If PSU Had Any Guts

They would do the following:

1. Take down Paterno's statue

2. Work with the NCAA to provide penalty free transfers for all football players. Any that want to stay at PSU would have their full scholarships honored for academics

3. Pay all coaches their full contract

4. Shut down the football program for four years



But they don't so the NCAA needs to do it. Not sure they have the guts either.

northerncougar wrote:
They would do the following:

1. Take down Paterno's statue

2. Work with the NCAA to provide penalty free transfers for all football players. Any that want to stay at PSU would have their full scholarships honored for academics

3. Pay all coaches their full contract

4. Shut down the football program for four years



But they don't so the NCAA needs to do it. Not sure they have the guts either.

1. If Freeh's report holds up



Sure - take down the statue. Set players free if they want to transfer. Some of the coaches may be culpable. Coaches are always free to leave and could leave if any good.



Shutting down the program should be a University Decision - not an NCAA decision. Unless there is an actual NCAA rule violation.



It is really up to the Fans. If you are a fan and your school does not do the right thing - do not buy the bling and do not go to the games or watch them on TV.



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PS - The ensuing lawsuits are going to cost Penn State a hundred million dollars or so.



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Cougarbib2 wrote:

They would do the following:

1. Take down Paterno's statue

2. Work with the NCAA to provide penalty free transfers for all football players. Any that want to stay at PSU would have their full scholarships honored for academics

3. Pay all coaches their full contract

4. Shut down the football program for four years



But they don't so the NCAA needs to do it. Not sure they have the guts either.

1. If Freeh's report holds up



Sure - take down the statue. Set players free if they want to transfer. Some of the coaches may be culpable. Coaches are always free to leave and could leave if any good.



Shutting down the program should be a University Decision - not an NCAA decision. Unless there is an actual NCAA rule violation.



It is really up to the Fans. If you are a fan and your school does not do the right thing - do not buy the bling and do not go to the games or watch them on TV.



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You're a smart buy Bib but saying that it must be an NCAA violation is pretty dumb. You can't possibly be serious. Saying that the NCAA shouldn't step in to protect children because there is no rule against molesting young boys is unconscionable. I'm sure that you can't be saying that.



The NCAA can use Lack of Institutional Control to shut this down. If that isn't covered under that rule, nothing is.



Fan's have no say in this whatsoever. Fan's generally can't think rationally when it comes to the program that they support. They can vote with their wallets, but should have no say either way on what happens here. None.

Cougarbib2 wrote:
PS - The ensuing lawsuits are going to cost Penn State a hundred million dollars or so.



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I think that covers last month's donations. i believe they set their second highest fund-raising record last month.

I don't know if they need to shut down their football program, but maybe reduce the number of scholarships by 45 for the next 13 years.



45 being the number of counts on which Jerry Sandusky was found guilty and 13 being the number of years Penn State covered up his crimes.



Also that locker room needs to be torn down immediately.

SpiffCoug wrote:
I don't know if they need to shut down their football program, but maybe reduce the number of scholarships by 45 for the next 13 years.



45 being the number of counts on which Jerry Sandusky was found guilty and 13 being the number of years Penn State covered up his crimes.



Also that locker room needs to be torn down immediately.

Best idea yet.

Should the IRS go after people who get speeding tickets? How about having the FCC pursue people who listen to loud music in their homes. Sorry, but the NCAA Bylaws were not established to deal with criminal matters or civil lawsuits that have zero to dow with 1)student-athelete eligibility, 2)game day fairness on field of play, or 3)impermissible benefits to amateur athletes.



This one is for the courts. NCAA does not have jurisdiction on this and death penalty simply will not happen. Nor should it. What should happen is that those who were in position to act and did not should be faced with 1)civil lawsuits, and 2) potential criminal lawsuits for conspiracy to conceal a crime.



I am not for overreach by any body set to govern. Whether NCAA or otherwise.

I would love if the families sued Penn State in civil court and they had a good judge that believes in alternative punishments that would force the program to drop the program for 13 years.

Lawboy wrote:
Should the IRS go after people who get speeding tickets? How about having the FCC pursue people who listen to loud music in their homes. Sorry, but the NCAA Bylaws were not established to deal with criminal matters or civil lawsuits that have zero to dow with 1)student-athelete eligibility, 2)game day fairness on field of play, or 3)impermissible benefits to amateur athletes.



