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by Mars · 11/11/2009

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Mars
"The bowl system [is] slightly more logical and just than the Salem witch trials. But given the current landscape, this needs to be said: We are on the verge of one of the great test cases for fairness in college football. Let's see if the bowl honchos get it right, or knuckle under...



If undefeated TCU (6) and Boise State (7) win out -- an increasingly likely outcome -- they should both play in BCS bowls (but only one will be guaranteed by rule a spot among the five bowl games that pay the most money and get the most attention).

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&page=dash0911&sportCat=ncf



I know we all think TCU deserves a BCS Bowl bid, and that some of us hate the Broncos for daring to win so often and for thinking they're so good when they do. But if Boise State is undefeated at the end of the year, should they get in a BCS Bowl game as well as the Horned Frogs (say, ahead of a 2-loss USC)?
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Schmoe
USC has proved that they couldn't beat Oregon, Iowa is a joke, etc. etc. etc.
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gmj81
Completely agree. While I do think their SOS leaves something to be desired and should keep them from playing in the title game, they nevertheless did go undefeated and dominated the likely Pac-10 champ.



I hate it when people use the argument, "These non-AQ's couldn't make it through a season in a real conference like ______." Guess what? Neither can 95% of the teams in those conferences! I honestly don't think any team in America could get through three weeks in a row of BYU, Yewtah, and TCU either, save maybe two. So that argument is total crap.



Until somebody has the balls to schedule BSU in the non-conference and knock them on their a$$, they have played by the rules put in place by the BCS power/money hogs and are still one of the top ten teams in the nation and thus deserve one of the ten BCS big money bids. Whatever happened to rewarding the play on the field instead of rewarding the school with the most money already or the school with the largest fanbase?
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Mars


The thought of a SECOND team from the Big Ten (Iowa, Ohio State, Penn State) making a BCS Bowl game this year makes me so angry I could puke blood.
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snoscythe
In all sense of fairness, they SHOULD be in a BCS game. Doesn't mean I don't WANT them to get stiffed again though.
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GolfDiveNCougs
gmj81 wrote:
Whatever happened to rewarding the play on the field instead of rewarding the school with the most money already or the school with the largest fanbase?
Wait, you speak as though this were ever the case... :skeptic:
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blue42
Mars wrote:


The thought of a SECOND team from the Big Ten (Iowa, Ohio State, Penn State) making a BCS Bowl game this year makes me so angry I could puke blood.


I guess the thought of the first Big Ten team making it just makes you puke and a second team makes you puke blood ;)
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SpiffCoug
There are five BCS bowl games. That means ten teams play. This should be the ONLY requirement to play in a BCS bowl: Finish in the Top 10 of the final BCS rankings. No conference affiliation. No conference championship requirement. Simply be rated as one of the ten best teams based on human and computer polls.
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cachevalleycougar
kitic77 wrote:
There are five BCS bowl games. That means ten teams play. This should be the ONLY requirement to play in a BCS bowl: Finish in the Top 10 of the final BCS rankings. No conference affiliation. No conference championship requirement. Simply be rated as one of the ten best teams based on human and computer polls.

But that makes too much sense, and would mean that in most years, the Big East and ACC would be kept out. That's just not fair! They're eastern conferences!

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cachevalleycougar
Over the last year or two, I've taken the stance that if the BCS bigwigs think that teams like BSU, Hawaii, BYU, TCU, Utah, ECU, Houston, etc. don't deserve to play in a BCS bowl game, then they should schedule us as much as possible to beat us during the regular season to keep us out.

Look at BYU's upcoming schedule over the next 5 years. BCS schools don't seem willing to schedule us, so if we have a year where we go undefeated with OOC wins over USU, Tulsa, Nevada and Central Southern Iowa Polytechnic, they'd want to keep us out. WELL THEN PLAY US AND BEAT US TO KEEP US OUT, otherwise SHUT YOUR MOUTH and watch us from the comfort of your home with your big screen TV after beating yourselves up in your "power conferences" while we win out.
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Cougy_Monster
I don't like the donkeys, but I'd rather see them in a BcS game than any other BcS team in the country.



