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BYU Football Has Slipped

by Cougarbib · 6/21/2012

Cougarbib

6/21/2012, 4:16:38 AM

BYU Football Has Slipped. These words were uttered to me last week by my BYU fanatic son. I told him that I do not agree. His enthusiasm and optimism for BYU football has slipped. Probably true for BYU fans generally. That is what has slipped.

BYU Football has not slipped. It has actually risen a bit due to Independence. But, reality has set in. And, more importantly, U, BSU, TCU, and even SDSU and other football programs have risen more than BYU has risen, so relative positioning has slipped.

Not too long ago, BYU was well above U, TCU, BSU, and SDSU. Some would argue that at least two of those have risen above BYU, if not three, and SDSU has narrowed the gap. Even USU has narrowed the gap a little.

Rise Up - we did. Maybe not enough.

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scott715

6/21/2012, 4:25:13 AM

Alot of the exciting sideshows are gone. No more conference races, MWC push for BCS status and the rival game is going away. Yes things are moving towards boring.

BigCougsFan

6/21/2012, 4:58:56 AM

Amen. Zzzzzzz.....

byucougar1

6/21/2012, 5:35:07 AM

Yeah, they sure have slipped according to this year's recruiting class - all who cite being on ESPN and BYUtv as significant reason they want to play - chance to be seen by large TV audience. As an out of stater, I really enjoy current arrangement as I have seen them more times last year than the last combined 6 years.

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Ddawg

6/21/2012, 6:14:43 AM

By the end of the 2012 Football season we will definitely be able to assess, and determine the status of BYU Football. We shall see, what we shall see.

Cougs_Rule

6/21/2012, 11:57:40 AM

Sometimes "good is the enemy of great"-- Jim Collins.

If every variable of the program is measured and graded by Board of Directors, this program is great. If measured by fans, it is probably only good. Good all around. Good coaches, good season records usually year over year; good recruits; maybe great tv coverage--now if we could just get the stinkin satellite company to feed in HD--jerks!!!

Point is, this program is doing GOOD. It needs a great season to not lose more ground and overcome the gap that is an active force with independence. Ten again, there is always a give away when saints of any age have turned and walked from Babylon. And oh how we long for BCS inclusion.

Guest

6/21/2012, 3:41:47 PM

To be fair, your son likes the layout of CougarBoard, so clearly he lacks any good taste or sense.

Gunk

6/21/2012, 10:36:18 PM

No conference race; lackluster bowl opportunities; nothing to play for after one loss; no rivalries; all the while our closest competitors seem to move on to bigger things...even SDSU.

Throw in the fact BYU football over promised and under delivered the last 3 seasons and yes, I would say fans' love affair with BYU football has slipped.

We do get to watch them on TV a lot, though...

Ddawg

6/22/2012, 4:32:23 AM

I'm looking at the recruits we have been getting recently. I don't think BYU football has slipped. What I think happened, the entire Jake Heaps episode raised expectations to such a level. That when reality set in, Jake transferred, and everyone realized the Jake Heaps experience was a huge bust. What a disappointment. But the entire Cougar football program slipping? I don't think so.

byucougar1

6/22/2012, 5:38:46 AM

+1 - BYU has shown, if anything, it is not comfortable with status quo. Independence, hiring new coaching staff, re-tooling offense, defense and recruiting emphasis on players that fit well into the system Bronco, Doman, et.al. employ. Note the number of Polys in this recruiting class.

As promised this years recruiting class is very, very good and may end up being the best BYU has had during Bronco's tenure. Maybe not according to Scout, but if you watch how these recruits play and perform at the camps, they all are outstanding in their athletic abilities and desire to improve in all facets of their life - quality individuals - quality representatives - quality players. Bronco and Doman will be able to raise the level of performance when bringing in these type of players. Slipped - not hardly.

