will.

Doman said yesterday in an interview, that this is the key to improving bluezone scoring.

Not saying we have a crisis, just saying that the Oline, while improved, is still the weak link on this team. And this will play itself out as games stay competitively in doubt until the end and as the season wears on.

So, will the Nitro last or will itself, as an offensive scheme, flame out and get scrapped, leaving the hurry up and regular speed only.

Nitro in any context is exciting to watch and tough to defend, but does not come with an unlimited supply and if run too long ruins other parts of the engine/machine/body.

Just a working theory.

WSU had 2 NGs that were studs up the middle: Gautu and Pole. They overwhelmed Hansen and Tushaus. We never did go to a double team. However, we were effective running up the middle. Bronco said as much, we were knowledgeable on assignments - now we need to execute. Look for improvement by UT game or Star will eat out shorts up the middle.



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Doman and Bronco also used the word major improvement needed in tracking (staying with the block) and Doman admitted he blew some play calling in blue zone. Recognizing the problems is a good sign and they will make that a focus this week and beyond.



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As to the original question posed in this thread, will the nitro run out of gas? I think it's inevitable that a fast paced offense like the 'nitro' cannot be implemented in a single year. I don't think most NFL teams could run something that fast. But we can run it for stretches in every game, and very few, if any, defenses can handle that kind of speed, married with execution.

I don't think we can run it every play. Using it in key situations is the way to go. If you have a match up advantage you can use it to not allow the defense to substitute. Also if you are getting killed by blitz packages you can go to it and typically the defense reverts to a based defense when they can't get a defensive play sent in.



One of the things I loved about watching Peyton Manning was seeing him play games with the defense. He got many illegal substitution penalties on the defense when they tried to sub and ended up with 12 men on the field.

byucougar1 wrote:
WSU had 2 NGs that were studs up the middle: Gautu and Pole.



However, we were effective running up the middle.



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Neither of these things are true. The only time we were effective running is when we went outside.



In fact, if you watch the game closely, Alisa gets stuffed up the middle on one (of many) plays, bounces it outside for a couple yards, then proceeds to complain to (I think it was DuPaix) a coach about the Oline blocking.



It wasn't good.

BlueIsBetter wrote:

WSU had 2 NGs that were studs up the middle: Gautu and Pole.



However, we were effective running up the middle.



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Neither of these things are true. The only time we were effective running is when we went outside.



In fact, if you watch the game closely, Alisa gets stuffed up the middle on one (of many) plays, bounces it outside for a couple yards, then proceeds to complain to (I think it was DuPaix) a coach about the Oline blocking.



It wasn't good.

I think we only got one decent run up the middle. Rest were around the edges. Have to agree with Blue, when it comes to running up the middle we stink at it. We had issues with this last season too, which tells me it's an OL problem.

Sorry for the typo - it was supposed to read we couldn't run up the middle and ran the edges. Not sure if Tushaus is the answer as he is light (280) compare to 300+ behemoths which will give him trouble.