This one is for the courts. NCAA does not have jurisdiction on this and death penalty simply will not happen. Nor should it. What should happen is that those who were in position to act and did not should be faced with 1)civil lawsuits, and 2) potential criminal lawsuits for conspiracy to conceal a crime.



I am not for overreach by any body set to govern. Whether NCAA or otherwise.

My thoughts exactly.

hawkwing wrote:
I would love if the families sued Penn State in civil court and they had a good judge that believes in alternative punishments that would force the program to drop the program for 13 years.

That result could never be reached in a civil court. Its purpose is to "make whole" in theory, which usually means $$$ and $$$ only.

If we have learned anything $$$ speak louder than anything. Big 10 or Network actions, Fans closing their wallets, and hundreds of millions in lawsuits with punitive damages for negligence and cover-up conspiracy will speak loudly. Especially fans. The fans need to quit donating to the university in any capacity until they are happy with how athletics deals with this - assuming the report stands.



The NCAA - should allow transfers without penalty.



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Lawboy wrote:

I would love if the families sued Penn State in civil court and they had a good judge that believes in alternative punishments that would force the program to drop the program for 13 years.

That result could never be reached in a civil court. Its purpose is to "make whole" in theory, which usually means $$$ and $$$ only.

That's too bad. Could a criminal court order that? Would it be possible for Penn State to be brought up on criminal charges?

I would think that an NCAA coach at an NCAA school molesting children in the football locker room would be a violation of some NCAA policy.

Schmoe wrote:
I would think that an NCAA coach at an NCAA school molesting children in the football locker room would be a violation of some NCAA policy.

Ding, ding ding we have a winner!!

northerncougar wrote:

I would think that an NCAA coach at an NCAA school molesting children in the football locker room would be a violation of some NCAA policy.

Ding, ding ding we have a winner!!

REally? Which violation is that? Sounds like a criminal act to me. If an NCAA coach murdered someone in the football locker room of an NCAA school would that school be in violation of the NCAA?

Schmoe wrote:
I would think that an NCAA coach at an NCAA school molesting children in the football locker room would be a violation of some NCAA policy.

So if employees of your healthcare company do something illegal, should the government take away your healthcare, or should the police just prosecute in court. If someone at your local Wendy's does something illegal, should the government shut down that franchise or should the police prosecute the criminal in court?



Sandusky is a monster and deserves to be prosecuted in court but the football program at PSU (even if they knowingly covered his actions up) cannot be held liable for the actions of a criminal. He was prosecuted in court. Now if civil court finds the PSU program finanially liable for covering it up, then they will have to pay. The NCAA needs to keep their noses out of it, that is a slippery slope to get on.

hawkwing wrote:

hawkwing wrote:
I would love if the families sued Penn State in civil court and they had a good judge that believes in alternative punishments that would force the program to drop the program for 13 years.

That result could never be reached in a civil court. Its purpose is to "make whole" in theory, which usually means $$$ and $$$ only.

That's too bad. Could a criminal court order that? Would it be possible for Penn State to be brought up on criminal charges?

Wouldn't conspiring to conceal evidence be a criminal charge? This is the way you would attack PSU. Through the legal system, not through NCAA violations.

BroncoBot wrote:

Schmoe wrote:
I would think that an NCAA coach at an NCAA school molesting children in the football locker room would be a violation of some NCAA policy.

Ding, ding ding we have a winner!!

REally? Which violation is that? Sounds like a criminal act to me. If an NCAA coach murdered someone in the football locker room of an NCAA school would that school be in violation of the NCAA?

If the school covered up the murder and kept the coach employed, it SHOULD violate some NCAA rule. Shouldn't what's ILLEGAL in the eyes of the law also be ILLEGAL in the eyes of the NCAA?

frdbtr wrote:

I would think that an NCAA coach at an NCAA school molesting children in the football locker room would be a violation of some NCAA policy.

So if employees of your healthcare company do something illegal, should the government take away your healthcare, or should the police just prosecute in court. If someone at your local Wendy's does something illegal, should the government shut down that franchise or should the police prosecute the criminal in court?

If the healthcare company covers it up, then the company should be held responsible as well (and I would find another company to cover me). If Wendy's covers it up, then they should be held responsible (and I will find another place to get a burger).