BTW 3 years ago we beat UT, and literally spanked an OSU team that gave rose bowl OR all they could handle. It took 2 years to realize and change the makeup of the team and purge some of the elements that were not creating a unified group. Not an easy thing to do and certainly a bit slower than we like, but nevertheless, eventually the right moves were made.

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Ddawg

6/22/2012, 5:30:52 PM

byucougar1 wrote:

Note the number of Polys in this recruiting class.

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+1 on your entire post. I am pleasantly shocked and excited about this recruiting class. The depth and quality of this class is impressive. And, the number and quality of Poly recruits? Bam!

Bronco has made staff adjustments that are paying dividends now in recruiting. In no way is the Coug football program sleeping, slipping, or diminishing. It is reloading and gearing up with serious weapons. The future looks good.

Lawboy

6/22/2012, 5:51:53 PM

I think it is absolutely clear that BYU Football is in a massive transitional phase. And that means great uncertainty, but it also could lead to greater opportunity. Bronco is showing he is willing to change--again. He is very smart. Smarter than he gets credit for being.

As to the uncertainty, that one is simple. It all comes down to scheduling. BYU had a conference to rely on for 8 games per year, and we knew who those games were from year to year. Now, the future schedules have huge holes in them. Add to it that there is no longer a conference title to play for, which is a form or program and fan validation, and that takes something away that fans are used to having. It is an odd feeling to be honest. The 10-3 last year felt different that the 10-3 in 2008, that is for sure.

The other ways that the program are in flux relate to aspects of the program itself. In many ways, 2011 was a tough one. But it also allowed Bronco and staff to learn some tough lessons, and I am not even talking about the QB situation. I am talking about the training programs. Taekwondodave has been outspoken on this one for YEARS, and BYU finally made MASSIVE changes with its strength training and nutritional programs. Coach Omer is being phased out through admin, and BYU is having younger guys get trained by API right now. BYU is working on athlete performance, with drastic off season changes to workouts, nutrition, positional training. The Matt Reynolds issue was a slap int he face and huge indictment. Seeing T Brown do what he did, and seeing other past players do similar things has told a story for years. BYU players do not simply tweak things when they leave--they made DRASTIC changes to prep. DRASTIC. BYU has paid big $$$ to let API reshape the S&C&N program and to train its staff. Read about API here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athletes%27_Performance_Institute" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.athletesperformance.com/programs/sport/collegiate/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

By the way, if you don;t think these changes will help with game day performance, cutting down on training injuries and with recruiting--think again.

BYU just needs to go wins some games now.

Ddawg

6/23/2012, 6:14:11 PM

Lawboy wrote:

By the way, if you don;t think these changes will help with game day performance, cutting down on training injuries and with recruiting--think again.

And ...... who is saying that improving strength and conditioning for the Cougar athletes is not a good thing?

Mars

6/24/2012, 1:44:22 AM

In general, BYU fans complain much more than they should. But is it true that Bronco's highest scoring offense was way back in 2005?

EDIT: 2006. Almost as bad. 6 years with no improvement?

Dwight

6/24/2012, 2:43:48 AM

Lawboy wrote:
I think it is absolutely clear that BYU Football is in a massive transitional phase. And that means great uncertainty, but it also could lead to greater opportunity. Bronco is showing he is willing to change--again. He is very smart. Smarter than he gets credit for being.

As to the uncertainty, that one is simple. It all comes down to scheduling. BYU had a conference to rely on for 8 games per year, and we knew who those games were from year to year. Now, the future schedules have huge holes in them. Add to it that there is no longer a conference title to play for, which is a form or program and fan validation, and that takes something away that fans are used to having. It is an odd feeling to be honest. The 10-3 last year felt different that the 10-3 in 2008, that is for sure.