How very sad.



The big televen makes me puke blood spontaneously, without regard to bcs affiliation or post-season bowls.
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Mars
kitic77 wrote:
There are five BCS bowl games. That means ten teams play. This should be the ONLY requirement to play in a BCS bowl: Finish in the Top 10 of the final BCS rankings. No conference affiliation. No conference championship requirement. Simply be rated as one of the ten best teams based on human and computer polls.

I don't like the idea of more than 2 teams from the same conference playing. Some years some conferences are vastly overrated, like the year people wanted an Ohio State-Michigan national championship game.
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cachevalleycougar
As of right now that would mean the following:



1 Florida 9-0

2 Alabama 9-0

3 Texas 9-0

4 TCU 9-0

5 Cincinnati 9-0

6 Boise State 9-0

7 Georgia Tech 9-1

8 LSU 7-2

9 USC 7-2

10 Iowa 9-1



Aside from 3 SEC teams, you'd have one each from the Big12, MWC, WAC, Big East, ACC, Pac10 and Big10. A pretty good breakdown. Replace LSU with (heaven forbid) Ohio State (11, but will probably beat Iowa and take their spot) or Pitt (12), and you'd have a good representation from a number of different conferences. (again, how is it that USC is ahead of Oregon?!?)
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Mars
cachevalleycougar wrote:
(again, how is it that USC is ahead of Oregon?!?)
It would be pretty ugly to see a 2-loss team with 2 conference losses get in ahead of a 2-loss team with 1 conference loss from the same conference who beat them head-to-head. EXTREMELY ugly.



Not to mention LSU. :sick:

If Crowton is still their OC, he's not earning his cheddar this year...
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gmj81
GolfDiveNCougs wrote:
Whatever happened to rewarding the play on the field instead of rewarding the school with the most money already or the school with the largest fanbase?
Wait, you speak as though this were ever the case... :skeptic:


Actually, yeah, I considered that but decided to type it anyway since that's what should happen even if it's never happened before in major college football.
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BYUNLVFAN
The real problem is that even if they do let both teams in you KNOW they will put them against each other so they ensure that both teams don't win a BCS game. That would be a travesty for them.
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gmj81
It really wouldn't surprise me. But again, it would be pretty hard for them to do so and avoid such transparency. I mean, if money is the driving force behind this like we all know it is, then it would seem they would want to spread the "dearth of following and ratings" around so one bowl doesn't take all the hit. I mean, just the way the picks go, it would be almost impossible for one bowl to get stuck with both teams. In fact, for one bowl to get stuck like that it certainly would take some very shady behind-the-scenes dealings of the other bowls sharing their revenue with the bowl that took the hit for the "greater good". The possibility of having two non-AQ teams knock off the powers-that-be is just too big of a risk to the system and the way its run. But is it more risky than being so transparent and providing the public and Congress with such overwhelming evidence that they are desperate to try and hang on to what they've got.
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Mars
BYUNLVFAN wrote:
The real problem is that even if they do let both teams in you KNOW they will put them against each other so they ensure that both teams don't win a BCS game. That would be a travesty for them.
Doubly so as a rematch of last year's bowl game. At least one of them would be assured a win though!



Sugar and Orange are possibilities, but I could see them both playing against each other in the Fiesta Bowl. Texas goes to the National Championship game, and who will they replace them with, Oklahoma State? I don't think so.
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CougarClaw
I"m not a BS(U) fan by any stretch, but nor am I a BC$ fan. Which do I want to fall if their mutual destruction cannot be assured?
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UVACoug
Should they get in? Yes



Will they get in? Maybe, but I think there is a good chance they won't



Will I laugh when they get snubbed again? Absolutely, then we can play them in San Diego in December and teach them about strength of schedule.
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