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Key to success

by cscoug · 5/7/2012

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cscoug
It is difficult to distill football down to one aspect of the game or variable, but I would like to focus on one point: the running game. Specifically, our ability to run and our ability to stop our opponents rushing attack.



Consider a few stats from last year:



1. We had 0 (zero!) individual 100-yard rushing performances. That alone is enough to make all of the arguments about the O-line under-performing valid. Certainly, this will be a point of emphasis for change this year. (O-line conditioning program...)



2. In our losses to Texas and Utah, we had 43 and 11 yards rushing, respectively. Those are game totals, folks. We can't win like that, and we didn't. Even against TCU, we managed 139 yards. But consider we averaged 249 yards rushing the previous 4 games and 194.3 the subsequent 3 games. We gave up 136 yards rushing to TCU, so it was a wash. We did lose the turnover battle 3-0. (A separate argument, I realize.)



3. In week 5, we emphasized the running game and Riley took over as starter. This totally changed our red zone scoring. In weeks 1-4, we had 11 RZ opportunities, and 3 TDs = 27%. For the rest of the year, we had 43 RZ opportunities, and 30 TDs = 70%. Any wonder the coaches wanted to keep Riley in there. With no 100-yard backs, he very much affected the running game. (This is not intended to be a Heaps vs Riley argument. I wish we had Jake next year very much.)



Anyway, we have to run the ball, and we have to get better production from the O-line to do it. If Riley can make progress as a passer, and we make these improvements, I think we might have a surprisingly good year.
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CougarClaw
insert lame joke about another key to success involves scoring more than the opponent.
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Guest
CougarClaw wrote:
insert lame joke about another key to success involves scoring more than the opponent.


Respond with polite laughter.
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SpiffCoug
<golf clap>
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Y12
cscoug wrote:
It is difficult to distill football down to one aspect of the game or variable, but I would like to focus on one point: the running game. Specifically, our ability to run and our ability to stop our opponents rushing attack.



Consider a few stats from last year:



1. We had 0 (zero!) individual 100-yard rushing performances. That alone is enough to make all of the arguments about the O-line under-performing valid. Certainly, this will be a point of emphasis for change this year. (O-line conditioning program...)



2. In our losses to Texas and Utah, we had 43 and 11 yards rushing, respectively. Those are game totals, folks. We can't win like that, and we didn't. Even against TCU, we managed 139 yards. But consider we averaged 249 yards rushing the previous 4 games and 194.3 the subsequent 3 games. We gave up 136 yards rushing to TCU, so it was a wash. We did lose the turnover battle 3-0. (A separate argument, I realize.)



3. In week 5, we emphasized the running game and Riley took over as starter. This totally changed our red zone scoring. In weeks 1-4, we had 11 RZ opportunities, and 3 TDs = 27%. For the rest of the year, we had 43 RZ opportunities, and 30 TDs = 70%. Any wonder the coaches wanted to keep Riley in there. With no 100-yard backs, he very much affected the running game. (This is not intended to be a Heaps vs Riley argument. I wish we had Jake next year very much.)



Anyway, we have to run the ball, and we have to get better production from the O-line to do it. If Riley can make progress as a passer, and we make these improvements, I think we might have a surprisingly good year.


I disagree.



I posted some stuff about it during the season. BYU has had several wins against ranked teams rushing in the ball park of 43 and 11 yards.



The difference was the passing game was well polished. To be successful you don't have to be great at both passing and running, but you have to be good at one.



If Heaps had the passing game clicking the way it has in years gone by, then Texas would have been a win. Utah very well could have as well.



Heaps couldn't convert 3rd downs and keep drives alive. That is all BYU needed against Texas was a couple of third down conversions in the second half. The real turning point of the Utah game was when BYU couldn't convert a third down near the end of the first half, with a 10-7 lead. Utah gets the ball back, runs a 2-min drill and takes a 14-10 lead and the momentum. If Heaps converts some 3rd down throws, BYU at least runs out the clock and at best adds another score.



BYU didn't start emphasizing the run when Riley took over, it started after the Utah game. BYU emphasized the run against UCF (133 yards, I think), and look where it got BYU. Two huge special teams plays saved the day (Hoffman KO return, and recovering the muffed punt). Special teams also set up BYU's third TD that night.



Heaps was still playing poorly against UCF, so even with a solid-to-good run game, BYU had to have 2 defensive stands in the 4th quarter to win the game.