The other ways that the program are in flux relate to aspects of the program itself. In many ways, 2011 was a tough one. But it also allowed Bronco and staff to learn some tough lessons, and I am not even talking about the QB situation. I am talking about the training programs. Taekwondodave has been outspoken on this one for YEARS, and BYU finally made MASSIVE changes with its strength training and nutritional programs. Coach Omer is being phased out through admin, and BYU is having younger guys get trained by API right now. BYU is working on athlete performance, with drastic off season changes to workouts, nutrition, positional training. The Matt Reynolds issue was a slap int he face and huge indictment. Seeing T Brown do what he did, and seeing other past players do similar things has told a story for years. BYU players do not simply tweak things when they leave--they made DRASTIC changes to prep. DRASTIC. BYU has paid big $$$ to let API reshape the S&C&N program and to train its staff. Read about API here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athletes%27_Performance_Institute" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.athletesperformance.com/programs/sport/collegiate/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

By the way, if you don;t think these changes will help with game day performance, cutting down on training injuries and with recruiting--think again.

BYU just needs to go wins some games now.

I checked API out. Pretty sweet stuff. I'm convinced that should make a big difference, especially with returning missionaries. My only question is if we get to see before and after pictures of Riley Nelson's abs? :lol:

Ygridiron4ever

6/24/2012, 11:59:57 AM

Lawboy wrote:
?.... BYU has paid big $$$ to let API reshape the S&C&N program and to train its staff......

Sorry to be out of the loop; is there a thread here on CC, or any link to a site, where I can read more about BYU's arrangement with API? Like, what do you mean when you say "big $$$," and how are they actually reshaping our program? It sounds great...... I want to know more.

SpiffCoug

6/24/2012, 1:09:48 PM

Mars wrote:

In general, BYU fans complain much more than they should. But is it true that Bronco's highest scoring offense was way back in 2005?

No, it's not true.

2006: 37.0

2009: 35.5

2008: 34.2

2005: 33.0

2011: 30.1 (36.0 post-UCF game)

2007: 30.1

2010: 26.2

Mars

6/25/2012, 4:11:09 AM

Ygridiron4ever wrote:

?... BYU has paid big $$$ to let API reshape the S&C&N program and to train its staff...
Sorry to be out of the loop; is there a thread here on CC, or any link to a site, where I can read more about BYU's arrangement with API? Like, what do you mean when you say "big $$$," and how are they actually reshaping our program? It sounds great... I want to know more.

IE, BYU has replaced their 30-year old training program with a 10-year outdated program. Progress!! ;)

Cougarbib

6/25/2012, 1:45:53 PM

SpiffCoug wrote:

In general, BYU fans complain much more than they should. But is it true that Bronco's highest scoring offense was way back in 2005?

No, it's not true.

2006: 37.0

2009: 35.5

2008: 34.2

2005: 33.0

2011: 30.1 (36.0 post-UCF game)

2007: 30.1

2010: 26.2

Not to open an old wound - so 2010 was by far the worst average in that stretch and early 2011 was lower than late 2011. Strength of schedule in early 2011 may explain part of that, but.....

This data is getting me excited to see if we can get back to 35+ points per game - and SOS early will again be a factor - hopefully less so than 2011 even though the early schedule is tougher.

If BYU averages 35 points in 2012 - Color Me Happy

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Gunk

6/25/2012, 5:07:26 PM

Cougarbib2 wrote:
Mars wrote:

In general, BYU fans complain much more than they should. But is it true that Bronco's highest scoring offense was way back in 2005?

No, it's not true.

2006: 37.0

2009: 35.5

2008: 34.2

2005: 33.0

2011: 30.1 (36.0 post-UCF game)

2007: 30.1

2010: 26.2

Not to open an old wound - so 2010 was by far the worst average in that stretch and early 2011 was lower than late 2011. Strength of schedule in early 2011 may explain part of that, but.....

This data is getting me excited to see if we can get back to 35+ points per game - and SOS early will again be a factor - hopefully less so than 2011 even though the early schedule is tougher.

If BYU averages 35 points in 2012 - Color Me Happy

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Would be nice, but to do that not only will the O have to be firing but Bronco will have to let Doman run the score up on some of the pancakes.

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