The Utah State game the emphasis on the run continued, and look where it got BYU before Riley entered. The run game wasn't enough to overcome a bad passing day. In the end, Riley's great passing night won the game.



I am not saying BYU should neglect the run, but if I have to pick priorities, I say perfect the pass first, then take care of the run.



If BYU is going to have success, or win the big games, it will take a good passing game.
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Wickchad
Our O-line may not have been very good last year, but our running backs weren't very good either. Who was our feature back? No one. None of them performed well enough to take over the job to give them a chance to reach 1,000 yards. Other than the really crappy teams on our schedule, there probably weren't many teams that we played where our best running back could have been a starter for the opposing team.
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Brayden Green
You know what they say... If you can't stop the run, you don't ever have to worry about stopping the pass.



SEE: The 3rd and 4th quarters of the Utah game, when the defense quit. Why pass it when you are averaging 13+ yards a carry.





The whole problem wasn't running. It was the Oline itself. They couldn't run block or pass block worth a Canadian penny.
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Lawboy
I agree with this post 100%. This is not LaVells BYU team, where defenses were built to stop the run first and lacked speed. You can not play pass onlY and win. Ask Houston and Okie State. You have to have an effective running game. Not dominant, but effective. 43 yards will never do it in today's passing game, where it is about efficiency above all. Even BSU could run it against the of boys when they needed to.
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cscoug
I disagree.



I posted some stuff about it during the season. BYU has had several wins against ranked teams rushing in the ball park of 43 and 11 yards.



The difference was the passing game was well polished. To be successful you don't have to be great at both passing and running, but you have to be good at one.



If Heaps had the passing game clicking the way it has in years gone by, then Texas would have been a win. Utah very well could have as well.



Heaps couldn't convert 3rd downs and keep drives alive. That is all BYU needed against Texas was a couple of third down conversions in the second half. The real turning point of the Utah game was when BYU couldn't convert a third down near the end of the first half, with a 10-7 lead. Utah gets the ball back, runs a 2-min drill and takes a 14-10 lead and the momentum. If Heaps converts some 3rd down throws, BYU at least runs out the clock and at best adds another score.



BYU didn't start emphasizing the run when Riley took over, it started after the Utah game. BYU emphasized the run against UCF (133 yards, I think), and look where it got BYU. Two huge special teams plays saved the day (Hoffman KO return, and recovering the muffed punt). Special teams also set up BYU's third TD that night.



Heaps was still playing poorly against UCF, so even with a solid-to-good run game, BYU had to have 2 defensive stands in the 4th quarter to win the game.



The Utah State game the emphasis on the run continued, and look where it got BYU before Riley entered. The run game wasn't enough to overcome a bad passing day. In the end, Riley's great passing night won the game.



I am not saying BYU should neglect the run, but if I have to pick priorities, I say perfect the pass first, then take care of the run.



If BYU is going to have success, or win the big games, it will take a good passing game.


I believe that our 3rd down conversion rate before we emphasized the run was abysmal, particularly on 3rd and short. That's because we couldn't run, and we knew it. We were still passing on most 3rd and short situations.



When Riley started converting them with his legs and we emphasized the run game, our 3rd down conversion rate improved dramatically. We finished the year at 51% conversion rate, good for #5 nationally. In our first 4 games, we converted 38%. That's a run game failure and the single biggest reason we struggled--we could not sustain drives to score or keep the other team off the field. And this put even more pressure on our defense. Ole Miss and Texas were the prototypical games of this.
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Brayden Green
When Riley started playing, we were playing super-patsies. We had terrible non-qb running, passing, and 3rd down efficiency against any team with a winning record after he started playing.



Riley doesn't have anything to do with most of that. He had a terrible Oline, as did Heaps for the start of the year. It all starts there.
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SpiffCoug
The only game BYU had poor 3rd down efficiency with Riley at the helm was Tulsa.

Here is BYU's 3rd down with Riley:

USU: 53.3

SJSU: 72.7

OSU: 78.6

IdSt: 60.0

TCU: 53.3

Hawaii: 50.0

Tulsa: 38.1



"Big games" Bronco has won and the rushing totals in those games (big games are wins against teams that won 8 or more games) and our PER those games:

Tulsa 2011: 94 yards on 40 carries 2.4 ypc

San Diego St 2010: 271 yards on 62 carries 4.4 ypc

Oklahoma 2009: 28 yards on 33 carries 0.8 ypc

Air Force 2009: 121 yards on 25 carries 4.8 ypc

Utah 2009: 131 yards on 36 carries 3.6 ypc

Oregon St 2009: 116 yards on 35 carries 3.3 ypc

Air Force 2008: 126 yards on 35 carries 3.6 ypc

Air Force 2007: 159 yards on 44 carries 3.6 ypc

New Mexico 2007: 112 yards on 43 carries 2.6 ypc

TCU 2007: 112 yards on 34 carries 3.3 ypc

Utah 2007: 155 yards on 33 csarries 4.7 ypc

Tulsa 2006: 227 yards on 42 carries 5.4 ypc

TCU 2006: 72 yards on 34 carries 2.1 ypc

Utah 2006: 54 yards on 24 carries 2.3 ypc
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Cougarbib
Terrible, simply terrible TIC TIC



I would say mediocre, at worst, or more accurately, uninspiring, is a more accurate description. You do not play teams like Texas, TCU, and even Utah 1st half with a chance to win, with a TERRIBLE, offensive line. We had Terrible QB play vs Texas and Utah. We had a defensive meltdown on top of that Vs Utah. We had a Special Teams meltdown in the kicking game and a QB who melted down trying to dig out of that hole Vs TCU.



I think we beat everyone else.



An inspiring OL performance in every game would have made a difference, I do not disagree with that. It would have resulted in a win at Texas, if we ran behind it. I just do not know if it would have been enough Vs Utah and TCU given Heaps meltdown vs Utah and Punter meltdown Vs TCU.



BTW - the OL isn't exactly expected to be better this year - so buckle up for a tough ride because the schedule is tougher.



If Riley Nelson gets injured early - like 2010 - this will be the most painful season most of you are old enough to remember.



Unless it isn't. Maybe Lark and some of the new faces on offense will be pleasant surprises instead of being disappointments. Doman should be better prepared from week 1.



We are still undefeated.



Go Cougs



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Cougarbib
Mods



My iPhone apparently went nuts. Please delete two of this triplicate post.



I don't want Blue is Better to think I actually tried to be this obnoxious.



Best Regards and Warm Aloha



The Bibster



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scott715
I thought it was just a cyber echo.



PS It is a call to reorganize the church of the undefeated?
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Mars
Wickchad84087 wrote:
Our O-line may not have been very good last year, but our running backs weren't very good either. Who was our feature back?

JJ. And he gone.
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Gunk
Season hinges on the OL. They come into Fall camp 20lbs lighter and a bit faster it may not be as bad.



Riley can only do so much.



Good news is Riley has more experience as does our WR corp. He has better weapons to throw to with Hoffman, Apo and Falslev. TE is still a question mark. Hopefully Doman's two back set will yield positive results as well. My guess is one of the reasons Doman went to the two back set is to give Riley a bit more protection back there as the OL is full of holes.



Doman also has a full year under his belt. No QB drama to deal with and a QB that doesn't need his hand held.



It all rests on the OL.
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Guest
Nothing is bigger than the fact that we will finally have a starting QB with all the practice reps with the team he will be playing with. BYU doesn't have the individual athletes to go out and beat the big boys in a one on one athletic matchup, we need to play team ball and there's only one way to play team ball, practice as a team.
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jonnylingo
I am really hopeful that riley improves having had starters reps all through this off season. I think he will. whether the team will be ready, we will have to wait and see. riley didn't sound like he thought his teamates had put in the work necessary to be ready for spring ball. hope he can get them to pull their heads out coming into fall. riley is definitely a good leader.
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Lawboy
Hard to know on spring ball though because so many players sat out with recovery issues. 8 Olineman were out, then Tushaus went down too. 9 Olineman with injury issues. Plus, all those TEs were still out. And they limited Pritchard as well. That is alot of contributing bodies that were out for legit reasons.



Add to it that on the Dline, Dulan not quite there yet, and the fact that KVN and Tree both were out, Kav was given limited reps, and just hard to judge. Only the secondary had limited players out--just Hadley.



No positional group was unaffected by surgery recovery for spring ball. Fall ball will be a whole new ball game with all the bodies BYU gets back. So let's hope they come physically ready.
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KingCoug
I believe these are the 4 "keys" to winning Bronco has mentioned before:





1. Score over 24 pts and/or keep opponent below 24 pts

2. Rush over 100 yds and/or keep opponent below 100 yds rushing

3. Win turnover margin

4. Win field position battle
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